John 3 and Water Baptism in the Ministry of Jesus Christ

[homwardbound]

Ditto, although I continually consider what the opposing argument to what I say might be, especially by atheists in the past
but also by judgmental, argumentative or even hateful folks on CC.

No flesh fights, that only causes problems. I see to stay out, by God telling me. Seeing the art of fighting without fighting, being Son’s style. Which I agree, is not easy. It is learned in faith, belief, trust to God Father in risen son, for me at least
so I am in learning mode Matt 10
it has floored me, in seeing Jesus go willingly to that cross without a flesh fight back at all.. Jesus even told Pontious Pilate. That Pilate had no power, when Pilate said to Jesus, do you not know the power I have?
stated, Jesus it is only allowed for now.
that cross to me is now the dividing line of all human history. Before/under Law. After/ upholding Law completed in Son for all to be new in Father’s Spirit and Truth, being dead to the first birth.
‘that has taken time for me to see and others I bet also. I can only speak for me. Being here on earth as Job in the book of Job, who would not deny God ever. Will others? I hope not, yet each person is accountable to themselves to choose.
i see what Paul in all his Epistles is trying to get across to us, especially in Phil 3, when he says okay, you think you righteous in what you do. Then let’s look at that. Himself more righteous in his self doing under Law that brought on sin and killed others in his trying to be righteous .
he gave up, all his own efforts under Law. To win in-the risen Son for him. To rest in
can we let goof self attitudes as being people better than others? I am no better than even Hitler anyone else better? Luke 18:9-14

 

[Wansvic]

In your examples, did the people looking at the serpent and walking around the city in response to God's word exemplify faith? Was it their obedience or their faith that led to the result. I can find where the Bible says we are saved through faith and that without faith it is impossible to please God. I can also find Jesus not performing miracles for lack of faith.

Can you show me in the scripture where it says anyone is saved through obedience? Or where people pleased God through obedience? Or where Jesus didn't perform miracles for lack of obedience?

The fact is, those who believed God would heal them by looking upon the serpent, looked upon it. It was their response due to their belief or faith that resulted in the healing. Likewise, those who believed that God would give victory through the instruction God gave were rewarded with victory by responding in faith to the word of God.

What if God had given different instructions in these examples? What if God had said to dig a hole in the sand to be cured of the snake bites? Would they not have been saved from death by doing so? Yes they would have. Why? Because they would have responded to the word of God in faith. The activity is not what saves. The belief that God will do as He says is.

This is what Ephesians 2:8-9 teaches. Salvation is by grace through faith. You conflate the outward activity to be cause of salvation, but God accounts the belief to be the means of salvation.

Those who believe and obey God receive what He promised. "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:38, 41

 

[Wansvic]

I don't argue that water baptism should be performed on those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. What I disagree with is what each baptism does. Being placed into the body of Christ is a spiritual reality, and not a physical reality. It does not occur when a physical act is performed. It happens when a spiritual action has taken place. If you explore Acts 2, one can conclude spiritual activity took place in verse 37 which lead to the question...what shall we do? There is hearing which includes understanding...the mind, pricking which involves...the heart, which act upon the will...what shall we do? They came to faith. They believed the word that Peter preached. Had they not believed, why bother with the question?

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Word of God > hearing > faith.
Peter preaches the word of God, it is heard, faith is present in them. So what happens in verse 37 of Acts 2 is exactly what Romans 10:17 says.
Further, Ephesians 2:8 teaches that we are saved by grace through faith. That being the case, if they have faith, they are already saved by the end of Acts 2:37. What Peter tells them to do in verse 38 and their obedience to it certainly demonstrates their faith, but is not its cause. They already possess that faith that produces their obedience.

Look back to post #26. You will find the same is true for the examples @Wansvic used. Faith always proceeds actions. We do what we believe.

"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." James 2:20-24

 

[Cameron143]

Those who believe and obey God receive what He promised. "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:38, 41

They that beleive are already saved. Those that don't believe remain under condemnation. But you got the order correct. People first believe, and then act.

 

[Cameron143]

"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." James 2:20-24

Works follow belief. I'm not opposed to works, except as a means of obtaining grace.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

They that beleive are already saved. Those that don't believe remain under condemnation. But you got the order correct. People first believe, and then act.

I'm bringing this up to you Cameron because you run into this now and then. Not everyone has ears to hear this. I think you do.

