Making a case for women in leadership

[Dino246]

this should set everyone strait on women pastoralship:

The word is "straight", "women" is not an adjective, and "pastoralship" is not a word.

Hebrews 13:7 speaks of the rule over you, a pastor is to lead, using the word "He".

Unless you checked the original Greek and found a male pronoun, your point is moot.

no where in the bible is there a feminine application for women to be pastors.

Nor is there any preclusion of women from being pastors.

1st Timothy teaches for women NOT to usurp authority over the man.

Firstly, "usurp" is an incorrect translation, and secondly, a woman being given a position of authority over a man is not "usurping" anything.

1st Timothy teaches women are not to teach.

That's not what it says; rather, that's what people with an agenda want it to say.

 

[Dino246]

not so. 1st, there is no teaching in the bible anywhere that women can teach in the church.

Nor is there any teaching in the Bible that we may use guitars, pianos, or microphones, but there they are. The absence of something does not indicate its preclusion.

2nd, geography has no limit here.

I think I know what you mean, in which case, you're wrong, but your statement, as written, is irrelevant.

 

[Dino246]

If more men would step up to the plate, maybe the women could get back to their rightful place.

Your comment indicates that you think women have a particular "rightful place" other than the place of leadership.

Sorry, but no. Women do not hold the same place as men. Women have babies, men can't do that, not even liberal men. Men do things that women can never do as well. We are different, God made us different for a reason. We are equal in Christ, absolutely. But we are not equals in practical day to day matters, nor were we ever intended to be.

You are correct that men cannot bear children, and that some things only men can do, but preaching, teaching, and counseling aren't among them.

 

[Dino246]

We also read that towards the end of this Age that the genders will noticably switch. This is not God's design but how it's prophecied.

Where is that in Scripture?

 

[Dino246]

Why would you think having a particular position in the Church denied you would make one subhuman?

They are forbidden to teach the word in the assembled congregation because to have the role of pastor/teacher is to have spiritual authority in that congregation. God did not order the roles that way. The problem isn't the way God ordered the head, the problem is man's inability to comprehend that leadership is begins with service.

Scripture doesn't say anywhere that women may not have spiritual authority. Scripture does show a woman teaching a man. Scripture nowhere precludes women from the role of pastor-teacher. People just think it does because they aren't rigorous in examining the text, the context, and the implications of a particular interpretation.

 

[sawdust]

Col 4: 15 Greet the brothers and sisters who are in Laodicea and also Nympha and the church that is in her house.

They met in her house. People meet in my house every week for Bible Study, doesn't make me a pastor/teacher.

 

[Dino246]

He appointed the head of woman to be a man.

You would do well to read the text more carefully, and to consider its implications before making your case. The scripture states, "the head of the woman is the man; both are singular and specific. The only relationship where the man is the head of the woman is in marriage. If you think every man is the head of every woman, try ordering another man's wife around... in front of him.

 

[Dino246]

You know exactly what I meant. Don't deflect. He did not choose a women among His twelve.

Did He say why? No. Don't assume where Scripture is silent.

 

[sawdust]

Did He say why? No. Don't assume where Scripture is silent.

Jesus did not pick a male as one of the twelve. Fact, not assumption.

 

[sawdust]

You would do well to read the text more carefully, and to consider its implications before making your case. The scripture states, "the head of the woman is the man; both are singular and specific. The only relationship where the man is the head of the woman is in marriage. If you think every man is the head of every woman, try ordering another man's wife around... in front of him.

No, I don't think every man is the head of every woman, but I do think where it is applicable, God set the order for a male to be the authority and not the woman.

A pastor/teacher has authority over a congregation for their benefit. To upend God's delegated order for no good reason is not very smart.

 

[DeepSeeker]

Everyone knows Pauls words on women pastors or rather a women speaking or teaching in the church and at face value this would seem pretty clear however the context of the verse has to do with the issues that was going on in the church at the time but what really got me thinking was this right here

Galatians 3:28 states that in Christ Jesus, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor male nor female, for all are one. This verse emphasizes the equality and unity of believers in Christ, transcending traditional social and cultural divisions. It highlights that these categories, while still present in human society,
are not determinants of value or significance within the Christian community and so this verse got me thinking if this is to be true then why do we take Pauls words at face value he would be contradicting the himself
unless of course he was speaking in regards to what was going on in the church at the time then it would make sense not to mention what about the women who he even baosted about who ministered to people such as Junia?

This one verse just doesn't make sense to me if indeed women are subhuman in the church and Jesus himself never forbid women of such a thing he never even addressed it
Would Jesus forbid the gospel being preached by a women?

Looking back to Genesis and Eve gives the answer to why women's place was given to be. Who listen to Satan? Who fell first? Who then was Cain? Think deep!
Deepseeker

 

[DeepSeeker]

For Those who are truly seeking to know more about God and This Creation, I highly recommend that They read Surah 2 of The Quran!
Yes, I hear the cries; what do You mean the Quran? It's bad book!
I once had a person tell Me that at a church. I then ask: "have You read It?" To which He replied, No! Then how do You know it is a bad Book?

Uhhh uhhhh !

Deepseeker