The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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right john told them they would receive the holt ghost from Jesus after he ascended to Gods right hand .

Im sorry but this doesn’t say anyone received anything

“Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.””

this says they received the Holy Ghost not us them who Jesus had told to wait for it

“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭

That’s when Jesus poured out and tbey received the promise of the holy ghost

Peter literally says what’s happened

“But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s when they receives the promise Jesus made them of the holt ghost

but you’ve totally missed the point that’s what the apostles were told to do who walked with Jesus and were his chosen witnesses he told them this

“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again showing when the holt ghost actually came upon them

“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then he did this

“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then they the apostles received the spirit at pentocost

but your entire point is flawed because they the apostles were told to go preach Jesus to e dry one and baptize then in his name the church was never told to wait in Jerusalem for the Holy Ghost we are told to believe the gospel and we’ll receive it we aren’t the chosen apostles hey we’re who immediately began this doctrine

This is for the church the apostles already had received the promise of the spirit Jesus made them just moments before at pentocost

This is for everyone

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬


You’re trying to make everyone into the apostles who were chosen and sent by Jesus to preach and baotize and that’s what they did .

a Jesus telling them to receive the spirit isnt when it haooened ot haooened when it says after Jesus ascended to gods right hand and was glorified

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

No one received the spirit of Christ u til he purée it out from zgods right hand like he promised them in the gospel

“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He did that just like he said after he ascended to Gods right hand again like it clearly says that promise was fulfilled at pentocost

“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It happened a few days later at pentocost

“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Bit that’s not a command to the church it was a promise he made them and they extended through the doctrine they taught of baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins ……and extended also the promise of the Holy Ghost to all .

No

 

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Jesus' humanity interacted with His divinity. The Jews attempted to kill Jesus for saying He and the Father were one.

"I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." John 10:30-33

"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." John 14:10

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." 1 Tim. 3:16

I did not ask about His Humanity or Divinity. I asked when Jesus said he prayed to His Father, was He praying to Himself? Real Simple.

I know Jesus said I and the Father are one, which in Greek is Face to Face. Jesus never denied the Father, Nor did he ever say there was no Father.

What Jesus said, If you see me, you have seen the Father because Jesus did the very same things God did. That is why Jesus said, 'Believe me, and if not, Believe because of the works that I do.'

You don't know all there is about the Divine Godhead, nor do I so to say that Jesus is the three manifested Him the language doesn't support that. Because we see God in the Old and New Testament and the Spirit of God in both, and Even Jesus, THe Spirit of Christ is seen.

The Father Spoke from Heaven: this is my Son and the baptism and on the Mountain of Transfiguration. Whose voice was speaking?

In addition, they are the only words recorded during a water Baptism.

 

[DeanM]

If you really care to know whether any denomination's beliefs are true or not open your bible and find out. According to Jesus, it is those who hunger and thirst after righteousness that will be filled.

Funny how Oneness and Calvinist followers both hate to admit to it. And pretend they dont know what oneness is. Im a beliver in the Trinity and the grace of God for salvation. See? I have no problem posting that. Its easy.

 

[Wansvic]

All sins were paid for at the cross. When Jesus presented His blood in heaven and it was accepted by the Father, those for whom Jesus shed His blood have eternal life secured by Him. The point at which a person comes to faith is merely the point in time and space this becomes known to him or her. There is no other point in time when sins were paid for.

Yes, Jesus did pay for the sins of all humanity. But not all will receive what He died to provide. The word reveals that after a person believes Jesus is the risen Son of God their sin is remitted upon obedience to the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Obedience is essential as revealed in scripture:

"Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Hebrews 5:8-9

"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:31-32

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16

 

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You have been shown what that scripture actually says many times, yet refuse to share the truth! Why?

John 14:16-17
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, (future tense) that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:

but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, (currently dwells with you-meaning the Spirit of Jesus) and shall be in you. (an experience yet to come)

No no no,

John 14 and John 20:22 are to different events and applications of the Holy Spirit. Just so you know, the Holy Spirit can be in, near, come upon, and remove Himself because He is GOD.

FYI, You need to learn the context and the event in which Jesus was speaking.

1. John chapter 14 was before the crucifixion and resurrection.

2. John 20:22 was after the Resurrection; Jesus breathed on them and said, 'Receive the Holy Spirit.' Luke said Jesus opened up their understanding. Then, he told them to wait for power to be a witness before he ascended. Acts 1:8

 

[Cameron143]

Yes, Jesus did pay for the sins of all humanity. But not all will receive what He died to provide. The word reveals that after a person believes Jesus is the risen Son of God their sin is remitted upon obedience to the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Obedience is essential as revealed in scripture:

"Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Hebrews 5:8-9

"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:31-32

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16

If all sins are paid for, on what basis does God send someone to hell?

 

[DeanM]

No no no,

John 14 and John 20:22 are to different events and applications of the Holy Spirit. Just so you know, the Holy Spirit can be in, near, come upon, and remove Himself because He is GOD.

FYI, You need to learn the context and the event in which Jesus was speaking.

