God Never Forgave Saul
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Yep. So I guess the lesson to us is that God will only go to a certain point with us. I guess we could say the same for the prophet that disobeyed God and God had him attacked and eaten by a lion.
I don’t know what happened to Saul (I assume he went hell) but the hope we have is that this time f God allows us to be destroyed down here, we at least have Heaven to look forward to. Hopefully
I don’t know what happened to Saul (I assume he went hell) but the hope we have is that this time f God allows us to be destroyed down here, we at least have Heaven to look forward to. Hopefully
Precious friend, According To Scripture we can know 'where' Saul went, eh?
The witch at Endor "called up Samuel from his sleep" in paradise - See 1 Samuel 27:11-20 AV:
Samuel prophesied to Saul:
v. 19: "...Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the
Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall
deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistine..."
Do you believe "Samuel was in paradise" or did he also "go to hell"?
The witch at Endor "called up Samuel from his sleep" in paradise - See 1 Samuel 27:11-20 AV:
Samuel prophesied to Saul:
v. 19: "...Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the
Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall
deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistine..."
Do you believe "Samuel was in paradise" or did he also "go to hell"?
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Saul did not repent. He attacked David often, trying to kill him. Saul had moments of remorse, but no real turning to God for mercy.
There is a sobering incident in "Pilgrim's Progress". Pilgrim sees men hanging from a gallows. He asks Evangelist (who was Jesus) could they not have been forgiven. Evangelist replies, "They did not ask." The condition for forgiveness is straightforward. Confess that we have sinned. It's not a dismissive, "Yeah, so I got it wrong." Neither do we need to heap condemnation on ourselves. "Confess" means to say something that is true. God knows if we mean it or not. Histrionics are not required.
There is a sobering incident in "Pilgrim's Progress". Pilgrim sees men hanging from a gallows. He asks Evangelist (who was Jesus) could they not have been forgiven. Evangelist replies, "They did not ask." The condition for forgiveness is straightforward. Confess that we have sinned. It's not a dismissive, "Yeah, so I got it wrong." Neither do we need to heap condemnation on ourselves. "Confess" means to say something that is true. God knows if we mean it or not. Histrionics are not required.
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well then, we all have no chance then since no one has obeyed perfectly (read Galatians all of Galatians. You, to me just made God a Liar in his grace for us all as in 1 John 2 tells me so, thanks, Glad I am not God, nor you or anyone else of flesh and blood Wow, God's risen life is for me, you and all others, to see and be given new in thanking and praise to Father for this gift, next! Eph 2
Thanking Father for Son for us all to choose to, either believe God or not
That is all that is left after Son took upon himself all sin Who took away the sin of this world, all sin but Unbelief to God Father for them through Son to them at least I see this given me from God to me and ,many others see this too, Son is either for us all or not, thanks
Authorized (King James) Version
Isaiah 6:1-7
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
And one cried unto another, and said,
Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts:
the whole earth is full of his glory.
And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: and he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
Thanking Father for Son for us all to choose to, either believe God or not
That is all that is left after Son took upon himself all sin Who took away the sin of this world, all sin but Unbelief to God Father for them through Son to them at least I see this given me from God to me and ,many others see this too, Son is either for us all or not, thanks
Authorized (King James) Version
Isaiah 6:1-7
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
And one cried unto another, and said,
Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts:
the whole earth is full of his glory.
And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: and he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
I don’t know if King Saul was saved or not. I hope so.
But the “here” Samuel was talking about contains two separate places in Sheol/Hades.
Pre resurrection, everyone that died went to Hades. There were two “compartments” in Sheol.
Paradise, where the saved waited for Christ to die and be resurrected (Abraham’s Bosom) and a separate place of torment where the unsaved wait for judgment.
So Samuel’s pronouncement that Saul would be with him, doesn’t automatically mean he would go to the paradise side of Hades.
But the “here” Samuel was talking about contains two separate places in Sheol/Hades.
Pre resurrection, everyone that died went to Hades. There were two “compartments” in Sheol.
Paradise, where the saved waited for Christ to die and be resurrected (Abraham’s Bosom) and a separate place of torment where the unsaved wait for judgment.
So Samuel’s pronouncement that Saul would be with him, doesn’t automatically mean he would go to the paradise side of Hades.
“Yep. So I guess the lesson to us is that God will only go to a certain point with us.”
Id say the lesson is that he went all the way to suffering and death for us so we can repent and be saved . Some however hear his offer of salvation and reject it
It’s not about how far God will go to save us it’s about whether we will repent and believe him .
Id say the lesson is that he went all the way to suffering and death for us so we can repent and be saved . Some however hear his offer of salvation and reject it
It’s not about how far God will go to save us it’s about whether we will repent and believe him .
