Who is Jesus Christ in this verse and why they call him The Everlasting Father?

[homwardbound]

Respectfully, I don’t affirm theology just because it sounds spiritual. I test everything by the Word of God. Isaiah 9:6 isn't a soft comfort verse — it's a declaration of Christ’s eternal authority. Any response that reduces the Trinity to math, flirts with panentheism, or turns creation into a “quadity” isn't insight. It’s confusion. The true maturity we need is to love God enough to discern, correct, and uphold truth — even when it offends. Because false unity without truth is just a wide road to destruction.

Thanks, I see to discern between God and myself. To not, think I know or how to know, even if know. thanks to God only, in the trinity as Won One for me and all others also. I thank you to discern to me to not give any credit to the first born flesh at all, in me or others as well as Paul describes in Phil 3, about letting go of any self-righteousness much depth there. Thank you for the reminder to remain free in God Father and Son, given the Spirit of Truth for us all to g et led new, over physical pleading and getting in the way of being right over others being right in their views as well

I need the reminder to hear all, and take all to Father, Daddy, PaPa in prayer discerning truth over errors, seeing to remain humble in the discernment given thank you. I trust Father in Son as risen where the new born new life as born again is given, by God not any other person
Thank you

 

[Renewedstrength316]

Thanks, I see to discern between God and myself. To not, think I know or how to know, even if know. thanks to God only, in the trinity as Won One for me and all others also. I thank you to discern to me to not give any credit to the first born flesh at all, in me or others as well as Paul describes in Phil 3, about letting go of any self-righteousness much depth there. Thank you for the reminder to remain free in God Father and Son, given the Spirit of Truth for us all to g et led new, over physical pleading and getting in the way of being right over others being right in their views as well

I need the reminder to hear all, and take all to Father, Daddy, PaPa in prayer discerning truth over errors, seeing to remain humble in the discernment given thank you. I trust Father in Son as risen where the new born new life as born again is given, by God not any other person
Thank you

Brother, I hear your intent to be humble, but your response is filled with vague spiritual language that avoids the real issue. This isn’t biblical discernment — it’s deflection.

You speak of “seeing to discern” and “letting go of self-righteousness,” but Scripture doesn’t call us to float in abstract impressions. It calls us to test all things by the Word (1 Thess. 5:21), to rebuke error (Titus 1:9), and to speak the truth boldly (Eph. 4:15).

The Holy Spirit doesn't lead us into fog — He leads us into truth (John 16:13).
The Gospel doesn’t save through private impressions — it saves through preaching (Rom. 10:14–17).

You talk about not “getting in the way by being right,” but that’s a subtle jab at anyone who speaks with conviction. Be careful — because the apostles didn’t whisper. They pleaded, warned, and proclaimed with fire.

> “We implore you on Christ’s behalf: be reconciled to God.” (2 Cor. 5:20)



This isn’t about being right for pride’s sake. This is about being faithful to Christ — who didn’t die on a cross so we could sit in theological ambiguity. He died and rose so we could proclaim His truth with clarity and power.

Brother, take everything to the Father, yes — but don’t stop there. Let the Word refine you. Let it cut where it needs to. Don’t fear the sword — fear the silence that comes from hiding behind spiritual fog.

Because this hour demands clarity, not confusion. Truth, not mystical retreat. Fire, not fog.

> “Cry aloud, do not hold back; lift up your voice like a trumpet.” (Isaiah 58:1)



Let the trumpet sound again.

 

[posthuman]

Show me in the Bible where Jesus or the Holy Spirit ever does something that they are not obeying the Father?

any and all judgement from God anywhere in scripture is the independent will of the Son, not subordinate to the Father. ((John 5:22))

 

[Pilgrimshope]

any and all judgement from God anywhere in scripture is the independent will of the Son, not subordinate to the Father. ((John 5:22))

“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[lrs68]

any and all judgement from God anywhere in scripture is the independent will of the Son, not subordinate to the Father. ((John 5:22))

Who gave that authority to the Son and who had the Foreknowledge to know what the Son would do?

