The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation
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Water baptism in the name of Jesus is not an OT command. Belief and obedience to the command results in the remission of sins of those living in the NT who believe Jesus is the risen Christ. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)
And for clarification, I responded to your mention of the OT command of circumcision. Refusing to obey God's command resulted in dire consequences as indicated by the scriptures provided.
And for clarification, I responded to your mention of the OT command of circumcision. Refusing to obey God's command resulted in dire consequences as indicated by the scriptures provided.
Nothing symbolic about it as revealed in Ananias words to Paul:
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16
And later Paul's own explanation:
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed,..." Rom. 6:3-6
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16
And later Paul's own explanation:
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed,..." Rom. 6:3-6
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The point is the bible teaches water baptism is to be administered in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. (Matt. 28:19) And the acts of the apostles reveal that name to be Jesus. This is understood as well by Paul's statement that in Jesus dwells all the fulness of the Godhead. (meaning Father, Son and Holy Ghost) Note that immediately after making that statement, Paul said that we are buried with Jesus in baptism. "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Col. 2:9-12
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I've always loved this verse because it speaks about the same entity of God being in Heaven and on Earth at same time proving both Omnipresence and the ability to be 2 persons at the same time.
Genesis 19:
24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
Genesis 19:
24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
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This is what I said :
Dead men don't obey; you have to be saved before you are water-baptized and also to receive the Holy Spirit to confirm your born-again experience that had to happen before water baptism A discussion to be baptized was made after one has been saved and made alive by the Spirit Saved by Grace through faith not of works.
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You’re actually reading what he said to people who had been baptized in Roman’s 6 …..
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4 KJV
“And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
Colossians 2:10-13
why would anyone want so much to remove doctrine the lord put there ?
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ….And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27, 29 KJV
That “gospel of grace “ that rejects all the doctrine Jesus sent out to save us is really going to be a disappointment in the end
“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:46-47 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38
this place is a wonder . “God will save us but not how he said . “
You’re actually reading what he said to people who had been baptized in Roman’s 6 …..
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4 KJV
“And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
Colossians 2:10-13
why would anyone want so much to remove doctrine the lord put there ?
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ….And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27, 29 KJV
That “gospel of grace “ that rejects all the doctrine Jesus sent out to save us is really going to be a disappointment in the end
“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:46-47 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38
this place is a wonder . “God will save us but not how he said . “
yeah that’s why Jesus told them to wait until they received the holy spirit that he had preached to them in the gospel that they would receive later at pentocost …
John told them this when he baptized them for repentance and remission of sins
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
and preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
Mark 1:4-5, 7-8 KJV
They then were told by Jesus a few days before pentocost
“For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
Acts 1:5 KJV
then on the day of pentocost they received the promise
“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Peter then explains tbat Jesus has ascended to the right hand of God and has poured out the gift of his spirit and then you see tbat water and spirit are one baptism
…. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:3-4, 33, 37-39 KJV
the apostles were all baptized in water and later received the promise of the spirit and then they preached baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name , and that the Holy Ghost was a free gift to believers baptized or not but the Holy Spirit doesn’t remit sins baptism for remission of sins does based upon Jesus death and resurrection and our belief in him
jesus death is the o my thing tbat can remit sins that’s why we get baptized into his death ….
John told them this when he baptized them for repentance and remission of sins
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
and preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
Mark 1:4-5, 7-8 KJV
They then were told by Jesus a few days before pentocost
“For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
Acts 1:5 KJV
then on the day of pentocost they received the promise
“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Peter then explains tbat Jesus has ascended to the right hand of God and has poured out the gift of his spirit and then you see tbat water and spirit are one baptism
…. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:3-4, 33, 37-39 KJV
the apostles were all baptized in water and later received the promise of the spirit and then they preached baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name , and that the Holy Ghost was a free gift to believers baptized or not but the Holy Spirit doesn’t remit sins baptism for remission of sins does based upon Jesus death and resurrection and our belief in him
jesus death is the o my thing tbat can remit sins that’s why we get baptized into his death ….
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I asked you " to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit is that what Jesus gave when he breathed on them in John 20:22 or in Acts 2:38?"
you said :
"yeah that’s why Jesus told them to wait until they received the holy spirit that he had preached to them in the gospel that they would receive later at pentocost … "
When Jesus appeared to them and said in John 20:21-22
“Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
In the Gospel of Luke chapter 24:36-39; 44-49
6 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”
45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And you are witnesses of these things.
49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry (wait)in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
Jesus, in both John and Luke, says something significant concerning the Holy Spirit. Many did not think it was done or happened until the day of Pentacost in Acts chapter 2.
In John chapter 20, Jesus, as resurrected Lord, said to the disciples, "Peace be unto you" and Breathed on them. In Greek, this "Breated" is emphysaō to blow or breathe upon, which is translated into the meaning pneuma, which is the Holy Spirit contextually.
The effect of this The Gospel of Luke says Jesus opened up their understanding of the scriptures. Luke 24:45
45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
Because they were able to comprehend the Scriptures concerning The Lord Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, which is a Gospel message, They had to have the Help of the Holy Spirit as Jesus said, and the Scriptures confirmed as Jesus breathed on them to receive the Holy Spirit "Pneuma" and after doing this, their understanding was open they had the Holy Spirit. That is what the text states.
Jesus said very clearly that the Empowerment of the Holy Spirit was to give them the ability to be a witness of the Resurrected Lord.
Acts 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
I asked you " to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit is that what Jesus gave when he breathed on them in John 20:22 or in Acts 2:38?"
you said :
"yeah that’s why Jesus told them to wait until they received the holy spirit that he had preached to them in the gospel that they would receive later at pentocost … "
When Jesus appeared to them and said in John 20:21-22
“Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
In the Gospel of Luke chapter 24:36-39; 44-49
6 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”
45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And you are witnesses of these things.
49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry (wait)in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
Jesus, in both John and Luke, says something significant concerning the Holy Spirit. Many did not think it was done or happened until the day of Pentacost in Acts chapter 2.
In John chapter 20, Jesus, as resurrected Lord, said to the disciples, "Peace be unto you" and Breathed on them. In Greek, this "Breated" is emphysaō to blow or breathe upon, which is translated into the meaning pneuma, which is the Holy Spirit contextually.
The effect of this The Gospel of Luke says Jesus opened up their understanding of the scriptures. Luke 24:45
45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
Because they were able to comprehend the Scriptures concerning The Lord Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, which is a Gospel message, They had to have the Help of the Holy Spirit as Jesus said, and the Scriptures confirmed as Jesus breathed on them to receive the Holy Spirit "Pneuma" and after doing this, their understanding was open they had the Holy Spirit. That is what the text states.
Jesus said very clearly that the Empowerment of the Holy Spirit was to give them the ability to be a witness of the Resurrected Lord.
Acts 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
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Here are your issues: you must explain how they had the Holy Spirt given to them in John 20:22, which opened their understanding of Christ in Luke 24:49, Yet did not have the Holy Spirit until Acts chapter 2, When Jesus said in the Gospel of John chapter 14 the Holy Spirit would be with you and in and come upon you.
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