What is sexually immoral in marriage?

[JamieJ3]

This is how I lean: I think God intended some parts to be exit only. Unnatural activity there can lead to medical issues as well.
As for another act, there seems to be more data that it is responsible for some surge in oral cancer.
Sticking with parts intended to go together would be ideal. I think there's more leeway when just hands are involved rather than mouths. Maybe I did not say too much.

As for some of these "fantasies" mentioned. That's just twisted. Seems to lack purity. That's my opinion.

 

[Karlon]

This is how I lean: I think God intended some parts to be exit only. Unnatural activity there can lead to medical issues as well.
As for another act, there seems to be more data that it is responsible for some surge in oral cancer.
Sticking with parts intended to go together would be ideal. I think there's more leeway when just hands are involved rather than mouths. Maybe I did not say too much.

As for some of these "fantasies" mentioned. That's just twisted. Seems to lack purity. That's my opinion.

millions disagree with the "mouth" portion. considering pre-prep, mouths are fine, i believe. i just saw a posting from a Biblical source saying only sodomy is sinful. by course, naturally, if an act is uncomfortable then you have to understand your spouse.

 

[JamieJ3]

millions disagree with the "mouth" portion. considering pre-prep, mouths are fine, i believe. i just saw a posting from a Biblical source saying only sodomy is sinful. by course, naturally, if an act is uncomfortable then you have to understand your spouse.

So? Millions are also going to hell, unfortunately. That comment is about your logic, not this issue.
Relating to this, I never said it was a sin. I just stated that there seems to be good evidence it is increasing cancer problems. Assuming that data is accurate and true, then that says something. I can't say 100% one way or another.
I assume you mean pre-prep as taking precautions for that act. That makes me ask: Should we need special precautions to prevent disease for something that we're doing that's right, holy, acceptable, etc?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

May I just state how refreshing it is to read statements from Christian men who believe this way?

I have known Christian wives who were regularly forced into "alternatives" by their husband when having their normal monthly cycles, or during/after pregnancy, etc., because their husbands said, "I have needs, and as my wife, your body belongs to me, and you are to fulfill my desires."

My heart breaks in sorrow for anyone having to endure this, and worse yet, being told that this is the will of God.

Now, if couples are both in agreement to it and are willing? I honestly don't know. I have my own thoughts, which tend to lean more on the conservative side, but I encourage any couple to talk this out in counseling and a lot of prayer.

And I certainly don't want to sound at all like I am somehow blaming or accusing men. Not at all. Stories like this just make me thank God all the more for the GOOD men we have out there, and I'm sure there are equally horrifying stories of wives abusing their husbands as well.

It's just that I'm a woman, and while I have had men tell me about some things in their lives too, most often, it's been other women who have shared their stories, so I can only go with what I've heard or read.

Thank you to our Christian men who are upholding dignity and respect for both men AND women!

Sees thread topic, gets nosy, reads several posts and backs slowly out of the room and closes door quietly.

 

[Karlon]

So? Millions are also going to hell, unfortunately. That comment is about your logic, not this issue.
Relating to this, I never said it was a sin. I just stated that there seems to be good evidence it is increasing cancer problems. Assuming that data is accurate and true, then that says something. I can't say 100% one way or another.
I assume you mean pre-prep as taking precautions for that act. That makes me ask: Should we need special precautions to prevent disease for something that we're doing that's right, holy, acceptable, etc?

So? Millions are also going to hell, unfortunately. That comment is about your logic, not this issue.
Relating to this, I never said it was a sin. I just stated that there seems to be good evidence it is increasing cancer problems. Assuming that data is accurate and true, then that says something. I can't say 100% one way or another.
I assume you mean pre-prep as taking precautions for that act. That makes me ask: Should we need special precautions to prevent disease for something that we're doing that's right, holy, acceptable, etc?

no, my comment is about the issue. i don't prefer really, to respond to these sensitive issues but only do in that i may steer someone in the right direction or possibly teach something. i assume we all on CC can converse in this matter professionally & in a trustworthy manner. this will be my last comment: in my opinion, mouths & fronts are fine do to anything you want. by course, i agree that the back is off limits. pre-prep is proper cleansing before & after romance. no, no special precautions to prevent disease.