18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

any and all judgement from God anywhere in scripture is the independent will of the Son, not subordinate to the Father. ((John 5:22))

The son was subordinate during his earthly life because he had to become a true man fully a man . And mans duty is this

“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So we have this understanding here of his mind when he was on earth as a man before he was glorified

“who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. “
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:6-8 KJV‬‬

‬‬the reason I’m s because we didint have any man on earth left who could mediate a relationship no one was worthy to approach God anymore like Moses had or Abraham or David ect we needed a perfect man who could intercede for us . So he became a man and loved a man’s life perfectly and became our intercessor

The situation was this before he became a man

“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:


therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke….. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:16-17, 20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So the plan was to be born as a man live a man’s life face temptations and never sin even when tortured and accused falsely of heresy and blasphemy insulted beaten and mocked he never sinned even to death then he died for sinn and so then we would have a man worthy to intercede and save us from ourselves and also a worthy atonement for mankind’s sin being a perfect man .

snow we have an intercessor whereas before he came in the flesh as a man we didint because there was no man worthy

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Not only that but our intercessor is eternal in nature

“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We needed an intercessor and there wasn’t one

he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:

So he became oir high preist and intercessor who’s been where we are

“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. ( he experienced all aspects of humanity even temptation of the flesh ) Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s really a cool story in the Bible of how God saw that we were lost without hope having rebelled and turned against him and for a time there were men he found worthy to intercede and make covenants with like Noah , Moses , Abraham Isaac and Jacob , even as late as david but eventually he saw there was no one left worthy tomontercede as they had done beforehand so he himself jumped into the mess we caused in order to redeem us from it

most gods in religion do t come to be among thier people and sacrifice tbier own earthly life to save thier faulty one which broke his commandments but ours lives his creation and would even step off his throne in heaven and come to be among us as one of us innorder to save us teach us redeeming us from death

He’s really awesome when you dig into what he’s done sterting with his plans in tbe ot to come dwell among us

 

[posthuman]

Who gave that authority to the Son and who had the Foreknowledge to know what the Son would do?

18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

He sends Himself and gives Himself, and no one can say, what is this you have done?

the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.​

(Revelation 22:3)​

​

"throne" is singular.
"Him" is singular.

 

[Haidabo]

any and all judgement from God anywhere in scripture is the independent will of the Son, not subordinate to the Father. ((John 5:22))

It's irreverent
They are the same
Spirit.

 

[homwardbound]

Show me in the Bible where Jesus or the Holy Spirit ever does something that they are not obeying the Father?

Show me where the Father is asking the opinion of Jesus or Holy Spirit before His Will is done?

Yes, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit is 100% God!

But answer my first 2 questions because nothing ever done by Jesus or the Holy Spirit wasn't already FOREKNOWN and PREDESTINED by the Father first.

The three agree as One, Hallelujah
1 John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

 

[homwardbound]

Brother, I hear your intent to be humble, but your response is filled with vague spiritual language that avoids the real issue. This isn’t biblical discernment — it’s deflection.

You speak of “seeing to discern” and “letting go of self-righteousness,” but Scripture doesn’t call us to float in abstract impressions. It calls us to test all things by the Word (1 Thess. 5:21), to rebuke error (Titus 1:9), and to speak the truth boldly (Eph. 4:15).

The Holy Spirit doesn't lead us into fog — He leads us into truth (John 16:13).
The Gospel doesn’t save through private impressions — it saves through preaching (Rom. 10:14–17).

You talk about not “getting in the way by being right,” but that’s a subtle jab at anyone who speaks with conviction. Be careful — because the apostles didn’t whisper. They pleaded, warned, and proclaimed with fire.

> “We implore you on Christ’s behalf: be reconciled to God.” (2 Cor. 5:20)



This isn’t about being right for pride’s sake. This is about being faithful to Christ — who didn’t die on a cross so we could sit in theological ambiguity. He died and rose so we could proclaim His truth with clarity and power.

Brother, take everything to the Father, yes — but don’t stop there. Let the Word refine you. Let it cut where it needs to. Don’t fear the sword — fear the silence that comes from hiding behind spiritual fog.

