Understanding God’s election
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In these type forums I've found there are any who miss that one.
Some sew intentionally.
Others create discord because we are all,those of us who are actually in Christ, the fakers know who they are and why they're here, hold to our understanding and will not concede others have a point.
Church congregations often experience the same thing when they gather together privately in home Bible study.
I think there is a difference between zeal for the word as compared to those who enter into a community of Christ and stir trouble just to bait reactions from the faithful
Some sew intentionally.
Others create discord because we are all,those of us who are actually in Christ, the fakers know who they are and why they're here, hold to our understanding and will not concede others have a point.
Church congregations often experience the same thing when they gather together privately in home Bible study.
I think there is a difference between zeal for the word as compared to those who enter into a community of Christ and stir trouble just to bait reactions from the faithful
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So I guess the Lord hates just the lying tongue and not the owner of the tongue? Or He hates just the feet that are swift in running to evil, but not the rest of the person to whom the feet are attached? I suppose tongues, feet, hands, etc. all have volitions of their own?
But I'm not surprised that you would define discord as any believer who shares the full counsel of God "among the brethren".
But I'm not surprised that you would define discord as any believer who shares the full counsel of God "among the brethren".
Scriptures such as? You mean the several verses you posted that @GWH responded to?
BTW, I didn't have an issue with a few of them. What I have an issue with is how you use Scriptures that don't say or mean what you say they do. For example, Rom9:13 and Amos5 below.
Beyond that what I personally have an issue with is your hateful attitude that sees hatred underlying everything. Hopefully you caught the Prov6 verse that both of us posted. You do know one of the uses of Scripture is as a mirror, correct?
You don't recognize these as things even though you use a word that denotes a thing?
I'm not responding to any of your TULIP thinking re: election at the moment. It's simply too far gone. Watching you twist and distort grace and election with the Remnant recently was so vividly clear that everyone should have noted what you will do to fight against Scripture to protect your traditions.
BTW, I didn't have an issue with a few of them. What I have an issue with is how you use Scriptures that don't say or mean what you say they do. For example, Rom9:13 and Amos5 below.
Beyond that what I personally have an issue with is your hateful attitude that sees hatred underlying everything. Hopefully you caught the Prov6 verse that both of us posted. You do know one of the uses of Scripture is as a mirror, correct?
You don't recognize these as things even though you use a word that denotes a thing?
I'm not responding to any of your TULIP thinking re: election at the moment. It's simply too far gone. Watching you twist and distort grace and election with the Remnant recently was so vividly clear that everyone should have noted what you will do to fight against Scripture to protect your traditions.
Sewing more discord?
You sound foolish when you prove you haven't read the poll thread.
A lie doesn't become the truth just because you repeat it.
As I said in the poll thread, I answered no. In point of fact I was the first to answer being it was,you know,a thread I started.
Now,let's move away from your intent to sew discord here,shall we?
You sound foolish when you prove you haven't read the poll thread.
A lie doesn't become the truth just because you repeat it.
As I said in the poll thread, I answered no. In point of fact I was the first to answer being it was,you know,a thread I started.
Now,let's move away from your intent to sew discord here,shall we?
He says and means exactly what He says. One of the primary issues with you is how you have zero problem with adding to His Word.
16 There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers. (Prov. 6:16-19 NAS)
Note how some of these are depersonalized but the last two are not.
You speak of hatred. Do you consider why you spread strife?
You're not protecting God. Quite the opposite.
16 There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers. (Prov. 6:16-19 NAS)
Note how some of these are depersonalized but the last two are not.
You speak of hatred. Do you consider why you spread strife?
NAS Proverbs 10:12 Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all transgressions.
NAS Proverbs12 A worthless person, a wicked man, Is the one who walks with a false mouth, 13 Who winks with his eyes, who signals with his feet, Who points with his fingers; 14 Who with perversity in his heart devises evil continually, Who spreads strife. 15 Therefore his calamity will come suddenly; Instantly he will be broken, and there will be no healing.
You're not protecting God. Quite the opposite.
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You are using the wrong word again. It should be sow, not sew. "Sow" means to spread or plant seeds.
It is consistent with the agricultural analogies and metaphors found throughout Scripture.
People use the wrong words all the time. Sew for sow, allude for elude, illusion for allusion, of for have. And Etc.
Some people are willing to learn from their mistakes. Others are not.
Fools despise correction.
It is consistent with the agricultural analogies and metaphors found throughout Scripture.
People use the wrong words all the time. Sew for sow, allude for elude, illusion for allusion, of for have. And Etc.
Some people are willing to learn from their mistakes. Others are not.
Fools despise correction.