Acts 2:38 is the John 3:16 of certain denominations and others who require water baptism for salvation. (See my first post.)
We know John 3:16 and 17 and 18 is clear about salvation. There's no mention of baptism, but a retired episcopalian priest pigeonholed his form of water baptism into "born of the flesh" when I shared context from previous verses.
I see birth of the flesh coming from the mother, but what would I know? I'm just a man. We are supposed to believe that babies come from storks in the sky or from a baptistry.
💦🐣👶

For his favorite proof text of Acts 2:38, we should also look at the context. What came before that unique event?
Only ten days earlier was the prophecy from Jesus just before He ascended up to Heaven. You already read 2:38.
It's a big stretch, but I'm trying to figure out something. When He said in the previous chapter,

For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Vs 5

I wonder if He was referring to the Day of Pentecost?
If He was speaking of the 10 days later being the day they were to be "baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence", could 2:38 have a completely different meaning?

What do you think? Is there a connection?

 

[GWH]

No flesh fights, that only causes problems. I see to stay out, by God telling me. Seeing the art of fighting without fighting, being Son’s style. Which I agree, is not easy. It is learned in faith, belief, trust to God Father in risen son, for me at least
so I am in learning mode Matt 10
it has floored me, in seeing Jesus go willingly to that cross without a flesh fight back at all.. Jesus even told Pontious Pilate. That Pilate had no power, when Pilate said to Jesus, do you not know the power I have?
stated, Jesus it is only allowed for now.
that cross to me is now the dividing line of all human history. Before/under Law. After/ upholding Law completed in Son for all to be new in Father’s Spirit and Truth, being dead to the first birth.
‘that has taken time for me to see and others I bet also. I can only speak for me. Being here on earth as Job in the book of Job, who would not deny God ever. Will others? I hope not, yet each person is accountable to themselves to choose.
i see what Paul in all his Epistles is trying to get across to us, especially in Phil 3, when he says okay, you think you righteous in what you do. Then let’s look at that. Himself more righteous in his self doing under Law that brought on sin and killed others in his trying to be righteous .
he gave up, all his own efforts under Law. To win in-the risen Son for him. To rest in
can we let goof self attitudes as being people better than others? I am no better than even Hitler anyone else better? Luke 18:9-14

Yes, that is a sobering thought to realize that we all are free to be worse than Hitler
but for our conversion to the love of God in Christ. PTL!

 

[Cameron143]

I'm bringing this up to you Cameron because you run into this now and then. Not everyone has ears to hear this. I think you do.

Acts 2:38 is the John 3:16 of certain denominations and others who require water baptism for salvation. (See my first post.)
We know John 3:16 and 17 and 18 is clear about salvation. There's no mention of baptism, but a retired episcopalian priest pigeonholed his form of water baptism into "born of the flesh" when I shared context from previous verses.
I see birth of the flesh coming from the mother, but what wtryould I know? I'm just a man. We are supposed to believe that babies come from storks in the sky or from a baptistry.
💦🐣👶

For his favorite proof text of Acts 2:38, we should also look at the context. What came before that unique event?
Only ten days earlier was the prophecy from Jesus just before He ascended up to Heaven. You already read 2:38.
It's a big stretch, but I'm trying to figure out something. When He said in the previous chapter,

For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Vs 5

I wonder if He was referring to the Day of Pentecost?
If He was speaking of the 10 days later being the day they were to be "baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence", could 2:38 have a completely different meaning?

What do you think? Is there a connection?

I believe there are at least 4 baptisms spoken of in the NT:
...water baptism
...baptism with fire
...baptism with the Holy Spirit
...baptism by the Holy Spirit
That said, I believe the baptism spoken of in Acts 2:38 is water baptism. But it wasn't the only baptism that took place that day. I believe 2 others also took place. The first was the baptism with the Spirit. This was the falling of the Spirit upon the disciples in the form of cloves of fire. It was what was foretold in Joel 2:28 who quotes the passage in explanation of what was happening the day of Pentecost. It is what is spoken of by Jesus in Acts 1 as the power that would be endued on the disciples not many days hence, and is referred to as the promise of the Father.
In Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist says Jesus will baptize with the Holy Ghost and with fire. What happens to the disciples on Pentecost, and to many others throughout the book of Acts when the Spirit falls upon different groups is the baptism with the Spirit performed by Jesus and spoken of by John the Baptist in Matthew 3:11.
But there was another baptism that day, and that is the baptism of the Spirit that 3000 people that day experienced. The baptism of the Spirit is spoken of in 1 Corinthians 12:13 wherein the individual is placed into the body of Christ. This is what I believe is happening in Acts 2:37 as these individuals heard the preaching of Peter and were pricked in their hearts. This is the reason that they responded as they did. We can delve deeper into this if you like.
The last baptism is baptism with fire. You have heard the term trial by fire. These include the intense trials that God puts His children through to remove the dross from their lives.