1. John chapter 14 was before the crucifixion and resurrection.

2. John 20:22 was after the Resurrection; Jesus breathed on them and said, 'Receive the Holy Spirit.' Luke said Jesus opened up their understanding. Then, he told them to wait for power to be a witness before he ascended. Acts 1:8

You are dealing with a Oneness beliver and there is also a Calvinist here. Oneness is a fairly new idea. Not sure when it was started or by whom. Calvin had a twisted idea what predestination in scripture is refering to.

 

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If all sins are paid for, on what basis does God send someone to hell?

to him, it would be because you were not water baptized and not in Jesus' name only.

 

[lrs68]

Funny how Oneness and Calvinist followers both hate to admit to it. And pretend they dont know what oneness is. Im a beliver in the Trinity and the grace of God for salvation. See? I have no problem posting that. Its easy.

I think ultimately everyone believes God is Triune. Some go by the Bible when Jesus said God is a Spirit. So they see God is a Spirit that is manifested 3 ways just like the Bible explains.

But then there's the modern Trinity that doesn't even align with the Councils in 325 AD when the original definition of Trinity was explained. Today's view think 3 different people but there's nothing in the Bible that claims that anywhere. It's literally made up. I believe that's where the first group separates themselves because they go by the Bible where God is a Spirit like Jesus said.

 

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You are dealing with a Oneness beliver and there is also a Calvinist here. Oneness is a fairly new idea. Not sure when it was started or by whom. Calvin had a twisted idea what predestination in scripture is refering to.

oneness was found in 1913

 

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oneness was found in 1913

Canadian R.E. McAlister preached what was described by some as a "new revelation" (though others interpreted it as a rediscovery of apostolic practice[16]) that a baptismal formula in "the name of Jesus" only was to be preferred over the Trinitarian formula "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" found in Matthew 28:19, pointing rather to Acts 2:38.[17][18] The revelation immediately caused controversy,

Andrew David Urshan (born Andreos Bar Dawid Urshan; May 17, 1884 – October 16, 1967) was a Persian-born Assyrian evangelist and author.



Modalistic Monarchianism, also known as Modalism or Oneness Christology, is a Christian theology upholding the unipersonal oneness of God while also affirming the divinity of Jesus.

Sabellianism is the belief that there is only one Person ('hypostasis' in the Greek language of the fourth century Arian Controversy) in the Godhead.

 

[Wansvic]

No no no,

John 14 and John 20:22 are to different events and applications of the Holy Spirit. Just so you know, the Holy Spirit can be in, near, come upon, and remove Himself because He is GOD.

FYI, You need to learn the context and the event in which Jesus was speaking.

1. John chapter 14 was before the crucifixion and resurrection.

2. John 20:22 was after the Resurrection; Jesus breathed on them and said, 'Receive the Holy Spirit.' Luke said Jesus opened up their understanding. Then, he told them to wait for power to be a witness before he ascended. Acts 1:8

Sadly, rejecting what Jesus actually said in John 14 and misleading others hinders the ability to see the truth.

 

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Sadly, rejecting what Jesus actually said in John 14 and misleading others hinders the ability to see the truth.

Stop being untruthful and answer the question. Are you saying John chapter 14 and John chapter 20 have the same context even though Jesus had not yet been crucified and risen again?


YOu say I am missing, but you did not answer the qestion I will ask again.

When Jesus was speaking to His Father in Prayer, was he praying to himself? And the voice heard at the Water Baptism of Jesus Mathew 3:17 whose voice was it?

Prove that I am misleading. Prove I am rejecting scripture. Could you not say it. Right here where all can see.

 

[Wansvic]

If all sins are paid for, on what basis does God send someone to hell?

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:48

Refusing to accept Jesus words is to reject Him.

 

[Cameron143]

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:48

Refusing to accept Jesus words is to reject Him.

Is refusing to accept Jesus a sin?

 

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"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:48

Refusing to accept Jesus words is to reject Him.

John 3:15- 19 says it all.

15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

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Is refusing to accept Jesus a sin?

If one does answer the call to repent and believe in the Lord, they are already lost in sin. Dead men walking. I'm sure you know, I guess, preaching to the choir, LOL.

 

[Wansvic]

You are dealing with a Oneness beliver and there is also a Calvinist here. Oneness is a fairly new idea. Not sure when it was started or by whom. Calvin had a twisted idea what predestination in scripture is refering to.

If you took a minute to study the scripture instead of focusing on denominational beliefs you may just see IT, THE SCRIPTURE, speaks for itself:

John 14:16-17
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, (future tense) that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:

but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, (currently dwells with you-meaning the Spirit of Jesus)
and shall (future tense) be in you. (an experience yet to come)

 

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If you took a minute to study the scripture instead of focusing on denominational beliefs you may just see IT, THE SCRIPTURE, speaks for itself:

John 14:16-17
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, (future tense) that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:

but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, (currently dwells with you-meaning the Spirit of Jesus)
and shall (future tense) be in you. (an experience yet to come)

If that's not calling the pot calling the kettle black

 

[DeanM]

If that's not calling the pot calling the kettle black

Haha. Its not worth it. His cult of oneness is where he is comfortable.