Which works justify?
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Forgive me, but I've learned that @Cameron143 seems to like to speak more in generalities.
If you see anything you'd like me to go to Scripture for, please let me know.
If you see anything you'd like me to go to Scripture for, please let me know.
Sure. Obedience doesn't maintain our salvation. Positionally, we are saved and placed into relationship with God when the Spirit places us into Christ. But obedience will always attend such a relationship because God is conforming us into the image of Christ. That's what Philippians 2:13 is all about. We find this exemplified in Hebrews 12 and the chastening hand of God to bring about obedience in us. But notice this chastisement is for His sons, and its purpose is not the to determine relationship. Sonship is already a given in that chastening is only given to those who are sons.
Now will answer my question?
Now will answer my question?
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@studier, I agree…faith and obedience cannot be separated. Just like faith and works..they go had in glove. A good biblical example is Naaman in 2 Kings 5.
One is righteous who does righteousness (1 Jn. 3:7). Since all of God’s commands are righteousness (Psalms 119:172), then one is righteous before God when he practices what God instructs him to do. His life is a pattern of ongoing righteous living.
— Roger D. Campbell
Believing is something we ourselves do (Acts 16:30-31). When the Jews asked Peter what shall we do, he said to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins (Acts 2:37-38). Those things would be obedience to the authority of Christ (Mt. 28:18).
People want to separate faith from and obedience, and that’s impossible.
One is righteous who does righteousness (1 Jn. 3:7). Since all of God’s commands are righteousness (Psalms 119:172), then one is righteous before God when he practices what God instructs him to do. His life is a pattern of ongoing righteous living.
— Roger D. Campbell
Believing is something we ourselves do (Acts 16:30-31). When the Jews asked Peter what shall we do, he said to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins (Acts 2:37-38). Those things would be obedience to the authority of Christ (Mt. 28:18).
People want to separate faith from and obedience, and that’s impossible.
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8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, (2 Tim. 1:8-9 NKJ)
How about this part?
How about this part?
Dude, I keep the 10 commandments, as I was commanded to. Do I fall short sometimes, yes I do. Just like Abraham.
Genesis 12: 11 - 13, 17 - 20
11 And it came to pass, when he was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarai his wife, Behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman to look upon:
12 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see thee, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive.
13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
17 And the Lord plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife.
18 And Pharaoh called Abram and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
19 Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.
20 And Pharaoh commanded his men concerning him: and they sent him away, and his wife, and all that he had
These guys clearly knew thou shalt not bear false witness and don't commit adultery. Abraham lied about his wife and got pharaoh in trouble. It occurred again in Genesis 20. I am an educator by occupation, and I teach Math. I always loved watching students try even when they are clearly horrible at math rather than watch them nothing and expect me to help them. I even call some of them good students when they are constantly failing math. GOD wants that from his children make an attempt to keep the 10 no one asked you to keep 10,000 laws. Solomon wrote that keeping the law is our whole duty. You expect to willingfully break GOD's laws and expect me to be please with that? I posted scripture time and time again when Jesus said do it. Which is why I asked you do you want me to outline how you keep each commandment?
Genesis 26: 2 - 5
2 And the Lord appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
See GOD is telling Isaac that Abraham kept his commandments but I showed an example where Abraham fell short, we have all fallen short of the glory of GOD which is why we need Jesus. You told me you do keep the commandments which meant you lied. You don't even bother trying and the book said you are lying and the truth in you. I didn't say that the bible did.
Genesis 12: 11 - 13, 17 - 20
11 And it came to pass, when he was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarai his wife, Behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman to look upon:
12 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see thee, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive.
13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
17 And the Lord plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife.
18 And Pharaoh called Abram and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
19 Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.
20 And Pharaoh commanded his men concerning him: and they sent him away, and his wife, and all that he had
These guys clearly knew thou shalt not bear false witness and don't commit adultery. Abraham lied about his wife and got pharaoh in trouble. It occurred again in Genesis 20. I am an educator by occupation, and I teach Math. I always loved watching students try even when they are clearly horrible at math rather than watch them nothing and expect me to help them. I even call some of them good students when they are constantly failing math. GOD wants that from his children make an attempt to keep the 10 no one asked you to keep 10,000 laws. Solomon wrote that keeping the law is our whole duty. You expect to willingfully break GOD's laws and expect me to be please with that? I posted scripture time and time again when Jesus said do it. Which is why I asked you do you want me to outline how you keep each commandment?
