Returning curses back to sender?
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Have you heard of the idea of "soul prayer"? This is when someone prays contrary to God's will, not in the name of Jesus, but to punish another Christian for a perceived wrong. God will not answer such a prayer, but Satan will take advantage of it and attack the believer.
I have a real life experience of this. Decades ago, I married a single mother who attended a different church. One of the congregation thought that she was his responsibility, so to speak, and was most upset that she left the church. My wife at the time and I had no idea of this. After we were married, I became ill. I had no appetite and I felt unwell all the time. I ate little and lost a lot of weight. I was diagnosed with diverticulitis.
This went on for weeks. One day, I met up with someone from that church. He told me that I was being accused of taking my then wife away from the Lord. This was not true. We were fellowshipping elsewhere. I received a word from the Lord about what was going on.
"So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift." Matthew 5: 23 & 24
We went to see the individual. He defended himself, even though he'd publicly accused me. However, the illness lifted instantly and has never returned.
It is interesting that the responsibility to reconcile is with the innocent party. Very often, the offended one has no basis for the offence.
"An offended brother is harder to win than a fortified city, and disputes are like the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18:19
If the offended party is not willing to reconcile, that is not your problem. God will honour your obedience and any ill effects will lift.
Ask God to show you any issue that you have with another believer. Then see if it possible to resolve it. If they have a legitimate complaint, confess it as sin. The blood of Christ pays for that sin. If you cannot find out who has something against you, plead the blood of Christ over your life. My wife and I do this from time to time. We remind the devil that when he sees the blood of Christ, he must pass over us. The physical blood of a lamb was sufficient to protect Israel from the angel of death. How much more the precious blood of the Lamb of God.
Finally, ask God to remove any curse on any aspect of your life, including finances.
I have a real life experience of this. Decades ago, I married a single mother who attended a different church. One of the congregation thought that she was his responsibility, so to speak, and was most upset that she left the church. My wife at the time and I had no idea of this. After we were married, I became ill. I had no appetite and I felt unwell all the time. I ate little and lost a lot of weight. I was diagnosed with diverticulitis.
This went on for weeks. One day, I met up with someone from that church. He told me that I was being accused of taking my then wife away from the Lord. This was not true. We were fellowshipping elsewhere. I received a word from the Lord about what was going on.
"So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift." Matthew 5: 23 & 24
We went to see the individual. He defended himself, even though he'd publicly accused me. However, the illness lifted instantly and has never returned.
It is interesting that the responsibility to reconcile is with the innocent party. Very often, the offended one has no basis for the offence.
"An offended brother is harder to win than a fortified city, and disputes are like the bars of a castle." Proverbs 18:19
If the offended party is not willing to reconcile, that is not your problem. God will honour your obedience and any ill effects will lift.
Ask God to show you any issue that you have with another believer. Then see if it possible to resolve it. If they have a legitimate complaint, confess it as sin. The blood of Christ pays for that sin. If you cannot find out who has something against you, plead the blood of Christ over your life. My wife and I do this from time to time. We remind the devil that when he sees the blood of Christ, he must pass over us. The physical blood of a lamb was sufficient to protect Israel from the angel of death. How much more the precious blood of the Lamb of God.
Finally, ask God to remove any curse on any aspect of your life, including finances.
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I was cursed by my sister who is a wiccan but I told her she can use her mojo and I will show her the real thing my God vs her so called mahic well I was severely attacked by demons soon after but I stood in the authority of Christ and sent them back to hell I admit that some of them were very scary and strong and I almost faltered but I trusted God in the end
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While the Bible does seem to imply that curses (or deserved) curses can have power, I cannot find anything about Satan using prayers to God.
Some uses of 'soulish' Seem to rely on the concept of 'soul power' from Watchman Nee's work the latent power of the soul rather than anything in scripture.
I do not see how the scripture you quote indicates that the innocent party is the one with the obligation. I understand it is the person who does something along the lines of calling another 'raca' or 'thou fool' should have to go reconcile with that person for sending against him.