Anyone that sincerely believes God between God and them, that has gone through _______________ and still would not deny God. Then sees truth, God Father reveals this. Who would leave? Not me, will you once you got revealed the entire truth I see, religion tries to keep you from, not letting you be freed, not completely. Religion, has to have control. You ask Father from within you, pray wait and go, wait one day you will know, and see, Thank you. Oh, not kicking against anyone, just sharing awareness in truth to all Matthew 10:16-20, Luke 21:14-15
I am not once saved always saved. I am once saved by God , saved by God, it is finished also
freed from under Law, by Son's done work in appreciation to do love and mercy also as Son did first, thank you Father for this gift. Any work of self in a gift, makes a gift not a gift.
You did it for us all to stand in belief, trust to you in this love and mercy to all, wow we is me!
Isaiah 6:1-7
I am not once saved always saved. I am once saved by God , saved by God, it is finished also
freed from under Law, by Son's done work in appreciation to do love and mercy also as Son did first, thank you Father for this gift. Any work of self in a gift, makes a gift not a gift.
You did it for us all to stand in belief, trust to you in this love and mercy to all, wow we is me!
Isaiah 6:1-7
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Yes, was as Saul, before Paul
God saw his sincereness under Law. Saul sincerely thought he was doing it right.
His own dead spirit led him
So Father revealed himself to Saul in Risen Son on the road to Damascus
Now if we go back just a month or two, we see Saul consent to Stephan's death, he watched Stephan being stoned to death, and Stephan willing to die and state she sees Father and Son, ready willing and glad to go to death
Now put you there watching this happen. Tell me, who goes to death willingly? Anyone here will do that today?
Then the road to Damascus, and Saul becomes Paul
Are we listening, how would you react if that were you going through that?
I beleive you Father and Son as Won (One) for us all to be new in your Spirit and Truth, dead to this first born me, that wanted to be in charge over everyone else. To not get taken control of by anyone else. Now, though only by you Father, me remaining willingly from me to you, knowing this, it might take a long time in renewing my earth mindset. So teach me one thing at a time to stay out of confusion. Thank you Daddy, PaPa, Father in risen Son Jesus.
Can we from our self beleive this to see this? I assure you, I could never see this by work to do to get or to keep in that comes from religion
God saves. religion corrupts. Religion is about what people are doing or not doing, having people in charge to judge you over it, No thank you, we all put on our pants one leg at a time do we not? Does God see anyone better than another? Nope, not to me
God Father in Son went to that cross once "Once" for us all. First to get reconciled as forgiven 100% is that good news or not? (2 Cor 5:17-20)
then the risen Life, that is where new life I see, right now for each person to believe between God and them personally first. Then the love of God flows through these Kids that God has reconciled (Forgiven) in Love and Mercy of that cross for them to get given this. seeing, the Old Law, the Ten Commands, had to get fulfilled and now is fulfilled first, before the new law of Love could ever enter in us, those that believe see, if not yet see, will. For God does reveal it to us each when it is the best time to see it and be new in it. We grow new unto maturity, yet please not too fast to think you know and become proud, thanks
God saw his sincereness under Law. Saul sincerely thought he was doing it right.
His own dead spirit led him
So Father revealed himself to Saul in Risen Son on the road to Damascus
Now if we go back just a month or two, we see Saul consent to Stephan's death, he watched Stephan being stoned to death, and Stephan willing to die and state she sees Father and Son, ready willing and glad to go to death
Now put you there watching this happen. Tell me, who goes to death willingly? Anyone here will do that today?
Then the road to Damascus, and Saul becomes Paul
Are we listening, how would you react if that were you going through that?
I beleive you Father and Son as Won (One) for us all to be new in your Spirit and Truth, dead to this first born me, that wanted to be in charge over everyone else. To not get taken control of by anyone else. Now, though only by you Father, me remaining willingly from me to you, knowing this, it might take a long time in renewing my earth mindset. So teach me one thing at a time to stay out of confusion. Thank you Daddy, PaPa, Father in risen Son Jesus.
Can we from our self beleive this to see this? I assure you, I could never see this by work to do to get or to keep in that comes from religion
God saves. religion corrupts. Religion is about what people are doing or not doing, having people in charge to judge you over it, No thank you, we all put on our pants one leg at a time do we not? Does God see anyone better than another? Nope, not to me
God Father in Son went to that cross once "Once" for us all. First to get reconciled as forgiven 100% is that good news or not? (2 Cor 5:17-20)
then the risen Life, that is where new life I see, right now for each person to believe between God and them personally first. Then the love of God flows through these Kids that God has reconciled (Forgiven) in Love and Mercy of that cross for them to get given this. seeing, the Old Law, the Ten Commands, had to get fulfilled and now is fulfilled first, before the new law of Love could ever enter in us, those that believe see, if not yet see, will. For God does reveal it to us each when it is the best time to see it and be new in it. We grow new unto maturity, yet please not too fast to think you know and become proud, thanks