Demons

[homwardbound]

sorry that possesssion and indweling thing is not meant to be the same the posession thing and indweling just keep getting confused in my mind. but even the indwelling is hard to find in scripture it has to be a stretch to make it seem that way too as the only one who had demons dweling in them is that man with legion but he was not a Christian nor was he saved he worshipped Jesus because he knew who he was not because he followed him

any christian /follower of christ is not mentioned to have demon dweling in them either only being called demonic behavior. have you seen anywhere in scripture that a follower of Christ has demons in them dweling in them? if not then it cannot be so we have to be careful also to not try to make scripture say something it isn't and I did do plenty of searching for weling as well as possession neither one is ever mentioned in the followers of Christ.

yet Jesus was called a demon was he not by who?
The Religious leaders, has that changed? Oh yes ever since Constantine changed it. What?
Yes, the Pagan priests had Churches, meeting places and no one went there to them.
So, Constantine had them tell the people they now believe, to read there Bible and use it to get them in to believe, these pagans were now believers they faked it.
the New Church began using the Christ to do it their way to get money from the people, you think not? Look up history
The people began going and giving. People saw Lucious fruit trees and began eating as did Eve in the beginning in wanting her own way to be wise as if God. People are still having itchy ears and going wherever their thought(s) lead them taking none captive to see new in Father's Spirit and Truth of love to all for all, that is the call to me anyways. Act my wage, not my thought(s)
Myself, I got a mouthful of wax when I ate, and ignored that at first, wanting to be accepted, liked and approved of. Not now after going through under Law as talked about by Paul all over the Bible Epistles, that only Father can reveal to any flesh and blood person that sincerely desires too know God, the creator of all, and does this when it's time to be revealed this otherwise not yet, thanks why> God knows I rest in God knows all
I see to not be controlled by anyone else, only God Father in risen Son Jesus, thanks

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Have you considered what I previously shared here? For example, have you considered this which I will now cut and paste from a previous post of mine?

Please consider what Paul said here to the Christians at Corinth.

2Co 10:3
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)
2Co 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

While writing to Christians, Paul informed them that both he and they were in a war, and that the war was not after the flesh, or that the weapons of their warfare were not carnal, but mighty through God instead. In other words, Paul informed them that both they and he (and we, by extension) were in a spiritual war which required spiritual weaponry in order to overcome.

In this instance, Paul adequately described the battleground for this spiritual war when he spoke of pulling down strongholds, and casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

Let's pause here for a moment and ask ourselves where these strongholds were located in Christians, or where these imaginations, this knowledge, or these thoughts were to be found.

I think that we would all agree that these things (strongholds, imaginations, knowledge, and thoughts) reside IN one's mind, or INSIDE OF THEM, as opposed to residing somewhere OUTSIDE OF THEM, and, again, these things required spiritual weaponry in order to be properly dealt with.

Why would Christians need spiritual weaponry to set their minds straight unless they were dealing with spiritual forces?

Seeing how this spiritual battleground of the mind resides INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS, ought we not to consider that the spiritual forces which are being fought against with spiritual weaponry similarly reside INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS?

These seem like fair questions to me, and I believe that the correct biblical answers are that Christians can have spirits INSIDE OF THEM which are negatively affecting their minds.

Does this make sense to you?

If not, then please tell why it does not.

Thank you.

I think people are hesitant to agree with you because you're asking if a demon can dwell within a Christian. The Bible doesn't really say that. More accurately, we're at war with satan and his demons in the spiritual realm. So I don't think demons can dwell within Christians.

We're simply at war with them. If a demon keeps attacking you, it's because you are weak in that area of your spirit and God is allowing that demon to challenge you so that you can learn to fight back with the Holy Spirit, His armor and His weapons the Lord gives you so that you become a stronger Christian in spirit as a result.


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[Blain]

Have you considered what I previously shared here? For example, have you considered this which I will now cut and paste from a previous post of mine?

