Does man have a freewill ?

[Cameron143]

I'm not saying anything pertaining to how you responded. But from how you did respond doesn't man have the ability to choose not to believe?

Man doesn't believe. He is born in unbelief.

 

[Jimbone]

But God does act on his desire

He just does not force people to react to his desire.


yes

both heard the word.

One chose to recieve
One chose to remain in believe.

Gods will was fulfilled. John 6 says it is the will of the father that whoever hears and believes will be saved.

Jesus said in John 5 whoever sees and believes shall not come to judgment but has passed from life to death

Gods will was fulfilled
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the one who saw and believed was saved and no longer condemned

the one who heard and saw and did not believe remain condemned.

So it was the choice that saved them, not God. That's what you're saying here, that Jesus made a way, but it's up to YOU to make the right choice in order to be saved. Do you not see that your assertion here makes salvation nothing more than a human choice? Do you not see this gives us a reason to boast? This make salvation not of God, but of the right decision-makers. I understand why people believe this, and I too believed this way for the first couple years after being born again, but it just contridicts WAY too much of His word for me, not to mention my personal testimony makes this a complete impossibility. When I was saved I didn't even know what was happening at the time, I didn't choose anything, God pick my dead lost self up ALL on His own, I didn't choose ANYTHING but "my way" was a failure and turned from it. However I did make this choice about 5 years before this happened, and guess what? I WASN'T saved, so my choice meant nothing at all. I know that isn't "proof" to you, but it convices me beyond any doubt.

 

[lrs68]

Man doesn't believe. He is born in unbelief.

I'm not saying man does believe but when man is given the ability to believe can he reject instead of believe?

 

[Magenta]

So it was the choice that saved them, not God. That's what you're saying here, that Jesus made a way, but it's up to YOU to make the right choice in order to be saved. Do you not see that your assertion here makes salvation nothing more than a human choice? Do you not see this gives us a reason to boast? This make salvation not of God, but of the right decision-makers. I understand why people believe this, and I too believed this way for the first couple years after being born again, but it just contridicts WAY too much of His word for me, not to mention my personal testimony makes this a complete impossibility. When I was saved I didn't even know what was happening at the time, I didn't choose anything, God pick my dead lost self up ALL on His own, I didn't choose ANYTHING but "my way" was a failure and turned from it. However I did make this choice about 5 years before this happened, and guess what? I WASN'T saved, so my choice meant nothing at all. I know that isn't "proof" to you, but it convinces me beyond any doubt.

There is quite a remarkable difference between those who have experienced God in powerful/profound ways and those who have not.

 

[Cameron143]

I'm not saying man does believe but when man is given the ability to believe can he reject instead of believe?

If God births faith in an individual, they believe. They are saved. Choice isn't part of the equation.

 

[DeepSeeker]

Yes, man has free will.

Have which King ?
The King of The Heavenly realm, or, an earthly king ? I feel that Your statement is to open ended.
DeepSeeker

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

And yet that contradicts what Jesus said about nobody being able to come to Him unless God draws themand then those given to Jesus will come. God draws us with loving kindness, and in order to be aware ofGod's drawing something in man's inherent nature must be changed because the natural man can neitherreceive nor comprehend the spiritual things of God.You are pushing against what Scripture teaches.
LOL. The gospel is foolishness to the natural man. His heart and ears need circumcising. Yes, it is God's choice of to whom and of when He does this. You are saying man doesnot need it done until after he has already done what is contrary to his nature.I am not a Calvinist. The natural man's faith is in himself: he has replaced God on the throne with his own self just as Adam did.
Hey I just got to work, I will continue this later...

I use "Calvinist" and "Reformed" interchangeably. Is there any part of TULIP that you disagree with?

 

[lrs68]

When I was saved I didn't even know what was happening at the time, I didn't choose anything, God pick my dead lost self up ALL on His own, I didn't choose ANYTHING but "my way" was a failure and turned from it.

Once you came to a point of do I believe, could you have rejected if you wanted to?

 

[CS1]

Have which King ?
The King of The Heavenly realm, or, an earthly king ? I feel that Your statement is to open ended.
DeepSeeker

"Man having free will doesn't limit God's ability. God, in His sovereignty, is fully able to allow man to choose—'Choose this day whom you will serve' (Joshua 24:15). Does God know what man will choose? Absolutely. Yet His foreknowledge does not negate the reality of that choice. In fact, it magnifies His power: that He can both know and still allow."



This view is widely held in classical Christian theology, particularly by those who affirm both divine omniscience and meaningful human responsibility. Here's a breakdown:

1. God’s Sovereignty Is Not Threatened by Human Freedom

God is not insecure about human choices. Allowing man to choose doesn’t lessen His power—it reveals the greatness of a God who can accomplish His will even through the free decisions of finite creatures.

2. Foreknowledge vs. Predetermination

Knowing what someone will do is not the same as causing them to do it. God can know our decisions without coercing them. Just because God sees the end from the beginning doesn’t mean He overrides our will.

3. The Mystery of God’s Providence

Can God allow real choice and still fulfill His eternal purposes? Yes. That is the mystery and beauty of divine providence: “In all things God works for the good of those who love Him” (Romans 8:28)—even through freely made human decisions.