Because this hour demands clarity, not confusion. Truth, not mystical retreat. Fire, not fog.

> “Cry aloud, do not hold back; lift up your voice like a trumpet.” (Isaiah 58:1)



Let the trumpet sound again.

It has been now presently declared Isaiah 58:1, that is done by Son once for everyone to now believe God in the resurrected Son. Thanks for your admonition, and declaring to me to seek out whether or not I am in a fog, Thank you. God knows truth over us all. I am nobody Father is everything and I await on my Father the same as he waited on his Father, now our Father, thanks to Jesus being risen back to life where all sin is taken away in Father's sight

1. John 16:32
   Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. John 17:5
   And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
3. John 17:11
   And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

1. John 20:17
   Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. John 20:21
   Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

God won for us through Son to us all in love for us all to get and love all.

Bold now! us there anyone you or anyone else reading this here today, not loving or forigiving certain people, especially those that have done you wrong?
See Romans 2:1-4, do you want to accuse anyone still, I see willingly not to, since he died once for all and all are reconciled now,a s forgiven
Again thanks for your share in care

 

[DeepSeeker]

Reading of The Bible scriptures requires close attention! First; The Bibles which are now in use, are mans' works. They, are not the original text. Anytime that mankind makes a writing on Bible scriptures, some error creeps in by default!
It requires the gift from The Spirit of The Elohm to keep close to what was originally written. How many translations are there Today of The Text? Many !
Each had Its' own errors built in. Nonetheless, there is still much to be learned from That Book. Just bear in mind, that IT is not the original writing.
This Writer has over some 60 or more years, depended on The Spirit of The Elohim to guide Me in what I learn, and Write. That has lead Me to much spiritual understanding.
I wrote the above just to inform those who may read any of My post here, to better understand My thinking.

DeepSeeker

 

[GWH]

🔥 SECTION 1: "The Trinity Is Already Confusing…"

> “To call Christ the Everlasting Father may not confuse the Trinity any more than it is already confusing for some...”

STOP. RIGHT. THERE.

This is how Satan slithers in — not with open denial, but with suggestion. “Did God really say?” (Gen. 3:1)

No, the Trinity is not confusing. It's mystery, not contradiction. Confusion comes when you try to shrink eternal truth into a seminary outline. Isaiah 9:6 isn’t confused — it’s revelation. It’s prophecy with thunder in its bones.

This verse doesn’t blur the lines between Father, Son, and Spirit — it glorifies the eternal divinity of Christ.

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⚔️ SECTION 2: The Heretical Math Lesson (1 x 1 x 1 = 1)

> “The NT teaches that God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son, and as the Holy Spirit (1 x 1 x 1 = 1).”

This is shallow, tired, Sunday school logic that does more harm than good. God is not a mathematical equation. He is holy, uncreated, infinite, and revealed in three eternal Persons, not modes or functions.

That kind of teaching flirts with modalism — the ancient heresy that says God just appears in different forms. But the Word is clear:
Jesus prays to the Father (John 17)
The Spirit descends while the Father speaks and the Son is baptized (Luke 3:21–22)
The Father sends the Son, and the Son sends the Spirit (John 14–16)
That’s not one Person with multiple hats. That’s Trinitarian glory.

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🪓 SECTION 3: The “Role” Reduction

> “These divine aspects or ‘persons’ may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator… the Son as mediator… the Spirit as indweller…”

No. That’s functional reductionism. You’re reducing the Persons of the Godhead to job descriptions. God is not a cosmic employee clocking into different shifts.

The Father, Son, and Spirit are co-eternal, co-equal, and fully God — always operating in unity, but not interchangeable roles. Jesus isn’t just the “mediator,” He is YHWH in the flesh. The Spirit isn’t just “the indweller,” He is God who hovered over the waters of creation and raised Christ from the dead.

This breakdown is weak theology dressed up in grammatical categories. It sounds safe, but it strips power.

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🔥 SECTION 4: The Gender Confusion Insert

> “Only God the Son is human and had a sexual orientation while on earth…”

What? Where is this coming from? Christ’s humanity never included sexual activity or orientation. That’s a carnal line of thinking — foreign to Scripture and unnecessary in this discussion.

