Testing gift of prophecy on christianchat.

[Blain]

Well certain letters speaking about a turning away from the truth or the falling away from the believe.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
"And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
2.Tim. 4,3-4

Matthew 24,11
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."

Matthew 24,24
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

All this verses are adressed to believers in Christ! So for me its clear that Christians are meant.

well tecnically it just speaks of a turning away from the truth in general it doesn't speak of a specific people here this could be believers or jews in this case

 

[wolfwint]

In CA, where I live, we are seen Rivial. And the judgment of GOD, too. Where sin abound, GrACE did much more abound. Do you know why we are seeing it? We prayed for it. God is answering. We are seeing people saved, healed, and delivered. We are seeing Christians sharing the Gospel in our public schools. We have now moved to two services each Sunday because of the revival God has brought. If you want to see revival, you must pray for it.

Fine if it is so. Praise the Lord!

 

[wolfwint]

well tecnically it just speaks of a turning away from the truth in general it doesn't speak of a specific people here this could be believers or jews in this case

Believe what you want. It will come, because bible tells it so. And this is relevant for me!

 

[Blain]

Believe what you want. It will come, because bible tells it so. And this is relevant for me!

I a, mpt sayomh ot won't come or hasn't already come my thing is will it involve the church or Israel the verses shown do nott say who just the what, who is to say the falling away hasn't already come?

 

[wolfwint]

I a, mpt sayomh ot won't come or hasn't already come my thing is will it involve the church or Israel the verses shown do nott say who just the what, who is to say the falling away hasn't already come?

Then you should read again chapter 2 of 2. Thessalonians. The falling away is combined with the coming of a certain person!
This person had not came till now!

 

[Blain]

Then you should read again chapter 2 of 2. Thessalonians. The falling away is combined with the coming of a certain person!
This person had not came till now!

uf you mean the antichrist he has not yet been revealed and when he does come that will in fact involve Israel so no the falling away would not be for the church, you said the verses you posted addressed the believers in Christ but it nowhere mentions that no who just the what and aside from the son of perdition the falling away could only be Israel because he will lead astray many yes but if you notice he makes a certain deal with Israel and is heavily involved in rebuilding the third temple only to proclaim himself God.

So again it seems the falling away must be with Israel not the believers in Christ

 

[Howdy]

I ignore anything said by a person that says God told me, God spoke to me in a dream, I have a new prophecy.

 

[Cameron143]

I ignore anything said by a person that says God told me, God spoke to me in a dream, I have a new prophecy.

God spoke to me in a dream and gave me a word of prophecy to ignore you.

 

[Howdy]

God spoke to me in a dream and gave me a word of prophecy to ignore you.

OK

 

[Cameron143]

OK

I was just messing with you. Welcome to the site.

 

[Howdy]

I was just messing with you. Welcome to the site.

Thanks, I thought as much.
But being ignored by some is often best.
Saves a lot of time correcting them.

 

[Cameron143]

Thanks, I thought as much.
But being ignored by some is often best.
Saves a lot of time correcting them.

Don't grow weary in well doing.

 

[Howdy]

Don't grow weary in well doing.

I agree but Jesus, when he sent the 70 out instructed them to teach those who will receive you and walk away from those who will not shaking the dust off your feet.
I think we may waste time on some who will never listen when there are others who are waiting to hear.
Time is short, Use it wisely.

 

[Cameron143]

I agree but Jesus, when he sent the 70 out instructed them to teach those who will receive you and walk away from those who will not shaking the dust off your feet.
I think we may waste time on some who will never listen when there are others who are waiting to hear.
Time is short, Use it wisely.

Also agree. It is important to be able to recognize where God is at work, and join Him in it.

 

[Blain]

I ignore anything said by a person that says God told me, God spoke to me in a dream, I have a new prophecy.

I wouldn't simply ignore it but instead use discernment as it says

And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels] and your young men shall see visions (divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream [divinely suggested] dreams

 

[ResidentAlien]

I ignore anything said by a person that says God told me, God spoke to me in a dream, I have a new prophecy.

Me too.

 

[Howdy]

I wouldn't simply ignore it but instead use discernment as it says

And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels] and your young men shall see visions (divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream [divinely suggested] dreams

I do not mean to be rude, but if you believe God has revealed a new prophecy to you, or anybody else, you are deceived.

 

[Blain]

I do not mean to be rude, but if you believe God has revealed a new prophecy to you, or anybody else, you are deceived.

so then what does this scripture mean then?

 

[Edify]

I do not mean to be rude, but if you believe God has revealed a new prophecy to you, or anybody else, you are deceived.

Not so. Sometimes a new prophecy comes as a confirmation to an old one with new details not expressed in the old one.
I believe Acts 2 is such a one.
When God calls someone in the ministry, He may show the person directly. Later on God may confirm that ministry, esp. if that person runs away at first.
Acts 2 is for the church. The WHOLE church.

 

[Blain]

For instance I was visiting a church once and this man and I started talking he said he has studied the bible for years and yet no act of God has ever occured for him so he stopped believing he was only there for his family because they wanted him to go. I recieved something to tell him and said here is your act of God your cat is going to bring you a dead baby racoon in two days and on the third day which was a wednsday church service he saw me and came running saying I believe now just like you said my cat brought me a dead baby racoon

I had no knowledge of this man owning a cat and specifically gave a prophecy to happen in two days this was an act of God given to me to prophesy to him so he would believe again now was I decieved in this situation?