 

[Lynx]

Sees thread topic, gets nosy, reads several posts and backs slowly out of the room and closes door quietly.

Ayup.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

So? Millions are also going to hell, unfortunately. That comment is about your logic, not this issue.
Relating to this, I never said it was a sin. I just stated that there seems to be good evidence it is increasing cancer problems. Assuming that data is accurate and true, then that says something. I can't say 100% one way or another.
I assume you mean pre-prep as taking precautions for that act. That makes me ask: Should we need special precautions to prevent disease for something that we're doing that's right, holy, acceptable, etc?

When I was in nursing school, I did come across several medical studies on mouth and throat cancers caused by that act. God seems to always create some highly dangerous and terminal STDs for certain sexual acts to discourage people from taking part in those specific activities, so I take it that the cancer of the mouth and throat because of that is one of them.


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[Texasgal]

I’m my line of work there’s always some mandatory classes about STD.

I will bring to the table some of the most important learning points that have been taught.

To be blunt. Backyard activities poses a risk of STD but also even more serious diseases. I guess that this was a known fact already in Biblical times. The reason, from what I understand, is that there are functions of the body that are highly receptive to externally induced bacteria and viruses in the backyard area. No wonder Scripture is not accepting this.

The mouth and throat area is receptive to this as well.

So there’s medical reasons to why these practices should be avoided.

 

[Karlon]

When I was in nursing school, I did come across several medical studies on mouth and throat cancers caused by that act. God seems to always create some highly dangerous and terminal STDs for certain sexual acts to discourage people from taking part in those specific activities, so I take it that the cancer of the mouth and throat because of that is one of them.


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that's an enlightening thought on this subject. probably a lot of people will assent to that & act on that belief. in all areas of life there is a "pro" & a "con", something to tell you "do or don't do that". by course, we Christians always have the H.S. leading, teaching, counseling & guiding us thru life nudging us on the "rights" & "wrongs".

 

[Smoke]

Some of you might want to cover your eyes, and I do apologise for the graphic nature of what I'm about to say.

Lee, you don't want an opinion, but you didn't rule out an observation:

Wisdom calls on a woman to keep her mouth free from perversity, touching on her speech. There is no variation where holiness is the standard, so I don't see how any man could want the lips of his wife, which have been put into service by the Spirit, to then consent to sucking his you know what with said lips. If holiness is our frame of reference, I can't harmonize the two, which tells me one is done in error.

As an unbeliever who walked out on the world to step into the faith, my mind has been where yours is. The more intimate you are with the holiness of Jesus, the better placed you will be to determine what is right and proper concerning intimacy between yourself and your future wife.

The entailment of the bolded above is that it ISN'T holy for a man and wife to enjoy each other's bodies. There is a school of thought that God blesses physical intimacy which includes oral sex but within the bounds of marriage. If this is true, how then can a blessed act then be unholy? What is the confusion between a married couple utilizing their bodies for physical intimacy and using their bodies to come together to worship the Lord?

Question: Do you believe sex between husband and wife should only be done to procreate out of curiosity?

I've been investigating the Orthodox church and they consider a lot of the extracurricular activities as deviant in nature. It's a bit different than what I was taught and what I've read but I'm willing to consider that perhaps I'm wrong in my understanding if someone can make a case.

 

[Smoke]

millions disagree with the "mouth" portion. considering pre-prep, mouths are fine, i believe. i just saw a posting from a Biblical source saying only sodomy is sinful. by course, naturally, if an act is uncomfortable then you have to understand your spouse.

"Only sodomy is sinful." I'm quite ignorant as I learned as recent as the last 6 months that oral sex is considered "sodomy".

 

[Smoke]

When I was in nursing school, I did come across several medical studies on mouth and throat cancers caused by that act. God seems to always create some highly dangerous and terminal STDs for certain sexual acts to discourage people from taking part in those specific activities, so I take it that the cancer of the mouth and throat because of that is one of them.