And in a lot of cases in scripture offense refers to calling someone to fall into sin. But of course it depends on the translation.
But in Matthew 18 the brother who is sinned against should confront their brother who sins against him.
Some uses of 'soulish' Seem to rely on the concept of 'soul power' from Watchman Nee's work the latent power of the soul rather than anything in scripture.
I do not see how the scripture you quote indicates that the innocent party is the one with the obligation. I understand it is the person who does something along the lines of calling another 'raca' or 'thou fool' should have to go reconcile with that person for sending against him.
And in a lot of cases in scripture offense refers to calling someone to fall into sin. But of course it depends on the translation.
But in Matthew 18 the brother who is sinned against should confront their brother who sins against him.
I lived in indonesia. My wife was really upset to find a bag on the little gate that went to the side of the house we were living in. She seemed to be freaking out but I asked her why she would be scared. It had black sand in it. She explained that was a form of witchcraft. Set a bothered her that someone would try to do witchcraft on us. She's suspected the neighbors made who she thought might be jealous and trying to gain my interest.
Before I married, housemate thought the maid liked me, and was jealous of the girlfriend that I eventually married, and I found hair in my hash browns That the maid had made. My friend explained that one of the forms of witchcraft was to put one's hair in someone's food. If that was the case it did not work.
Now and expect to hear it I knew from church who led the singing. He had a terrible and painful bout with kidney stones. He and his roommates had a maid and up over the door there was a ventilation openning, he found a plastic bag full of urine. He suspected his maid but he had not had any problems with her. He said he's a friendly person and maybe she thought he was flirting with him and didn't like him for that reason but he couldn't think of any source of conflict with anyone who could have a reason to do a harm.
It does seem interesting that his ailment was kidney stones and the apparent witchcraft amulet had to do with urine. It makes me wonder if there was some send there that opened up the door for if he wasn't diligent enough in prayer or what.
The church planter I met in Bali which is very Hindu spoke of the spiritually dark environment there and some ailment that came upon preacher there so he said they had to be in prayer. On that trip I did step in a hole and twist my ankle just a bit and right by the hole there was one of those little Hindu shrines. To be the God that it wasn't very severe. I dip my foot in the water below the waterfall we're going to visit but since it was the drop extra water wasn't cold.
Before I married, housemate thought the maid liked me, and was jealous of the girlfriend that I eventually married, and I found hair in my hash browns That the maid had made. My friend explained that one of the forms of witchcraft was to put one's hair in someone's food. If that was the case it did not work.
Now and expect to hear it I knew from church who led the singing. He had a terrible and painful bout with kidney stones. He and his roommates had a maid and up over the door there was a ventilation openning, he found a plastic bag full of urine. He suspected his maid but he had not had any problems with her. He said he's a friendly person and maybe she thought he was flirting with him and didn't like him for that reason but he couldn't think of any source of conflict with anyone who could have a reason to do a harm.
It does seem interesting that his ailment was kidney stones and the apparent witchcraft amulet had to do with urine. It makes me wonder if there was some send there that opened up the door for if he wasn't diligent enough in prayer or what.
The church planter I met in Bali which is very Hindu spoke of the spiritually dark environment there and some ailment that came upon preacher there so he said they had to be in prayer. On that trip I did step in a hole and twist my ankle just a bit and right by the hole there was one of those little Hindu shrines. To be the God that it wasn't very severe. I dip my foot in the water below the waterfall we're going to visit but since it was the drop extra water wasn't cold.
Romans 8 verse 31b, Hebrews 13 verse 6 ~ If God is for us, who can be against us? So we say with confidence: “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?”
Thank you for the inspiration .
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So you accept one scripture but not another.
Watchman Nee was correct about the power of the soul. It's how unbelievers live. Some are naturally strong, others develop their soul powers and some are both strong and developed. Some Christians also develop the soul, always at the expense of the spirit.
