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gb9

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not a fan of that move. the right to protest should not be messed with- as long as the protest stays peaceful.

as long as it stays peaceful..
 
shittim

shittim

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There's was not the kind of protest the founding fathers protected.
It isn't right or left, it is right or wrong.
blessings
 
Dude653

Dude653

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Yeah this seems like a massive overreach of authority but I've been warning you guys that you're voting for a dictator.
 
ZNP

ZNP

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Tamarisk said:
Trump has signed in an executive order to revoke the visas of students who protested Israel’s invasion of Palestine


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-cancel-student-visas-153349521.html
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"The First Amendment protects everyone in the United States, including foreign citizens studying at American universities," said Carrie DeCell, senior staff attorney at the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University. "Deporting non-citizens on the basis of their political speech would be unconstitutional."

I think such an interpretation is idiotic. To me a student visa is like the US inviting an exchange student to come and live in their house. Obviously the home owner retains their rights in that situation to ask the student to leave.

Whether or not you agree with this order and I think it has a whole lot to do with how it is carried out, it is patently absurd to claim it is unconstitutional. It is perfectly reasonable to ask people applying for student visas political questions about whether or not they support the US government. It is also perfectly legal to conclude that the participation in some of these protests contradicted what they said on their form and thus their answer was fraudulent.

Now I understand that some of those protests were extremely anti semitic indicating a desire to completely annihilate Israel from the face of the earth. To me it is simply common sense that anyone chanting for the annihilation of Israel that was here on a student visa be told to leave.
 
shittim

shittim

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Our Constitutional form of Government was meant for a Godly people, not a satan worshiping occult religion.
Our first war was with the muslim Barbary pirates
 
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Tamarisk

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ZNP said:
"The First Amendment protects everyone in the United States, including foreign citizens studying at American universities," said Carrie DeCell, senior staff attorney at the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University. "Deporting non-citizens on the basis of their political speech would be unconstitutional."

I think such an interpretation is idiotic. To me a student visa is like the US inviting an exchange student to come and live in their house. Obviously the home owner retains their rights in that situation to ask the student to leave.

Whether or not you agree with this order and I think it has a whole lot to do with how it is carried out, it is patently absurd to claim it is unconstitutional. It is perfectly reasonable to ask people applying for student visas political questions about whether or not they support the US government. It is also perfectly legal to conclude that the participation in some of these protests contradicted what they said on their form and thus their answer was fraudulent.

Now I understand that some of those protests were extremely anti semitic indicating a desire to completely annihilate Israel from the face of the earth. To me it is simply common sense that anyone chanting for the annihilation of Israel that was here on a student visa be told to leave.
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If they can punish non-citizens from expressing speech, what’s to stop them from attempting to stop citizens from expressing their free speech?

ZNP you seem well aware of what’s going on in the world. The United States is no longer the economic world leader. They’re attempting to take away our right to protest so that when supply chain shortages happen, and the people protest the government will have the right to forcefully end those protest.
 
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Tamarisk

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shittim said:
Our Constitutional form of Government was meant for a Godly people, not a satan worshiping occult religion.
Our first war was with the muslim Barbary pirates
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Well, now you can’t deny that you’re a Christian nationalist anymore
 
Dude653

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Tamarisk said:
If they can punish non-citizens from expressing speech, what’s to stop them from attempting to stop citizens from expressing their free speech?

ZNP you seem well aware of what’s going on in the world. The United States is no longer the economic world leader. They’re attempting to take away our right to protest so that when supply chain shortages happen, and the people protest the government will have the right to forcefully end those protest.
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They're trying to shut down global trade because they think a global economy is satanic
 
ResidentAlien

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Tamarisk said:
If they can punish non-citizens from expressing speech, what’s to stop them from attempting to stop citizens from expressing their free speech?

ZNP you seem well aware of what’s going on in the world. The United States is no longer the economic world leader. They’re attempting to take away our right to protest so that when supply chain shortages happen, and the people protest the government will have the right to forcefully end those protest.
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Who is the economic world leader then?
 
ResidentAlien

ResidentAlien

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Donald thinks he has a mandate from God; that makes him doubly dangerous. If God saved him from assassination and appointed him to whip the US into shape, then I suppose anything he can dream up will be okay in his mind. If you answer directly to God, what right does Congress and the Constitution have to interfere.
 
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Tamarisk

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Brazil, Russia, India, China, Spain=BRICS

BRICS Economic control is reaching 55% of the world economy.

Watch Richard Wolf speak about this on YouTube. He makes it very clear and easy to understand.

 
ZNP

ZNP

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Tamarisk said:
If they can punish non-citizens from expressing speech, what’s to stop them from attempting to stop citizens from expressing their free speech?

ZNP you seem well aware of what’s going on in the world. The United States is no longer the economic world leader. They’re attempting to take away our right to protest so that when supply chain shortages happen, and the people protest the government will have the right to forcefully end those protest.
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I understand the concern over where this is going and how will it be enforced. But claiming that some Palestinian here on a student visa has a constitutional right to scream about Israel being guilty of genocide and calling for them to be annihilated from the river to the sea is ridiculous.
 
ResidentAlien

ResidentAlien

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Tamarisk said:
Brazil, Russia, India, China, Spain=BRICS

BRICS Economic control is reaching 55% of the world economy.

Watch Richard Wolf speak about this on YouTube. He makes it very clear and easy to understand.

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BRICS isn't a threat to the US. Richard Wolff is a Marxist and would probably like to see the US economy fail.
 
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Tamarisk

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ResidentAlien said:
BRICS isn't a threat to the US. Richard Wolff is a Marxist and would probably like to see the US economy fail.
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And your source, please?

And by the way, it’s a logical fallacy to dismiss a message based on it’s container
 
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