Making a case for women in leadership

[Blain]

Sorry, but no. Women do not hold the same place as men. Women have babies, men can't do that, not even liberal men. Men do things that women can never do as well. We are different, God made us different for a reason. We are equal in Christ, absolutely. But we are not equals in practical day to day matters, nor were we ever intended to be.

Yes but I was talking the role we have in Christ not day to day matters like having babies or anything.
It never specifically says that women cannot be in leadership it says that paul wanted them to be silent but that had to do with what was going on in the church not to mention what does the scriptures mean then if there is no jew or gentile man or women in Christ? we cannot just ignore that verse or try to downgrade it because it doesn't fit our personal beliefs

God has already shown even in scripture women being in positions of authority women preaching as well one was even a judge over the nation soconsidering this then we can find that he will use women to even be a judge so what is stopping him from using them in this day and age to do his will even if in a position of leadership?

 

[TomCullen]

Yes but I was talking the role we have in Christ not day to day matters like having babies or anything.
It never specifically says that women cannot be in leadership it says that paul wanted them to be silent but that had to do with what was going on in the church not to mention what does the scriptures mean then if there is no jew or gentile man or women in Christ? we cannot just ignore that verse or try to downgrade it because it doesn't fit our personal beliefs

God has already shown even in scripture women being in positions of authority women preaching as well one was even a judge over the nation soconsidering this then we can find that he will use women to even be a judge so what is stopping him from using them in this day and age to do his will even if in a position of leadership?

God can and will do whatever pleases Him. If He chooses to raise up a female prophetess, I see nothing in scripture that forbids it, and who could stop Him?

The scriptures aren't there to warn us of whom God has chosen, but of whom He has not, which is about 95% of all so called women pastors etc. And sadly, in this present hour of deception, most of the men in pulpits were not chosen by Him either.

 

[Blain]

God can and will do whatever pleases Him. If He chooses to raise up a female prophetess, I see nothing in scripture that forbids it, and who could stop Him?

The scriptures aren't there to warn us of whom God has chosen, but of whom He has not, which is about 95% of all so called women pastors etc. And sadly, in this present hour of deception, most of the men in pulpits were not chosen by Him either.

Well then it seems that no one in this day and age is qualified to lead, but the mere fact he does use female pastors shouldd speak volume even if by your words most of them are not qualified but that mere five percent says to me that since there is a five percent then we need to rethink our understandding of the scriptures and who andd who is not qualified

 

[Edify]

I think a lot of the friction comes about due to our warped view of what true leadership really is. We equate it with spirituality and hold the leaders up as the only ones God can use and speak to, but the Bible is clear that is not the case. Really, Jesus said that true leadership requires sacrifice, even of our personal safety. Leading the church properly is an emotionally, physically, and spiritually taxing job. I can't really see a woman raising kids having enough emotional bandwidth for it, and very few men would be up for the task either. Not to mention it was downright dangerous at the time, and is becoming moreso again today.

Based on scripture, it's easy to wonder if Mary Magdalene and John the Beloved were actually more "spiritual" than Peter. But Peter wasn't chosen to be the rock of the church due to spirituality alone. Surely he was a spiritual guy who loved Jesus very much. But it was his protectiveness, steadfastness, zeal, and boldness that qualified him for that very unique job, and made him a better fit for it than those who were arguably more "spiritual".

If the church stopped putting leadership on a pedestal and instead started recognizing and encouraging the gifts of the entire congregation, I think a lot of the friction would dissipate. People would feel more empowered to do what they are called to do, and fewer false sheherds would be drawn to leadership because there really shouldn't be anything glamorous about it; it's an incredibly tough and un-glamorous job when done correctly.

Those itty-bitty awards wasn't enough! Well said!

 

[Snackersmom]

Those itty-bitty awards wasn't enough! Well said!

Lol thank you Sir! 😊

 

[Dino246]

Yes. God has put into every man & woman's heart & mind the proper desires that fit each person. 1st Timothy 2:11 teaches that women are to learn in public worship services in silence with all subjection. Titus 2:4 2nd's the motion or teaching. i believe women can teach young women & children in a designated room of the church. Priority in creation & the serpent's temptation are qualifications in this teaching.

You are apparently ignorant of the importance of context. 1st Timothy was written to address issues within a particular context. Ignore it and you will ( and have) misinterpreted the text.

 

[Karlon]

You are apparently ignorant of the importance of context. 1st Timothy was written to address issues within a particular context. Ignore it and you will ( and have) misinterpreted the text.

not so. 1st, there is no teaching in the bible anywhere that women can teach in the church. 2nd, geography has no limit here.

 

[sawdust]

This one verse just doesn't make sense to me if indeed women are subhuman in the church

Why would you think having a particular position in the Church denied you would make one subhuman?

They are forbidden to teach the word in the assembled congregation because to have the role of pastor/teacher is to have spiritual authority in that congregation. God did not order the roles that way. The problem isn't the way God ordered the head, the problem is man's inability to comprehend that leadership is begins with service.

 

[Blain]

Why would you think having a particular position in the Church denied you would make one subhuman?

They are forbidden to teach the word in the assembled congregation because to have the role of pastor/teacher is to have spiritual authority in that congregation. God did not order the roles that way. The problem isn't the way God ordered the head, the problem is man's inability to comprehend that leadership is begins with service.

but there is one spiritual authority and that is Jesus not a pastor not a deacon not even a judge in christ there is but one authoirty and one position of authority and that is Christ.