Genesis 26: 2 - 5
2 And the Lord appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
See GOD is telling Isaac that Abraham kept his commandments but I showed an example where Abraham fell short, we have all fallen short of the glory of GOD which is why we need Jesus. You told me you do keep the commandments which meant you lied. You don't even bother trying and the book said you are lying and the truth in you. I didn't say that the bible did.
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We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Do you not find it the least disingenuous on your part to ask me to answer your questions while you refuse to answer mine?
I wouldn't word this as you have, but being saved through faith is necessary to salvation, and exercising faith is how we manifest what we believe. Sanctification requires a continual stream of truth to believe in order to exercise.
Now will you answer: is obedience necessary to maintain your salvation?
I wouldn't word this as you have, but being saved through faith is necessary to salvation, and exercising faith is how we manifest what we believe. Sanctification requires a continual stream of truth to believe in order to exercise.
Now will you answer: is obedience necessary to maintain your salvation?
Well James was using an example. Some men were even called perfect in the bible.
Genesis 6: 8 - 12 and Job 1: 1 but why were they perfect?
Psalms 19: 7 - 8
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
They were described as perfect because they walked in GOD's royal law as best as they could. So when GOD showed up to Abraham and told him walk before him and be perfect he was simply telling Abraham to walk in his commandments, that's why these men had such great faith. Too many people dodging that simple fact. That's why Paul wrote yea we establish the law because we going to need them serve Jesus.
Psalms 119: 172
172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
Genesis 6: 8 - 12 and Job 1: 1 but why were they perfect?
Psalms 19: 7 - 8
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
They were described as perfect because they walked in GOD's royal law as best as they could. So when GOD showed up to Abraham and told him walk before him and be perfect he was simply telling Abraham to walk in his commandments, that's why these men had such great faith. Too many people dodging that simple fact. That's why Paul wrote yea we establish the law because we going to need them serve Jesus.
Psalms 119: 172
172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
In Matthew 5 Jesus said this:
Matthew 5: 18 - 20
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So, is heaven and earth still here? Obviously yes so GOD's ten commandments are still in full force. The put the blood of bulls and goats on the veil of temple not the 10 commandments. Least in the kingdom of heaven means you are heading to the lake of fire. So I really hope you are not teaching against Jesus 10 commandments because they are his.
Also Jesus double down on the royal law when he came, now if you hate your enemy you are a murderer. Which is why he told you to love them. I already answered your question, you are being intentionally vague, and you are doing that because you don't keep the commandments which is why I asked you straight out do you keep them. You said yes.
Matthew 5: 18 - 20
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So, is heaven and earth still here? Obviously yes so GOD's ten commandments are still in full force. The put the blood of bulls and goats on the veil of temple not the 10 commandments. Least in the kingdom of heaven means you are heading to the lake of fire. So I really hope you are not teaching against Jesus 10 commandments because they are his.
Also Jesus double down on the royal law when he came, now if you hate your enemy you are a murderer. Which is why he told you to love them. I already answered your question, you are being intentionally vague, and you are doing that because you don't keep the commandments which is why I asked you straight out do you keep them. You said yes.
Which works justify?
None..... because it only takes one sin and we are condemned to eternal death.
All have sinned so we are all condemned to death
No amount of good works can undo the sins we have committed..
Jesus is our only hope
By FAITH in Jesus we can be forgiven and redeemed, we are Justified by faith alone.
But Jesus can choose who He will justify and who He will not justify.
This is called the judgement..
True faith will result in a changed heart and a changed life, a life that is obedient and follows the Spirit, works that are after the Spirit are a result of true faith.
So works are important... not to justify but to show our faith.
None..... because it only takes one sin and we are condemned to eternal death.
All have sinned so we are all condemned to death
No amount of good works can undo the sins we have committed..
Jesus is our only hope
By FAITH in Jesus we can be forgiven and redeemed, we are Justified by faith alone.
But Jesus can choose who He will justify and who He will not justify.
This is called the judgement..
True faith will result in a changed heart and a changed life, a life that is obedient and follows the Spirit, works that are after the Spirit are a result of true faith.
So works are important... not to justify but to show our faith.