If someone knowingly chooses to believe false doctrine,

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Pilgrimshope

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People will fight to the death to go hell rather than believe correct doctrine. They will even try to convince themselves that God will allow them to get away with believing false doctrine just because they call it true.
Yes but not because they know that they are believing a lie , but rather because they heard the truth and didn’t believe it.

someone for instance who is of an Islamic faith . Just as many of us believe the Bible’s doctrine to be true , many of them believe the quoran to be the true words of the only true God. It’s hard to even write what they believe as a Christian but they have heard it and mostly believe it they are sure committed to it some of them do suicide bombings because they believe there is treasure and many wives awaiting them in the next life if they do it in service of allah

My point is only if you know something is a lie , you can’t also believe that it’s the truth “ knowing something is true “ is part of believing it.

false doctrine is so very dangerous because the doctrine presents itself as true and you have an immature Christian mind who doesn’t really know many details of doctrine then if they believe the fallacy to be true they can be led astray by it but the reason is they don’t know it’s false they think and are convinced it’s true

Its the principle of faith being used to distort thier beliefs rather than hearing Gods word about things and letting that form our beliefs because again we believe it’s true know it’s true even though we can’t prove it we know and believe it
 
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do you believe this person is a believer?

Study the term "believe"(th, d, s, ing) in the Gospel of John for your answer.
It will need to be the KJV.

Then you will find Jesus correcting His disciples after the resurrection. You will find this in the other gospels too, particularly Luke as I recall.

The Pauline epistles are full of the strongest rebukes about the believers who needed correcting due to trusting and allowing themselves to be influenced by false prophets.

Jesus Himself corrects His churches on certain false doctrines.

Regardless, IF they trusted the same Jesus including the substitutionary death, burial and resurrection, they have already received the complete saving gift of everlasting life.

Nothing can separate them from that love bestowed upon them.
 

Aaron56

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Yes but not because they know that they are believing a lie , but rather because they heard the truth and didn’t believe it.

someone for instance who is of an Islamic faith . Just as many of us believe the Bible’s doctrine to be true , many of them believe the quoran to be the true words of the only true God. It’s hard to even write what they believe as a Christian but they have heard it and mostly believe it they are sure committed to it some of them do suicide bombings because they believe there is treasure and many wives awaiting them in the next life if they do it in service of allah

My point is only if you know something is a lie , you can’t also believe that it’s the truth “ knowing something is true “ is part of believing it.

false doctrine is so very dangerous because the doctrine presents itself as true and you have an immature Christian mind who doesn’t really know many details of doctrine then if they believe the fallacy to be true they can be led astray by it but the reason is they don’t know it’s false they think and are convinced it’s true

Its the principle of faith being used to distort thier beliefs rather than hearing Gods word about things and letting that form our beliefs because again we believe it’s true know it’s true even though we can’t prove it we know and believe it
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This is the best explanation!
 
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Study the term "believe"(th, d, s, ing) in the Gospel of John for your answer.
It will need to be the KJV.

Then you will find Jesus correcting His disciples after the resurrection. You will find this in the other gospels too, particularly Luke as I recall.

The Pauline epistles are full of the strongest rebukes about the believers who needed correcting due to trusting and allowing themselves to be influenced by false prophets.

Jesus Himself corrects His churches on certain false doctrines.

Regardless, IF they trusted the same Jesus including the substitutionary death, burial and resurrection, they have already received the complete saving gift of everlasting life.

Nothing can separate them from that love bestowed upon them.
Jesus does not love unrepentant sinners in hell who were ultimately of false doctrine instead of being born-again.
 

Blade

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do you believe this person is a believer?
Does it touch salvation? Wanna talk about gifts or prosperity or baptism, grace things like this that do not touch salvation. Do we hear Yeshua/Jesus Christ came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day is seated at the right hand of the Father and the only way to the Father. False doctrine Jesus never rose, many ways to heaven. Ever look at the ones calling out false doctrine? Is it done with love to help things like that? Do they speak words of life? You always love you always want to help to put them back on the right path sort of thing. Its love and "prayer" that oddly gets left out.

Yes they are His Children just as everyone posting in this thread. Now believe or not the blind see the lame walk the dumb talk and the dead rise. He has not changed.

But one has to ask... whos the one here defining "false doctrine"? See so much of this is done on Youtube, X, Facebook so forth so on. Oh I love this song Bryan Duncan "I Surrender All"..

If I may.. 1st Cor 13, Galatians 5:22-23. Whats the reason the goal for pointing out this false doctrine? Like I said there are countless doing this every day in the His name yet its not of Him. He never once called them do to this. Yeah I am not the worlds, this nation, this cities pastor, prophet, Apostle. Just a bunch of branches going at each other thinking one is higher then the other. Most I believe do not do this if they see something they take it to the Father and pray for them the love them as He loves.