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I did not explicitly disagree, but I did implicitly agree by saying "I see the world in those who will believe in me (all future converts including Gentiles) through their (the 12 Jewish disciples) message, which is the all nations ((Gentile) the disciples (Jewish) are commanded to evangelize and the other sheep (Gentiles).
Okay, I know that Calvinism was popularized in America during the Great Awakening by a dynamic Calvinist evangelist named
George Whitefield. As Wikipedia says, "It was a series of Christian revivals that swept Britain and its thirteen North American colonies in the 1730s and 1740s. The revival movement permanently affected Protestantism as adherents strove to renew individual piety and religious devotion. The Great Awakening marked the emergence of Anglo-American evangelicalism as a trans-denominational movement within the Protestant churches. In the United States, the term Great Awakening is most often used, while in the United Kingdom, the movement is referred to as the Evangelical Revival.[1]
Building on the foundations of older traditions—Puritanism, Pietism, and Presbyterianism—major leaders of the revival such as George Whitefield, John Wesley, and Jonathan Edwards articulated a theology of revival and salvation that transcended denominational boundaries and helped forge a common evangelical identity. Revivalists added to the doctrinal imperatives of Reformation Protestantism an emphasis on providential outpourings of the Holy Spirit. Extemporaneous preaching gave listeners a sense of deep personal conviction about their need for salvation by Jesus Christ and fostered introspection and commitment to a new standard of personal morality. Revival theology stressed that religious conversion was not only intellectual assent to correct Christian doctrine but had to be a "new birth" experienced in the heart. Revivalists also taught that receiving assurance of salvation was a normal expectation in the Christian life.
While the Evangelical Revival united evangelicals across various denominations around shared beliefs, it also led to division in existing churches between those who supported the revivals and those who did not. Opponents accused the revivals of fostering disorder and fanaticism within the churches by enabling uneducated, itinerant preachers and encouraging religious enthusiasm. In England, evangelical Anglicans would grow into an important constituency within the Church of England, and Methodism would develop out of the ministries of Whitefield and Wesley. In the American colonies, the Awakening caused the Congregational and Presbyterian churches to split, while strengthening both the Methodist and Baptist denominations. It had little immediate impact on most Lutherans, Quakers, and non-Protestants,[2] but later gave rise to a schism among Quakers that persists to this day."
And we might note it gave rise to a schism between TULIPists and MFWists that persists on CC to this day.
George Whitefield. As Wikipedia says, "It was a series of Christian revivals that swept Britain and its thirteen North American colonies in the 1730s and 1740s. The revival movement permanently affected Protestantism as adherents strove to renew individual piety and religious devotion. The Great Awakening marked the emergence of Anglo-American evangelicalism as a trans-denominational movement within the Protestant churches. In the United States, the term Great Awakening is most often used, while in the United Kingdom, the movement is referred to as the Evangelical Revival.[1]
Building on the foundations of older traditions—Puritanism, Pietism, and Presbyterianism—major leaders of the revival such as George Whitefield, John Wesley, and Jonathan Edwards articulated a theology of revival and salvation that transcended denominational boundaries and helped forge a common evangelical identity. Revivalists added to the doctrinal imperatives of Reformation Protestantism an emphasis on providential outpourings of the Holy Spirit. Extemporaneous preaching gave listeners a sense of deep personal conviction about their need for salvation by Jesus Christ and fostered introspection and commitment to a new standard of personal morality. Revival theology stressed that religious conversion was not only intellectual assent to correct Christian doctrine but had to be a "new birth" experienced in the heart. Revivalists also taught that receiving assurance of salvation was a normal expectation in the Christian life.
While the Evangelical Revival united evangelicals across various denominations around shared beliefs, it also led to division in existing churches between those who supported the revivals and those who did not. Opponents accused the revivals of fostering disorder and fanaticism within the churches by enabling uneducated, itinerant preachers and encouraging religious enthusiasm. In England, evangelical Anglicans would grow into an important constituency within the Church of England, and Methodism would develop out of the ministries of Whitefield and Wesley. In the American colonies, the Awakening caused the Congregational and Presbyterian churches to split, while strengthening both the Methodist and Baptist denominations. It had little immediate impact on most Lutherans, Quakers, and non-Protestants,[2] but later gave rise to a schism among Quakers that persists to this day."
And we might note it gave rise to a schism between TULIPists and MFWists that persists on CC to this day.
That's a lot of info. Thanks for the response. Too much for me to sort out other than to say when men have started talking revivals, I've always looked the other way. Seems in my past decades and surroundings it's been charismatics jetting off to join people barking like dogs as a perceived movement of the Spirit... So many people are nuts. Christians are people.
How about the anthro's?
How about the anthro's?