Ignorance of this principle leads to deception. It leads to error. Some churches have ceased to preach God's word, substituting "worship" instead. Prancing around on a stage, singing banal and repetitive rock songs is not worship. Neither is hyped up emotion. What's worse is that believers are fooled into thinking that they are pleasing God.
We are in the age that Paul warned about, where people want to be entertained rather than taught. So too many Christians stay as spiritual infants, dependent on others for their Christian life. And too many leaders are content to keep it that way.
You are falsely accusing me of accepting one scripture and not another. I said nothing about most of the Bible. That does not mean that I reject it.
You should read what I said again. The word I received was from God for a specific incident. If the offended individual does not obey God and speak to the one who offended him, then it is appropriate for the person who caused the offence to resolve it with the offended one. The person who falsely accused me did not see fit to talk it over with me. So I had to go to him. It's that simple.
Watchman Nee was correct about the power of the soul. It's how unbelievers live. Some are naturally strong, others develop their soul powers and some are both strong and developed. Some Christians also develop the soul, always at the expense of the spirit.
Ignorance of this principle leads to deception. It leads to error. Some churches have ceased to preach God's word, substituting "worship" instead. Prancing around on a stage, singing banal and repetitive rock songs is not worship. Neither is hyped up emotion. What's worse is that believers are fooled into thinking that they are pleasing God.
We are in the age that Paul warned about, where people want to be entertained rather than taught. So too many Christians stay as spiritual infants, dependent on others for their Christian life. And too many leaders are content to keep it that way.
You are falsely accusing me of accepting one scripture and not another. I said nothing about most of the Bible. That does not mean that I reject it.
You should read what I said again. The word I received was from God for a specific incident. If the offended individual does not obey God and speak to the one who offended him, then it is appropriate for the person who caused the offence to resolve it with the offended one. The person who falsely accused me did not see fit to talk it over with me. So I had to go to him. It's that simple.
The reason I ask this question is because in the church I came out of, returning the curses back to sender is what the leader practiced, and taught us. The same one I said who cursed me, because she did curse the entire group of people for not giving her donation. In the old testiment the church leader did this to Isreal, because they where always not giving tie money. He told me that it was not himself they did this to, but God. And he cursed them. The church leader I spoke of did the same thing. And when this happened I suffered losses because of my car. However on this topic because of what someone here said, sorry I looked for the post for credit, I had already been suffering problems with my money. It just happened that somethings happened to me.
The church leader would point to scripture saying that we are to return curses. One of those is, 'God will curse those who curse us.' And right now I don't know them, but she pointed to other scripture also.
But an error I know the church leaders was doing, was they would command belzabulb to break things for them. Commanding a demon to do something for them. Which I know is witchcraft, because this is what a witch does. On that, I think they just where making a mistake. Ignorant of the error.
Something I learned about returning curses, is, 'You are trying to save the person, and then they get cursed by you.' But on that one, the church leader would say, 'You are showing them God's power.' This is true, I returned a curse to someone as they did it in my face, and they later came looking for salvation from the curse.
A problem I see with is, returning death spirits to the person. If the person dies. The church leader would did say she returned death spirits and seen people die.
I seen God kill people too. Two of them died out of prophecy I spoke to them.
The church leader would point to scripture saying that we are to return curses. One of those is, 'God will curse those who curse us.' And right now I don't know them, but she pointed to other scripture also.
But an error I know the church leaders was doing, was they would command belzabulb to break things for them. Commanding a demon to do something for them. Which I know is witchcraft, because this is what a witch does. On that, I think they just where making a mistake. Ignorant of the error.
Something I learned about returning curses, is, 'You are trying to save the person, and then they get cursed by you.' But on that one, the church leader would say, 'You are showing them God's power.' This is true, I returned a curse to someone as they did it in my face, and they later came looking for salvation from the curse.
A problem I see with is, returning death spirits to the person. If the person dies. The church leader would did say she returned death spirits and seen people die.
I seen God kill people too. Two of them died out of prophecy I spoke to them.