If he forbade anyone preaching the gospel which is the main purp[ose of the pastor then he would be a hypocrite and he is not. I never saw Jesus mention that women cannot lead nor did he ever tell a women to be silent and Jesus is the ultimate authoirty and so my reasoning to how women and men in Christ is based on him and if he never said anything about it then why should I care if it is a women or a man as a pastor?

 

[Karlon]

You are apparently ignorant of the importance of context. 1st Timothy was written to address issues within a particular context. Ignore it and you will ( and have) misinterpreted the text.

this should set everyone strait on women pastoralship: Hebrews 13:7 speaks of the rule over you, a pastor is to lead, using the word "He". no where in the bible is there a feminine application for women to be pastors. 1st Timothy teaches for women NOT to usurp authority over the man. 1st Timothy teaches women are not to teach.

 

[sawdust]

but there is one spiritual authority and that is Jesus not a pastor not a deacon not even a judge in christ there is but one authoirty and one position of authority and that is Christ.

Where do you think the Corinthian Church would be without the spiritual oversight of Paul or the other pastors sent there like Timothy or Titus? The whole universe is under the authority of Christ, that is not the issue.

If he forbade anyone preaching the gospel which is the main purp[ose of the pastor then he would be a hypocrite and he is not. I never saw Jesus mention that women cannot lead nor did he ever tell a women to be silent and Jesus is the ultimate authoirty and so my reasoning to how women and men in Christ is based on him and if he never said anything about it then why should I care if it is a women or a man as a pastor?

No-one is forbidden preaching the Gospel, we all are to be witnesses to the Resurrection, the hope within us. It is not about leading in the general sense, it is about a specific role within the Church. Women are not to preach/teach within the Congregation. They are not gifted for it, they are not appointed to the role of pastor/teacher.

If He wanted women as pastor/teachers, why did He not pick them among His disciples? There were women who followed Him so it wasn't like He didn't have the choice and He was not one to follow custom/tradition to keep the populace happy, yet His disciples were all men.

You should care because only those appointed by God should be a pastor/teacher (this also includes among males) and He appointed the head of woman to be a man. It is not by accident. It doesn't in any way diminish a woman's ability, worth, skills or position in Christ. To think otherwise is foolishness.

Jesus loves women as much as He loves men but the two each have their role and part to play. It is not a competition. The world is full of women trying to turn us all into men and it is full of men trying to turn us all into women but the Lord is not confused in His design. We compliment each other perfectly when led of the Spirit.

 

[Edify]

If Junia is of note (well known) among the apostles, what do you think she was so well known for as her name is written in the bible? Her cooking? Was she rich? BTW, rich peole aren't named for their wealth in the bible.
Prricilla helped teach Apollos, was named first because the prominent leader is named first.

 

[Edify]

If more men would step up to the plate, maybe the women could get back to their rightful place.

If God is with them, then they ARE in their rightful place.

 

[Edify]

We are different, God made us different for a reason. We are equal in Christ, absolutely. .

And that's what matters the most.

 

[Edify]

If He wanted women as pastor/teachers, why did He not pick them among His disciples? There were women who followed Him so it wasn't like He didn't have the choice and He was not one to follow custom/tradition to keep the populace happy, yet His disciples were all men.

ALL of the saints are disciples!
Go back to Acts 2. They are there.

 

[sawdust]

If Junia is of note (well known) among the apostles, what do you think she was so well known for as her name is written in the bible? Her cooking? Was she rich? BTW, rich peole aren't named for their wealth in the bible.
Prricilla helped teach Apollos, was named first because the prominent leader is named first.

Did either have spiritual oversight of a congregation? It is the specific role of pastor/teacher that Paul said was not for women, not teaching in general. If that were the case half of us here wouldn't be allowed to post. Women can teach what they have been taught just as any man who is not appointed as pastor/teacher can teach what he has been taught.

Pastor/teacher's are given a greater responsibility which is why they come under double discipline. It isn't simply getting the teaching right, they are given a responsibility to ensure their congregation is provided for with sound doctrine and keeping the wolves out.

 

[sawdust]

ALL of the saints are disciples!
Go back to Acts 2. They are there.

You know exactly what I meant. Don't deflect. He did not choose a women among His twelve.

 

[Edify]

Did either have spiritual oversight of a congregation? It is the specific role of pastor/teacher that Paul said was not for women, not teaching in general. If that were the case half of us here wouldn't be allowed to post. Women can teach what they have been taught just as any man who is not appointed as pastor/teacher can teach what he has been taught.

Pastor/teacher's are given a greater responsibility which is why they come under double discipline. It isn't simply getting the teaching right, they are given a responsibility to ensure their congregation is provided for with sound doctrine and keeping the wolves out.

Col 4: 15 Greet the brothers and sisters who are in Laodicea and also Nympha and the church that is in her house.

 

[NightTwister]

I didn't know why anyone would be eager to teach. Teachers are held to a much higher standard.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

ok that makes sense even so I wonder what we make of people who were saved by women pastors not just my friend but in general do we tell them it isn't biblical and does that mean they aren't really saved?

I'm glad that women are leading men to the Lord even if I don't agree with their choice of vocation or position in a church. She imparted to your friend the greatest blessing by sharing the gospel with him.

I attended a church where a lot of scheduled evangelism and teaching took place. Our ladies met on Saturdays if I remember right. I would like a million ladies from churches in my region to go to the hospitals, assisted living and house to house. Please pray that God will make the way to make that a reality.

God bless you and your health my friend.