Did more than 3,000 people hear Peter's sermon the day of Pentecost?Where did I disagree with you? I just had you answer your own question. This is bias?
I'm not even sure I understood your question.
Did more than 3,000 people hear Peter's sermon the day of Pentecost?Where did I disagree with you? I just had you answer your own question. This is bias?
I'm not even sure I understood your question.
Did some respond who did not gladly receive the message and got baptized?
I'd like your answer to both.That wasn't your last question, this was:
I'd like your answer to both.
The obvious assumption is everyone there -all God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven- numbered 3k... hence, all were added.I'd like your answer to both.
It's a simple question: did anyone who did not gladly receive the sermon get baptized? The text says that those who gladly received were baptized. We know that the total number saved was 3,000. Out of the 3,000, were any other than those who gladly received and were baptized? In other words, were there some who did not gladly receive and did not get baptized who are part of the 3,000 who were saved?Re: the 3,000, asked and answered. Apart from Scripture I have no way of knowing how many heard and accepted Peter other than the 3,000 that's stated.
Re: your second question, I've told you I'm not certain I understand it, so please restate it or clarify it if you'd like an answer.
It's an odd and awkward question. The better question is, were there only 3k there?It's a simple question:
The plain meaning of verse 41 is that the ones who gladly received and were baptized are the same the 3,000. But clearly the city would have been filled with hundreds of thousands of Jews the day of Pentecost.It's an odd and awkward question. The better question is, were there only 3k there?
It is an obvious assumption either way, to say yes or no.
But also seems unrealistic to say everyone there came to belief.
Not that it is not possible.
Just as it seems unrealistic to assume that God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven only numbered 3k.
I agree with sentence number one. Number two I know not the answer to how many were present. But an AI Overview saysThe plain meaning of verse 41 is that the ones who gladly received and were baptized are the same the 3,000. But clearly the city would have been filled with hundreds of thousands of Jews the day of Pentecost.
It's a simple question: did anyone who did not gladly receive the sermon get baptized? The text says that those who gladly received were baptized. We know that the total number saved was 3,000. Out of the 3,000, were any other than those who gladly received and were baptized? In other words, were there some who did not gladly receive and did not get baptized who are part of the 3,000 who were saved?
Good. 3,000 were good soil. Were there any others in Jerusalem who heard the sermon but responded differently?Simple answer: looks like it all clearly flows together, literally: the [men] who accepted his word/message were baptized and added in that day about 3,000 souls.
About 3,000 accepted, were baptized, were added that day. That's what we're told. That's my answer.
The plain meaning of verse 41 is that the ones who gladly received and were baptized are the same the 3,000. But clearly the city would have been filled with hundreds of thousands of Jews the day of Pentecost.
Good. 3,000 were good soil. Were there any others in Jerusalem who heard the sermon but responded differently?
So, what is your conclusion - what is the harmonized explanation? God is impartial and He hardens hearts. Where does this leave us in your view?
My view is that Matthew's version of Isaiah 6:9 in Matt. 13:14-15 is the harmonization:
"You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people's heart has become calloused..."
I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. Grace and peace.Clear to you maybe and even possible, but all are estimates and speculations and such are discussed as estimations. And then there are other things we can throw at the Text and never get answered - how did 3,000 hear Peter? - were 100,000 (some say 250k, some say 30k, etc.) there where Peter was at the time? - how many at the snack bars and Jerusalem porta-johns and missed the best scene? - etc...
Speculate all you want and as wildly as you want or don't want. Join the crowd who do various estimations using various factors and call each other stupid for their estimations. The Text says what it says, and your argument is from silence.
If we started counting the arguments from silence studier makes, I wonder how astronomical the figure would be.I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. Grace and peace.
So, we're dealing with happened with people ultimately of their own accord and it is not based in the work of an impartial judge?
We've already discussed this also and shown you how the hardening of Pharoah is described.
Okay, let's harmonize John 12:39 with these: Rom 2:11, Gal 2:6, Eph 6:9, Col 3:25
I'm just reposting to see if I can get the Scripture look-up to work.