Please consider what Paul said here to the Christians at Corinth.

2Co 10:3
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)
2Co 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

While writing to Christians, Paul informed them that both he and they were in a war, and that the war was not after the flesh, or that the weapons of their warfare were not carnal, but mighty through God instead. In other words, Paul informed them that both they and he (and we, by extension) were in a spiritual war which required spiritual weaponry in order to overcome.

In this instance, Paul adequately described the battleground for this spiritual war when he spoke of pulling down strongholds, and casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

Let's pause here for a moment and ask ourselves where these strongholds were located in Christians, or where these imaginations, this knowledge, or these thoughts were to be found.

I think that we would all agree that these things (strongholds, imaginations, knowledge, and thoughts) reside IN one's mind, or INSIDE OF THEM, as opposed to residing somewhere OUTSIDE OF THEM, and, again, these things required spiritual weaponry in order to be properly dealt with.

Why would Christians need spiritual weaponry to set their minds straight unless they were dealing with spiritual forces?

Seeing how this spiritual battleground of the mind resides INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS, ought we not to consider that the spiritual forces which are being fought against with spiritual weaponry similarly reside INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS?

These seem like fair questions to me, and I believe that the correct biblical answers are that Christians can have spirits INSIDE OF THEM which are negatively affecting their minds.

Does this make sense to you?

If not, then please tell why it does not.

Thank you.

Well having to fight against things like lust envy jealousy or any other sinful thought does not mean we have spirits inside us yes we are influenced but the battleground and dwelling are not saying the same thing in my opinion it is kind of a mind over matter type thing as we all deal with spiritual warfare every day so if this passage was meaning spirits inside us then that means you and I have them in us now

 

[Blain]

you know I wonder if a crash course on how to fight against the spirits we deal with would help people on here, I know several people struggling with this very issue as we speak

 

[keepingthingsreal]

if this passage was meaning spirits inside us then that means you and I have them in us now

Hold on a second.

Let me check...



I didn't see anything...did you?

 

[Blain]

Hold on a second.

Let me check...

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I didn't see anything...did you?

Well I am legally blind I may not be the best person to ask lol

 

[keepingthingsreal]

I think people are hesitant to agree with you because you're asking if a demon can dwell within a Christian. The Bible doesn't really say that.

Hi, 2ndTITC.

Whether or not the Bible says that remains to be seen. In other words, this is a developing conversation (I am sorry, but I am busy with several other things at the moment), and by no means has all possible scriptural evidence been presented yet. At the same time, I have already presented a limited amount of possible scriptural evidence, and I do not really believe that anybody has properly addressed or refuted that yet.

Anyhow, what I would sincerely ask of you (or anybody else) at this time is simply this:

Can you show me/us anywhere in scripture where it explicitly states that a demon cannot dwell within a Christian?

So far, nobody else in this conversation has come even remotely close to showing the same, and I am quite confident that nobody will ever be able to show the same. That said, I am still perfectly willing to seriously and honestly consider any alleged scriptural evidence that anyone might offer, and it will then be up to me to prove that those scriptures simply do not say what people allege they say.

This is probably a good time to remind everyone that my desire or intention here is not to start an argument, nor is it to potentially win an argument. Instead, over the course of a good many years, I have encountered many Christians who would have never been set free from things which bound or vexed them except through literal deliverance from demons which were residing within them. At the same time, I have met many others who are still bound or vexed because they will not even consider the possibility that their problems are demonic in nature, and that greatly saddens and troubles me. Simply put, I truly am trying to potentially help people, and that is the true motive behind this discussion at my end.

More accurately, we're at war with satan and his demons in the spiritual realm.

I definitely agree that we are at war with Satan and his demons in the spiritual realm, but this does not limit the scope of the spiritual realm to the realm which exists outside of believers. In other words, the spiritual realm includes the believer's own spirit which is inside of them, and the Holy Spirit which dwells inside of them, so why could it not also include an evil spirit which dwells inside of them? Also, there are many examples in scripture where people had evil or unclean spirits dwelling inside of them, so, again, the spirit realm is by no means limited to the realm which exists outside of a person.

So I don't think demons can dwell within Christians.

That is fine, and that is what this conversation is all about. In other words, what either you or I think, in and of itself, is irrelevant...unless we can prove that our thoughts properly align with rightly divided scripture. This leads me back to the question that I have been asking from the outset.

Can anybody here show where it explicitly says in rightly divided scripture that a demon cannot dwell within a Christian?

Of course, the other side of this conversation is that I, or somebody else, would need to show from rightly divided scripture that a Christian can be indwelt by a demon. Like I said a moment ago, this is a developing conversation, so I would simply ask that nobody makes a final decision until all of the possible evidence has been presented on either side.

We're simply at war with them. If a demon keeps attacking you, it's because you are weak in that area of your spirit and God is allowing that demon to challenge you so that you can learn to fight back with the Holy Spirit, His armor and His weapons the Lord gives you so that you become a stronger Christian in spirit as a result.

What you have stated here is very often true, so I am not attempting to deny any of it. Instead, I am convinced that it is not the total truth. In other words, i also firmly believe, and for good reasons, that at times the battle is from within.

I truly am sorry that I have not been giving this thread my full attention, and especially since I am the one who started it. I truly do have a lot of things going in my life right now which require a lot of my attention, but, Lord willing, I will eventually dive back into this conversation more fully.

Thank you all for your patience.

 

[Aaron56]

There might be exceptions but it seems like the people who deny the gifts of the Spirit are active today also deny that demons can be active in the life of believers. In truth, both beliefs are rooted in the religious need to control: since the Holy Spirit cannot be controlled or manipulated they reject His direct involvement within the saints save for indwelling.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Can anybody here show where it explicitly says in rightly divided scripture that a demon cannot dwell within a Christian?

1 John 4:4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

This verse specifically tells you the Holy Spirit you received from God the Father is in you and that He is greater than the one attacking you who is on the outside.

I think you are so demon focused that they have convinced you of the lie that they can dwell with you. They are actually on the outside. Focus on the Holy Spirit and submit to Him completely and then you will see His full power in your life to overcome the battles with your demons.

I know personally of the Holy Spirit's power in my life. For years I struggled against demons and their influences and was losing because I focused too much on their might and not focused on the Holy Spirit's.

It was when I obeyed God and tore my focus of the demons to trust and submit to the Holy Spirit. He proved how He is so much more powerful than any demon to free me from their influence.


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[Edify]

Luke 13: 10-17 is the perfect example to answer this question.
Here a righteous daughter of Abraham was bound/oppressed by a demon.
Satan can't possess a christian, but he can OPPRESS them.
When a demon lives or dwells within a person, that is what is called demonic possession. It is an evil spirit DWELLING in a person as his house. However, when a demonic spirit uses its power to inflict pain or suffering in some way NOT LIVING in that individual, it is what we call oppression.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

Luke 13: 10-17 is the perfect example to answer this question.
Here a righteous daughter of Abraham was bound/oppressed by a demon.
Satan can't possess a christian, but he can OPPRESS them.
When a demon lives or dwells within a person, that is what is called demonic possession. It is an evil spirit DWELLING in a person as his house. However, when a demonic spirit uses its power to inflict pain or suffering in some way NOT LIVING in that individual, it is what we call oppression.

It is a perfect example, but not in the way that you are suggesting.

What makes you think that this "spirit of infirmity" was not INSIDE this woman?

Luk 13:11
And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.

Compared to this:

Act 16:16
And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

The Greek word echō was translated into English as "had" in Luke 13:11, and translated into English as "possessed" in Acts 16:16.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2192/kjv/tr/0-1/

The demon was inside of both women.