Am glad to explore any of this in greater detail if you like.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I believe there are at least 4 baptisms spoken of in the NT:
...water baptism
...baptism with fire
...baptism with the Holy Spirit
...baptism by the Holy Spirit
That said, I believe the baptism spoken of in Acts 2:38 is water baptism. But it wasn't the only baptism that took place that day. I believe 2 others also took place. The first was the baptism with the Spirit. This was the falling of the Spirit upon the disciples in the form of cloves of fire. It was what was foretold in Joel 2:28 who quotes the passage in explanation of what was happening the day of Pentecost. It is what is spoken of by Jesus in Acts 1 as the power that would be endued on the disciples not many days hence, and is referred to as the promise of the Father.
In Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist says Jesus will baptize with the Holy Ghost and with fire. What happens to the disciples on Pentecost, and to many others throughout the book of Acts when the Spirit falls upon different groups is the baptism with the Spirit performed by Jesus and spoken of by John the Baptist in Matthew 3:11.
But there was another baptism that day, and that is the baptism of the Spirit that 3000 people that day experienced. The baptism of the Spirit is spoken of in 1 Corinthians 12:13 wherein the individual is placed into the body of Christ. This is what I believe is happening in Acts 2:37 as these individuals heard the preaching of Peter and were pricked in their hearts. This is the reason that they responded as they did. We can delve deeper into this if you like.
The last baptism is baptism with fire. You have heard the term trial by fire. These include the intense trials that God puts His children through to remove the dross from their lives.

Am glad to explore any of this in greater detail if you like.

I'm familiar with the baptisms.
It's just getting close to bedtime now and gotta wind down for sleep or I'll get my second wind and up half the night.

I'll leave you with this for now.
My one reason for the Acts 2:38 interpretation is the same term Jesus used in the previous chapter is used to the word in that verse. It doesn't have the word water with it, so I'd have to fill in with my preconceived evangelical/ Baptist preconceived notion of water. If there were 2 witnesses to the verse it would be strong ger, but I equate what Jesus said about the baptism along with the Holy Spirit in that special case.
Where it's plain, like Acts 10:47, if I remember correctly, then we see the gentiles getting saved by faith, receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, THEN getting water baptized.
I think that order puts salvation in perspective clearest in Acts.

 

[Cameron143]

I'm familiar with the baptisms.
It's just getting close to bedtime now and gotta wind down for sleep or I'll get my second wind and up half the night.

I'll leave you with this for now.
My one reason for the Acts 2:38 interpretation is the same term Jesus used in the previous chapter is used to the word in that verse. It doesn't have the word water with it, so I'd have to fill in with my preconceived evangelical/ Baptist preconceived notion of water. If there were 2 witnesses to the verse it would be strong ger, but I equate what Jesus said about the baptism along with the Holy Spirit in that special case.
Where it's plain, like Acts 10:47, if I remember correctly, then we see the gentiles getting saved by faith, receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, THEN getting water baptized.
I think that order puts salvation in perspective clearest in Acts.

I agree with that order.

 

[Gideon300]

A couple points to make. The bible says baptism saves us, 1 Peter 3:21. So, what are we saved from? It's our past sins. So then, yes, you can have been initially saved at the time of your immersion, but that saving is not guaranteed thereafter nor a free license to do whatever you like or reject the Lord that initially saved you. The Hebrews were warned of rejecting the Lord after their initial conversion in the Hebrews letter, so salvationcan be lost. Sin afterwards requires repentance and forgiveness also as the scriptures teach.

And the baptism of John and most likely that of Jesus's deciples prior to his death, was "the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins" similar to the baptism in Acts 2:38; the big difference is, while Jesus was yet alive, you couldn't be baptized into him or his death, so any baptism done while alive would have to be repeated to have the effect if remitting sins, unlike subsequent to Jesus's death wherein the baptism of Acts 2:38 was and is a one-time event, not requiring repeating, and only repentance and God's grace again necessary for continued forgiveness. Note too that the Ephesians were re-baptized into Christ having only initially been baptized unto John's baptism as recorded in Acts 19.

Yes, we are always saved ultimately by God's grace, but baptism IS required as well prior thereto: it's not a work, but rather a commandment that must be obeyed by the believer.

Again ignorance of what it means to be saved. I have decided to make a distinction between being saved and being born again. They are not the same thing. And Eli pointed out that "saved" is translated "delivered" in the Bibles in his native language (Albanian, I think). I've been saying this for years: saved has become Christian-speak for going to heaven when you die. This is untrue. If you are not in heaven before you die, you are not going there after death. We are included in Christ when we believe. That means we are now where He is. (Ephesians 2:6).