God is referred to as Father not because He has human anatomy, but because He exercises loving, sovereign, covenantal authority. This “don’t forget females are also in the image of God” detour is a distraction from the central truth of Christ’s identity in Isaiah 9:6.

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☠️ SECTION 5: The QUADITY Blasphemy

> “In a sense God may be viewed as a ‘Quadity’…”

BLASPHEMY.
This is where the response goes off the rails and into the abyss.

“Quadity”? That’s not biblical. That’s panentheistic garbage. That’s trying to blend Christianity with New Age cosmic mush.

God is not “part of creation.” He created all things.
God is not a force. He is Father, Son, and Spirit — not wind, tree, and molecule.

Romans 1:25 warns of those who “worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator.”
That’s exactly what happens when someone elevates creation as a “mode” of God’s revelation.

This is not orthodoxy. This is poison in a theological cup.

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💥 Final Verdict

This entire response is a Trojan horse.
It sounds intellectual. It quotes Scripture. It uses flowery words.
But at its core — it is confusion wrapped in commentary.

It takes the blazing glory of Isaiah 9:6 and cools it into a cold puddle of religious relativism.
It doesn’t exalt Christ.
It doesn’t preach the incarnation.
It doesn’t tremble before the throne.
Instead, it whispers half-truths that neuter the gospel and exalt human understanding.

1. This is how Satan slithers in — not with open denial, but with suggestion. “Did God really say?” (Gen. 3:1)

No, Satan slithers in by disallowing questions.

2. the Trinity is not confusing. It's mystery, not contradiction.

The early church found the Trinity quite confusing and debated it for centuries, but let's hear your explanation of it.

3. The Heretical Math Lesson (1 x 1 x 1 = 1)

So let's see how you would express the Trinity mathematically.

4. God is not a mathematical equation. He is holy, uncreated, infinite, and revealed in three eternal Persons, not modes or functions.

That shallow, tired, Sunday school logic explains exactly zero.

5. That kind of teaching flirts with modalism — the ancient heresy that says God just appears in different forms. But the Word is clear:
Jesus prays to the Father (John 17) The Spirit descends while the Father speaks and the Son is baptized (Luke 3:21–22)
The Father sends the Son, and the Son sends the Spirit (John 14–16) That’s not one Person with multiple hats. That’s Trinitarian glory.

No, that's modalism aka manifestations or one God relating to humanity in three ways.

6. That (“These divine aspects or ‘persons’ may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator… the Son as mediator… the Spirit as indweller…”) is functional reductionism. You’re reducing the Persons of the Godhead to job descriptions.

That is how God describes Himself, so you need to ask Him about that.

7. Where is this ("Only God the Son is human and had a sexual orientation while on earth…”) coming from? Christ’s humanity never included sexual activity or orientation. That’s a carnal line of thinking — foreign to Scripture and unnecessary in this discussion.

CC never ceases to amaze me and broaden my horizons. I have never encountered anyone who denied that Jesus was a man before.

8. This (“In a sense God may be viewed as a ‘Quadity’…”) is where the response goes off the rails and into the abyss. That’s not biblical. That’s panentheistic garbage.

No, that's incorporating Rom. 1:20, John 1:1-3, Psa. 33:6 and Acts 17:28 into the discussion.
If you would not delete/omit the Scripture references when quoting me it would be helpful,
and I specifically warned against panentheism.

9. This entire response.. quotes Scripture.

You finally noticed!

10. it is confusion wrapped in commentary.

I find it quite helpful, and I am sorry you find it confusing.

11. It whispers half-truths that neuter the gospel.

On the contrary, God revealed himself to Elijah via a whisper in 1KG 19:12,
so you would do well to meditate on the Scripture I cited.

LIC, GWH

 

[DeepSeeker]

One, of the big things that I see in Bibe chat rooms is, the lack of DEEP STUDY.