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Do studies indicate that the cause for oral cancers is due to oral sex with people in general or exclusively oral sex with people who have STDs?

If it's due to STDs, then it wouldn't really be any different as many STDs, like HPV for example, can lead to cancer in other areas of the body. Looks like those people should be avoided if you want to minimize risks. If it causes cancer even with people who were STD-free, then that would be a big eye opener and something worth discussing amongst married couples.

 

[HeIsHere]

Do studies indicate that the cause for oral cancers is due to oral sex with people in general or exclusively oral sex with people who have STDs?

If it's due to STDs, then it wouldn't really be any different as many STDs, like HPV for example, can lead to cancer in other areas of the body. Looks like those people should be avoided if you want to minimize risks. If it causes cancer even with people who were STD-free, then that would be a big eye opener and something worth discussing amongst married couples.

Certain microbes live in certain parts of the body for certain reasons (not STD related) and do no belong in other parts of the body unless you want to use bleach continually, doubt that would be healthy.

 

[GaryA]

No wonder Scripture is not accepting this.

What scripture does not accept is that which is 'against nature' or not according to the 'natural use'.

Based on all that the Bible tells us, this will include anything that is not one man and one woman.

The question that remains is - is it 'against nature' or not-the-natural-use even within a marriage?

I consider the "backyard activities" (as you put it) to be totally against nature and not-the-natural-use - even in a marriage involving one man and one woman. Of this, there can be no doubt whatsoever.

All good questions concerning the other 'acts'.

I know one thing - if the world "glorifies" it - that should probably be taken as a red-flag warning - to be given some very serious thought-provoking consideration...

Something else - if the Lord ever sees fit for me to find a wife and get married - I have no intentions to try to "force" her into 'acts' that she would feel uncomfortable doing - to me, that is not in line with the kind of loving-kindness relationship that I would hope that we should share together. Obviously, of course, I would expect that she would be wanting to have "normal sex" activities (by some good defintion) in our marital relationship.

In any case, I believe that the proper attitude(s) between husband and wife towards each other would preclude any "undesirable" activity in the relationship.

 

[GaryA]

I'm quite ignorant as I learned as recent as the last 6 months that oral sex is considered "sodomy".

By who? And, how does their definition of 'sodomy' hold up to scrutiny when compared to what the Bible tells us?

What is the rationale?

 

[Lynx]

This thread is starting to remind me of one time at my job when somebody said, "Hey Isaac, you know computers. What kind of laptop should I get?"

Normally my first answer is a question, namely what do they want to do with the computer? After a few questions about what they want, I might be able to answer the question.

But before I could say one word, multiple people piped up and started giving their opinions about different brands of computers. Not specific models, just Dell and Acer and HP. All the people giving their opinions so freely had never done anything with a computer except hit the power button and use the browser to go to YouTube, email and Facebook.

Meanwhile I, the one who actually partitioned hard drives, swapped out RAM chips and installed operating systems, was standing in the corner unable to get a word in edgewise.

My point is, there are a lot of single people spouting opinions in a thread with a topic they probably don't know much about. I know the OP bears the bulk of the blame for this, as he put this thread in the singles forum. But that doesn't mean we know anything about it, or that we should glibly give our opinions about it.

 

[Kainos]

The entailment of the bolded above is that it ISN'T holy for a man and wife to enjoy each other's bodies. There is a school of thought that God blesses physical intimacy which includes oral sex but within the bounds of marriage. If this is true, how then can a blessed act then be unholy? What is the confusion between a married couple utilizing their bodies for physical intimacy and using their bodies to come together to worship the Lord?

Question: Do you believe sex between husband and wife should only be done to procreate out of curiosity?

I've been investigating the Orthodox church and they consider a lot of the extracurricular activities as deviant in nature. It's a bit different than what I was taught and what I've read but I'm willing to consider that perhaps I'm wrong in my understanding if someone can make a case.

Not so much theology, as a line of reasoning which I've settled in my own mind.

If I were married, my wife's body, being a temple of the Holy Spirit, would not be an open-ended instrument for my own pleasure. I dare say that if God intended for me to stick my jimmy in a woman's mouth or keister, she'd have been born with a hymen for every opening.