The deliverance that we experience in this lifetime is in the soul. The spirit is already new and of God. Jesus dwells in the born again spirit, not in the soul. The deliverance we experience includes the renewing of the mind, separation of soul and spirit and the self will turned Godwards to embrace His will. This is a process, not instant. Being born again is instantaneous.

No one is perfect instantly. We all come to Christ in different places. Some grow up in Christian homes and know what baptism is. Some have no idea (me included at the time). God evaluates us according to what we know, not what we do not know. If only Christians would do the same.......

If obedience was essential to salvation, no one would make it. The only Man to obey God perfectly is Jesus. He did what He saw the Father doing and said what He heard the Father saying. I rely entirely on Christ. He is my righteousness and holiness, I am acceptable to God in Him. Lord Jesus learned obedience by what He suffered (Hebrews 5:8). I can assure you that believers even more so have to learn obedience. It is invariably through getting it wrong and then learning what is right.

We come to Christ with all kinds of concepts and misconceptions. That's why we need the word of God to renew our minds. Again, it is not instantaneous.

This is where our "work" comes in. We won't learn anything if we do not study God's word for ourselves. We will will not get to know God unless we are willing to spend time with Him. We need to learn diligence. It is not automatic. Those who become complacent and self satisfied soon discover how real their faith is. Faith passes the test, presumption (baseless "faith") fails under pressure.

This is a vast subject that takes hours to cover. Even then, it only scratches the surface. Hopefully, something of what I've said will help you. I've learned all this the hard way.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

In Acts, believers couldn't wait to get baptized. They didn't dilly-dally around going: "Well, should I or shouldn't I?" They knew it was an integral part of the gospel and they just did it, right out of the gate.

Amen , Because they believed the promise that came with it.

 

[TrustandObey]

I guess, since you do not understand me, okay, however God loves us all, thank you
I tried, have a great day

If someone else can explain what you are saying I will try to respond.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

It is no more a work than Naaman dipping in the Jordan... he was obeying God. It was, for lack of a better word, a requirement to show his obedience. We do the same thing in baptism. The dunking in water doesn't physically DO anything, other than show obedience to what God asks of us. If we refuse to do that, or even make it an optional "good thing to do", we minimize the importance of it... it is our "death, burial, and resurrection" in obedience to God's will.

"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." James 2:20-24

While reading these posts, I was reminded of just how important water baptism is to God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”

15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

Jesus didn't have to be baptized, and yet He still went through with it. It was also so important to the Holy Spirit that He actually manifested Himself physically in the form of a dove and alighted on Jesus. And finally, even God the Father manifested Himself audibly (instead of physically seen lest we die on sight of Him) that He could actually be heard to be pleased with His Son.

The very choice for God the Father and the Holy Spirit to physically manifest is such a rare event that it should powerfully impact the Christian believer to realize how important this was to God and obey this simple command.

So the people who minimize the importance of water baptism should keep in mind that obeying this command is important to God Himself. We really shouldn't be minimizing it to new believers. If there is no obstruction to the new believer to be baptized, they should obey this command as soon as they're able to.

I also want to highlight @Wansvic 's post that Abraham was credited as righteous for obeying God in offering his son Isaac. But more than that, God considered Abraham His friend. It's high time that we stop thinking about our own benefit of being saved by God - it seems the faith-only group only wants to see what they can get out of God. I think we should move past what God can do for us and start obeying God to be a true friend to Him. God has done so much for us!


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[Melach]

I believe there are at least 4 baptisms spoken of in the NT:
...water baptism
...baptism with fire
...baptism with the Holy Spirit
...baptism by the Holy Spirit
That said, I believe the baptism spoken of in Acts 2:38 is water baptism. But it wasn't the only baptism that took place that day. I believe 2 others also took place. The first was the baptism with the Spirit. This was the falling of the Spirit upon the disciples in the form of cloves of fire. It was what was foretold in Joel 2:28 who quotes the passage in explanation of what was happening the day of Pentecost. It is what is spoken of by Jesus in Acts 1 as the power that would be endued on the disciples not many days hence, and is referred to as the promise of the Father.
In Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist says Jesus will baptize with the Holy Ghost and with fire. What happens to the disciples on Pentecost, and to many others throughout the book of Acts when the Spirit falls upon different groups is the baptism with the Spirit performed by Jesus and spoken of by John the Baptist in Matthew 3:11.
But there was another baptism that day, and that is the baptism of the Spirit that 3000 people that day experienced. The baptism of the Spirit is spoken of in 1 Corinthians 12:13 wherein the individual is placed into the body of Christ. This is what I believe is happening in Acts 2:37 as these individuals heard the preaching of Peter and were pricked in their hearts. This is the reason that they responded as they did. We can delve deeper into this if you like.
The last baptism is baptism with fire. You have heard the term trial by fire. These include the intense trials that God puts His children through to remove the dross from their lives.