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[NewLifeInChrist]

So it was the choice that saved them, not God. That's what you're saying here, that Jesus made a way, but it's up to YOU to make the right choice in order to be saved. Do you not see that your assertion here makes salvation nothing more than a human choice? Do you not see this gives us a reason to boast? This make salvation not of God, but of the right decision-makers. I understand why people believe this, and I too believed this way for the first couple years after being born again, but it just contridicts WAY too much of His word for me, not to mention my personal testimony makes this a complete impossibility. When I was saved I didn't even know what was happening at the time, I didn't choose anything, God pick my dead lost self up ALL on His own, I didn't choose ANYTHING but "my way" was a failure and turned from it. However I did make this choice about 5 years before this happened, and guess what? I WASN'T saved, so my choice meant nothing at all. I know that isn't "proof" to you, but it convices me beyond any doubt.

"Faith" is not "works".

There is quite a remarkable difference between those who have experienced God in powerful/profound ways and those who have not.

It is quite judgemental to consider everyone lost who disagrees with your theology.

If God births faith in an individual, they believe. They are saved. Choice isn't part of the equation.

I think this is a minority view among Christians.

 

[Cameron143]

"Faith" is not "works".It is quite judgemental to consider everyone lost who disagrees with your theology.I think this is a minority view among Christians.

Truth is often found in the minority.

 

[DeepSeeker]

There is quite a remarkable difference between those who have experienced God in powerful/profound ways and those who have not.

Interesting Reply.

Seeing how The Elohim created all things here on This Earth; it reasons that The Gift They gave of free will, should be wisely used.
Some will read This reply and say; What do You mean, Elohim? The Proper Noun, Elohim, is a plural Popular Pronoun. That is,
It contains more than One person.

Consider closely This Verse from The Amplified Bible.

Genesis 1:1 . In The Begining God created (prepared, formed, fashioned) and created the earth.

Now consider this verse from Gen. 1:26 : God said, LET US [ Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] Make mankind in OUR image, after Our likeness, and let THEM have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the bi8rds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth. and over everything that creeps upon the earth.

Notice that the verse does not say, Adam! It says MAN; that is, mankind!

I can go no further here then to point this out to the readers. To do so would take a book writing. Huum!

DeepSeeker

 

[lrs68]

If God births faith in an individual, they believe. They are saved. Choice isn't part of the equation.

People have Faith in Science and Mathematics so Faith doesn't always end up in Salvation. The Bible also doesn't claim all who believe will be saved. It actually instructs the demons believe and none of them are saved.

 

[lrs68]

Interesting Reply.

Seeing how The Elohim created all things here on This Earth; it reasons that The Gift They gave of free will, should be wisely used.
Some will read This reply and say; What do You mean, Elohim? The Proper Noun, Elohim, is a plural Popular Pronoun. That is,
It contains more than One person.

Consider closely This Verse from The Amplified Bible.

Genesis 1:1 . In The Begining God created (prepared, formed, fashioned) and created the earth.

Now consider this verse from Gen. 1:26 : God said, LET US [ Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] Make mankind in OUR image, after Our likeness, and let THEM have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the bi8rds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth. and over everything that creeps upon the earth.

Notice that the verse does not say, Adam! It says MAN; that is, mankind!

I can go no further here then to point this out to the readers. To do so would take a book writing. Huum!

DeepSeeker

As a Hebrew that is very familiar with the Hebrew Torah\Tanakh, can you show me where Elohim is written as [The Elohim]?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

No, according to you, you chose to believe.

So did you. so does everyone who comes to God in faith and says Yes lord. I want you to give me your free gift.

You also chose not to remain in unbelief,. as apposed to those who chose to remain

God only made it possible.

yes. this is the purpose of the cross.
Jesus said he came not to judge, but so that the would MAY be saved.

He made salvation possible to the world. He did not promise the whole would would be saved

The decision was yours, not God's. He didn't produce the faith in you by His word and Spirit. You did that all by yourself.

Nope.

He produced it in me, as he proved himself trustworthy.

The defenition of the word faith is that thing we have in someone, it is trustworthy, it is based on evidence, and it is not blind faith.

 

[Cameron143]

People have Faith in Science and Mathematics so Faith doesn't always end up in Salvation. The Bible also doesn't claim all who believe will be saved. It actually instructs the demons believe and none of them are saved.

All who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are saved.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Right, that's what I've been saying.

this is what you have been saying

God doesn't use people to draw men to Himself..

Now your denying you said this?

 

[Cameron143]

So did you. so does everyone who comes to God in faith and says Yes lord. I want you to give me your free gift.

You also chose not to remain in unbelief,. as apposed to those who chose to remain

yes. this is the purpose of the cross.
Jesus said he came not to judge, but so that the would MAY be saved.

He made salvation possible to the world. He did not promise the whole would would be saved


Nope.

He produced it in me, as he proved himself trustworthy.

The defenition of the word faith is that thing we have in someone, it is trustworthy, it is based on evidence, and it is not blind faith.

Either He produced it in you or you you chose. Both are not true.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Did you believe apart from faith?
Did you produce the faith that saved you or was it by hearing, and hearing by the word of God?

ok pleaser stop with the reformed theology words. it is frustrating

I never said i produced faith. and you know this because I have told you this so many times I lost count.

If your going to keep repeating the same nonsense and same false reasoning to try to pove your point. its time to move on. Because it tells me you have lost ways to try to show me your way

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I'm not saying man does believe but when man is given the ability to believe can he reject instead of believe?

sadly, it appears we have resorted to reformed theological thinking to the point, they keep saying the same things over and over, even asking things we have already answered numerous tims