I have no issue with sexual intimacy between a husband and wife, but too much of a good thing isn't necessarily good for the soul. If something pleasurable is done to excess, there's always the hazard of pushing boundaries to keep alive the excitement.

 

[Smoke]

By who? And, how does their definition of 'sodomy' hold up to scrutiny when compared to what the Bible tells us?

What is the rationale?

I've not done a biblical examination of the term "sodomy" as it hasn't interested me much, however, secularly, it's been defined by our legal system to include oral sex. My knowledge, biblically, has the term isolated to a reference of anal sex. I am unfamiliar (lack of research on my part) if it leaves the ability to broaden the scope or if it's exclusively in reference to that. Nevertheless, society has absolutely included oral sex into the scope.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Do studies indicate that the cause for oral cancers is due to oral sex with people in general or exclusively oral sex with people who have STDs?

If it's due to STDs, then it wouldn't really be any different as many STDs, like HPV for example, can lead to cancer in other areas of the body. Looks like those people should be avoided if you want to minimize risks. If it causes cancer even with people who were STD-free, then that would be a big eye opener and something worth discussing amongst married couples.

The thing though is that oftentimes there are no symptoms that surface so the carrier might not even know they're infected and pass it on to someone else. So God created STDs to discourage His people from sleeping around and having numerous partners. If His people follow God's plans for marriage and take their time while not messing around with other people, they should be free and clear of STDs to enjoy their spouse without worry when they marry. Nevertheless, I'm still not sure if oral activities are okay in God's sight.

If you've ever worked at a hospital, you'll see A LOT of things. We had a patient in the unit I worked in. She had a pretty bad throat infection and she was put into an isolation room right across from the nurses' station and just ugh.... I don't think it was all worth the trouble she went through and no her partner did NOT have an STD. So other things can cause health problems besides STDs from doing oral activities.


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[GaryA]

This thread is starting to remind me of one time at my job when somebody said, "Hey Isaac, you know computers. What kind of laptop should I get?"

Normally my first answer is a question, namely what do they want to do with the computer? After a few questions about what they want, I might be able to answer the question.

But before I could say one word, multiple people piped up and started giving their opinions about different brands of computers. Not specific models, just Dell and Acer and HP. All the people giving their opinions so freely had never done anything with a computer except hit the power button and use the browser to go to YouTube, email and Facebook.

Meanwhile I, the one who actually partitioned hard drives, swapped out RAM chips and installed operating systems, was standing in the corner unable to get a word in edgewise.

My point is, there are a lot of single people spouting opinions in a thread with a topic they probably don't know much about. I know the OP bears the bulk of the blame for this, as he put this thread in the singles forum. But that doesn't mean we know anything about it, or that we should glibly give our opinions about it.

Your post has merit; however...

Do you think that it might be possible for someone who has not done the things you have done to still have a valid opinion about computers - based on other related criteria - such as user experience?

I am quite sure that I have done far more "[high-]tech things" with computers than you have; yet, I still think that there are plenty of other folks (including you) who have insights that other folks may find valuable.

The one that "knows the most" is not always the optimal solution-giver - it depends on what the intent of the question is. If the person who asked it is less interested in the 'tech' details as they are in other factors - well - they may experience "tech-overload" from the information you offer.

Of course, no doubt you could/would/did give them some good and valuable information based on your experience. Therefore, your opinion would count for something - hopefully, they decided to hear what you had to say - especially, since they specifically asked you the question.

Nonetheless, my point relative to the thread topic - with regard to what you have said - is this...

It is possible that a person (even a single person) who posts in this thread:

~ may have had sexual experience - from which some worthwhile insight may be had.

~ may have health/medical knowledge - from which some worthwhile insight may be had.

~ may have looked into what the Bible says - from which some worthwhile insight may be had.

No-doubt we could add to this list if we thought about it for a while longer.

I would agree that some "very experienced" married folks might have good insights to offer.

Someone who "glibly" gives their opinion may actually know something that has value.

Why throw such a large blanket with the word 'probably'?