Loss of salvation???

[Chester]

Why not?

Sounds like you are determined to make believers think they can lose their salvation.

I guess you can accuse me of whatever you want. My concern is that we rightly divide the Word of God. I want as many as possible to have eternal life by finding a deeply rooted faith in my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

[Chester]

Can a once truly saved believer backslide too much and lose the gift of salvation? If so do they need to repent and ask for forgiveness through Christ again? Thoughts are welcome and scripture too!

I would suggest the question you ask can simply lead to all kinds of fears, doubts, and theological quagmires.

Instead, I think the issue is quite simple: Do you (I) today believe in Jesus Christ as our atoning sacrifice?
Yes = heaven
No = hell

Deep Holy Spirit assurance results from true heart belief in Jesus Christ, not from theological beliefs.

 

[Musicmaster]

John 6 verse 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

I would suggest the question you ask can simply lead to all kinds of fears, doubts, and theological quagmires.

Instead, I think the issue is quite simple: Do you (I) today believe in Jesus Christ as our atoning sacrifice?
Yes = heaven
No = hell

Deep Holy Spirit assurance results from true heart belief in Jesus Christ, not from theological beliefs.

2 Timothy 2:11-13 KJV — It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Many have denied that this proves sliding into disbelief does not nullify salvation. The belief that one can lose his salvation is purely rooted in works-based salvation. There is no getting around that. The horrid taint of salvation by works thinking corrupts many a professing believers theology out there. The Greek is all too clear on Paul's meaning. That so many fail to understand these verses only shines a spotlight on the weaknesses of our English translations and/or the lack of critical reading comprehension skills taught by public education.

MM

 

[Chester]

2 Timothy 2:11-13 KJV — It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Many have denied that this proves sliding into disbelief does not nullify salvation. The belief that one can lose his salvation is purely rooted in works-based salvation. There is no getting around that. The horrid taint of salvation by works thinking corrupts many a professing believers theology out there. The Greek is all too clear on Paul's meaning. That so many fail to understand these verses only shines a spotlight on the weaknesses of our English translations and/or the lack of critical reading comprehension skills taught by public education.

MM

So do you believe then that the person who has truly been born again and has believed -- is then able to go back into unbelief, and even outrightly deny God, and (if he wants to) can curse and swear at God, and say that he does not want into God's heaven -- but that in the end God will still take him into heaven?