I see a lot of copied ideas, or scriptures. However, how does One come to understand what is written in The Bible text? That comes from first, asking the Spirit of God to give One guidance when studying the Bibe scriptures. Then, after that, thinking on Them deeply.
It is easy to repeat things heard in Churches and from others! However, that is not, The way to learn the deeper things of The Bible scriptures.
"Study to show Yourself approved of God; RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH!
Repeating things heard only adds to the confusion which exist in Churches Today!

DeepSeeker

 

[DeepSeeker]

1. This is how Satan slithers in — not with open denial, but with suggestion. “Did God really say?” (Gen. 3:1)

No, Satan slithers in by disallowing questions.

2. the Trinity is not confusing. It's mystery, not contradiction.

The early church found the Trinity quite confusing and debated it for centuries, but let's hear your explanation of it.

3. The Heretical Math Lesson (1 x 1 x 1 = 1)

So let's see how you would express the Trinity mathematically.

4. God is not a mathematical equation. He is holy, uncreated, infinite, and revealed in three eternal Persons, not modes or functions.

That shallow, tired, Sunday school logic explains exactly zero.

5. That kind of teaching flirts with modalism — the ancient heresy that says God just appears in different forms. But the Word is clear:
Jesus prays to the Father (John 17) The Spirit descends while the Father speaks and the Son is baptized (Luke 3:21–22)
The Father sends the Son, and the Son sends the Spirit (John 14–16) That’s not one Person with multiple hats. That’s Trinitarian glory.

No, that's modalism aka manifestations or one God relating to humanity in three ways.

6. That (“These divine aspects or ‘persons’ may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator… the Son as mediator… the Spirit as indweller…”) is functional reductionism. You’re reducing the Persons of the Godhead to job descriptions.

That is how God describes Himself, so you need to ask Him about that.

7. Where is this ("Only God the Son is human and had a sexual orientation while on earth…”) coming from? Christ’s humanity never included sexual activity or orientation. That’s a carnal line of thinking — foreign to Scripture and unnecessary in this discussion.

CC never ceases to amaze me and broaden my horizons. I have never encountered anyone who denied that Jesus was a man before.

8. This (“In a sense God may be viewed as a ‘Quadity’…”) is where the response goes off the rails and into the abyss. That’s not biblical. That’s panentheistic garbage.

No, that's incorporating Rom. 1:20, John 1:1-3, Psa. 33:6 and Acts 17:28 into the discussion.
If you would not delete/omit the Scripture references when quoting me it would be helpful,
and I specifically warned against panentheism.

9. This entire response.. quotes Scripture.

You finally noticed!

10. it is confusion wrapped in commentary.

I find it quite helpful, and I am sorry you find it confusing.

11. It whispers half-truths that neuter the gospel.

On the contrary, God revealed himself to Elijah via a whisper in 1KG 19:12,
so you would do well to meditate on the Scripture I cited.

LIC, GWH

 

[DeepSeeker]

GWH
Good work .

 

[DeepSeeker]

ASK THE SPIRIT OF GOD FOR UNDERSTANDIING. THEN: STUDY THE BIBLE, THEN: STUDY THE BIBLE.

 

[DeepSeeker]

GEN. 1:1
In The Begining (of This Creation) God created Gen. 2:3 The SEVENTH DAY God ceased from ALL His work
Six days is for work, the seventh is for rest.

 

[GWH]

GWH
Good work .

Thanks DS, you made my day, because learning GW has indeed taken lifelong (50+ years) work,
and it is so disappointing/discouraging when fellow Christians disagree with insights I believe God has given,
although it keeps us humble!

 

[GWH]

Not sure why I could not reply to #36, but here is what I wanted to address:

"So why is Jesus called the everlasting Father. And you cannot put it another way for the Bible says the Son shall be called the everlasting Father. I want to know how can a person can reconcile that if they believe in a trinity. Is there a trinity or did certain people have pagan tendencies and want a trinity like the pagan religions."

There is a Triunity, but it is revealed more clearly in the NT than in the OT,
and even in the NT the term "Trinity" is not used or explained completely.

 

[lrs68]

He sends Himself and gives Himself, and no one can say, what is this you have done?

the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.​

(Revelation 22:3)​

​

"throne" is singular.
"Him" is singular.

Amen!