Am glad to explore any of this in greater detail if you like.

what baptism could it be other than water in acts 2:38? when its telling them to be baptized.

if its belief and belief. theres no need to mention baptism at all.

 

[GWH]

Again ignorance of what it means to be saved. I have decided to make a distinction between being saved and being born again. They are not the same thing. And Eli pointed out that "saved" is translated "delivered" in the Bibles in his native language (Albanian, I think). I've been saying this for years: saved has become Christian-speak for going to heaven when you die. This is untrue. If you are not in heaven before you die, you are not going there after death. We are included in Christ when we believe. That means we are now where He is. (Ephesians 2:6).

The deliverance that we experience in this lifetime is in the soul. The spirit is already new and of God. Jesus dwells in the born again spirit, not in the soul. The deliverance we experience includes the renewing of the mind, separation of soul and spirit and the self will turned Godwards to embrace His will. This is a process, not instant. Being born again is instantaneous.

No one is perfect instantly. We all come to Christ in different places. Some grow up in Christian homes and know what baptism is. Some have no idea (me included at the time). God evaluates us according to what we know, not what we do not know. If only Christians would do the same.......

If obedience was essential to salvation, no one would make it. The only Man to obey God perfectly is Jesus. He did what He saw the Father doing and said what He heard the Father saying. I rely entirely on Christ. He is my righteousness and holiness, I am acceptable to God in Him. Lord Jesus learned obedience by what He suffered (Hebrews 5:8). I can assure you that believers even more so have to learn obedience. It is invariably through getting it wrong and then learning what is right.

We come to Christ with all kinds of concepts and misconceptions. That's why we need the word of God to renew our minds. Again, it is not instantaneous.

This is where our "work" comes in. We won't learn anything if we do not study God's word for ourselves. We will will not get to know God unless we are willing to spend time with Him. We need to learn diligence. It is not automatic. Those who become complacent and self satisfied soon discover how real their faith is. Faith passes the test, presumption (baseless "faith") fails under pressure.

This is a vast subject that takes hours to cover. Even then, it only scratches the surface. Hopefully, something of what I've said will help you. I've learned all this the hard way.

Re "being saved and being born again. They are not the same thing.": Wow!
FYI: Being born again (3:3-8) = believing Jesus is Messiah and being saved to eternal life (3:13-18)
I guess what Jesus said to Nick in 3:10-12 applies to you.
Hopefully, what Jesus said in 3:19-20 doesn't.

 

[homwardbound]

Those who believe and obey God receive what He promised. "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:38, 41

Then later on Peter preached to the Gentiles, the House of Cornelius and they were saved without water Baptism or any other ritual to get saved as the first chosen were.
they did get baptized water baptized, yet were saved before that in the evidence seen by Peter, who under Jewish Law entered a Gentile house illegally.
Peter went to the other disciples, exclaimed what happened to the gentiles without rituals
I do not know if they believed Peter, I do know James and one other went to Galatia to spy out the liberty, that Peter told them about. And Peter hid in fear again as he did when they arrested Jesus. Peter was in process learning to not fear and yet had fear. Learning rituals are now over. Which Paul rebuked Peter fro that hiding, and later when Peter wrote 1,2,3, Peter we get to see the learning curve he learned to stand in God alone and not fear, as he said good things about Paul in 3 Peter
Beleif God, receive truth from Gos and be new in God's Holy Spirit, John 4:23-24

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, that is a sobering thought to realize that we all are free to be worse than Hitler
but for our conversion to the love of God in Christ. PTL!

the only thing that ever changed me, is in the risen Son for me from God Father the two as won once for us all to be new in love and mercy to all thanks
Amazing to be freed from fear anger and remorse, to do in true Love as red by Father and Son to do it in the Holy Spirit given us to agree, even if do not fathom it yet

 

[GWH]

the only thing that ever changed me, is in the risen Son for me from God Father the two as won once for us all to be new in love and mercy to all thanks
Amazing to be freed from fear anger and remorse, to do in true Love as red by Father and Son to do it in the Holy Spirit given us to agree, even if do not fathom it yet

Yes, unity regarding the Gospel is more important than accuracy regarding doctrinal details. (PHP 3:7-16)

 

[mailmandan]

Yes, unity regarding the Gospel is more important than accuracy regarding doctrinal details. (PHP 3:7-16)

What's that saying. In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity.