Demons

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homwardbound

homwardbound

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Blain said:
sorry that possesssion and indweling thing is not meant to be the same the posession thing and indweling just keep getting confused in my mind. but even the indwelling is hard to find in scripture it has to be a stretch to make it seem that way too as the only one who had demons dweling in them is that man with legion but he was not a Christian nor was he saved he worshipped Jesus because he knew who he was not because he followed him

any christian /follower of christ is not mentioned to have demon dweling in them either only being called demonic behavior. have you seen anywhere in scripture that a follower of Christ has demons in them dweling in them? if not then it cannot be so we have to be careful also to not try to make scripture say something it isn't and I did do plenty of searching for weling as well as possession neither one is ever mentioned in the followers of Christ.
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yet Jesus was called a demon was he not by who?
The Religious leaders, has that changed? Oh yes ever since Constantine changed it. What?
Yes, the Pagan priests had Churches, meeting places and no one went there to them.
So, Constantine had them tell the people they now believe, to read there Bible and use it to get them in to believe, these pagans were now believers they faked it.
the New Church began using the Christ to do it their way to get money from the people, you think not? Look up history
The people began going and giving. People saw Lucious fruit trees and began eating as did Eve in the beginning in wanting her own way to be wise as if God. People are still having itchy ears and going wherever their thought(s) lead them taking none captive to see new in Father's Spirit and Truth of love to all for all, that is the call to me anyways. Act my wage, not my thought(s)
Myself, I got a mouthful of wax when I ate, and ignored that at first, wanting to be accepted, liked and approved of. Not now after going through under Law as talked about by Paul all over the Bible Epistles, that only Father can reveal to any flesh and blood person that sincerely desires too know God, the creator of all, and does this when it's time to be revealed this otherwise not yet, thanks why> God knows I rest in God knows all
I see to not be controlled by anyone else, only God Father in risen Son Jesus, thanks
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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keepingthingsreal said:
Have you considered what I previously shared here? For example, have you considered this which I will now cut and paste from a previous post of mine?

Please consider what Paul said here to the Christians at Corinth.

2Co 10:3
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)
2Co 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

While writing to Christians, Paul informed them that both he and they were in a war, and that the war was not after the flesh, or that the weapons of their warfare were not carnal, but mighty through God instead. In other words, Paul informed them that both they and he (and we, by extension) were in a spiritual war which required spiritual weaponry in order to overcome.

In this instance, Paul adequately described the battleground for this spiritual war when he spoke of pulling down strongholds, and casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

Let's pause here for a moment and ask ourselves where these strongholds were located in Christians, or where these imaginations, this knowledge, or these thoughts were to be found.

I think that we would all agree that these things (strongholds, imaginations, knowledge, and thoughts) reside IN one's mind, or INSIDE OF THEM, as opposed to residing somewhere OUTSIDE OF THEM, and, again, these things required spiritual weaponry in order to be properly dealt with.

Why would Christians need spiritual weaponry to set their minds straight unless they were dealing with spiritual forces?

Seeing how this spiritual battleground of the mind resides INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS, ought we not to consider that the spiritual forces which are being fought against with spiritual weaponry similarly reside INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS?

These seem like fair questions to me, and I believe that the correct biblical answers are that Christians can have spirits INSIDE OF THEM which are negatively affecting their minds.

Does this make sense to you?

If not, then please tell why it does not.

Thank you.
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I think people are hesitant to agree with you because you're asking if a demon can dwell within a Christian. The Bible doesn't really say that. More accurately, we're at war with satan and his demons in the spiritual realm. So I don't think demons can dwell within Christians.

We're simply at war with them. If a demon keeps attacking you, it's because you are weak in that area of your spirit and God is allowing that demon to challenge you so that you can learn to fight back with the Holy Spirit, His armor and His weapons the Lord gives you so that you become a stronger Christian in spirit as a result.


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Blain

Blain

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keepingthingsreal said:
Have you considered what I previously shared here? For example, have you considered this which I will now cut and paste from a previous post of mine?

Please consider what Paul said here to the Christians at Corinth.

2Co 10:3
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)
2Co 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

While writing to Christians, Paul informed them that both he and they were in a war, and that the war was not after the flesh, or that the weapons of their warfare were not carnal, but mighty through God instead. In other words, Paul informed them that both they and he (and we, by extension) were in a spiritual war which required spiritual weaponry in order to overcome.

In this instance, Paul adequately described the battleground for this spiritual war when he spoke of pulling down strongholds, and casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

Let's pause here for a moment and ask ourselves where these strongholds were located in Christians, or where these imaginations, this knowledge, or these thoughts were to be found.

I think that we would all agree that these things (strongholds, imaginations, knowledge, and thoughts) reside IN one's mind, or INSIDE OF THEM, as opposed to residing somewhere OUTSIDE OF THEM, and, again, these things required spiritual weaponry in order to be properly dealt with.

Why would Christians need spiritual weaponry to set their minds straight unless they were dealing with spiritual forces?

Seeing how this spiritual battleground of the mind resides INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS, ought we not to consider that the spiritual forces which are being fought against with spiritual weaponry similarly reside INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS?

These seem like fair questions to me, and I believe that the correct biblical answers are that Christians can have spirits INSIDE OF THEM which are negatively affecting their minds.

Does this make sense to you?

If not, then please tell why it does not.

Thank you.
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Well having to fight against things like lust envy jealousy or any other sinful thought does not mean we have spirits inside us yes we are influenced but the battleground and dwelling are not saying the same thing in my opinion it is kind of a mind over matter type thing as we all deal with spiritual warfare every day so if this passage was meaning spirits inside us then that means you and I have them in us now
 
Blain

Blain

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you know I wonder if a crash course on how to fight against the spirits we deal with would help people on here, I know several people struggling with this very issue as we speak
 
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