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Hi, Kroogz.
First, I would like to establish, from scripture, that demons INSIDE OF SOMEONE can negatively affect their mind.
Mar 5:1
And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
Mar 5:2
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Mar 5:3
Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
Mar 5:4
Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
Mar 5:5
And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
Mar 5:6
But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Mar 5:7
And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Mar 5:8
For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
Mar 5:9
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
Mar 5:10
And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
Mar 5:11
Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
Mar 5:12
And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
Mar 5:13
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand) and were choked in the sea.
Mar 5:14
And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
Mar 5:15
And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
I trust that we are all familiar with this account, but I would like to point out a few things for everyone's consideration.
First, there was a man with an unclean spirit. In fact, he had a legion (6000) of demons DWELLING INSIDE OF HIM.
Second, when Jesus appeared on the scene, there were majorly different reactions to his presence where the man and THE DEMONS DWELLING INSIDE OF HIM were concerned.
The man ran to meet Jesus, and he worshipped him. Let me pause here to say that this is another reason why I do not like the word "possessed" when it comes to demons. In other words, although this man had 6000 demons DWELLING INSIDE OF HIM, they did not "possess" him, or they did not have full control over him. Instead, he still had the ability to run to Jesus and worship him of his own volition.
The demons INSIDE OF HIM? Initially, they adjured Jesus, by God, that he would not torment them, and this was after he had commanded them to COME OUT OF the man. After that, they besought him that he would not send them out of that country. Lastly, they besought him that he would send them into a herd of swine. When they departed from being INSIDE OF THIS MAN, the man was found to be "in his right mind." In other words, the demons which previously DWELT INSIDE OF HIM were causing him to not be "in his right mind."
Granted, this man was not "saved" when Jesus met him, but I would like to pose the following question to you and everybody else here.
What do you suppose would have happened if Jesus had merely told this man to believe on him as his Lord and Savior?
Do you suppose that all of the demons would have COME OUT OF THIS MAN if Jesus had merely told him to do the same?
Personally, I do not suppose any such thing. Again, in scripture, demons are always CAST OUT OF SOMEBODY.
I have another question.
Did this man believe in Jesus or not?
Technically, he was not "saved" when he first encountered Jesus, but he did run to him and fall down and worship him.
What does that tell us?
I believe that it tells us that this man somehow recognized Jesus as Lord and that he saw in him the potential to be delivered from the legion of demons which had long been tormenting him.
Let's turn from this man to those in scripture who we know were Christians. Please consider what Paul said here to the Christians at Corinth.
2Co 10:3
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)
2Co 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
While writing to Christians, Paul informed them that both he and they were in a war, and that the war was not after the flesh, or that the weapons of their warfare were not carnal, but mighty through God instead. In other words, Paul informed them that both they and he (and we, by extension) were in a spiritual war which required spiritual weaponry in order to overcome.
In this instance, Paul adequately described the battleground for this spiritual war when he spoke of pulling down strongholds, and casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
Let's pause here for a moment and ask ourselves where these strongholds were located in Christians, or where these imaginations, this knowledge, or these thoughts were to be found.
I think that we would all agree that these things (strongholds, imaginations, knowledge, and thoughts) reside IN one's mind, or INSIDE OF THEM, as opposed to residing somewhere OUTSIDE OF THEM, and, again, these things required spiritual weaponry in order to be properly dealt with.
Why would Christians need spiritual weaponry to set their minds straight unless they were dealing with spiritual forces?
Seeing how this spiritual battleground of the mind resides INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS, ought we not to consider that the spiritual forces which are being fought against with spiritual weaponry similarly reside INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS?
These seem like fair questions to me, and I believe that the correct biblical answers are that Christians can have spirits INSIDE OF THEM which are negatively affecting their minds.
Does this make sense to you?
If not, then please tell why it does not.
Thank you.
First, I would like to establish, from scripture, that demons INSIDE OF SOMEONE can negatively affect their mind.
Mar 5:1
And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
Mar 5:2
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Mar 5:3
Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
Mar 5:4
Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
Mar 5:5
And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
Mar 5:6
But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Mar 5:7
And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Mar 5:8
For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
Mar 5:9
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
Mar 5:10
And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
Mar 5:11
Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
Mar 5:12
And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
Mar 5:13
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand) and were choked in the sea.
Mar 5:14
And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
Mar 5:15
And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
I trust that we are all familiar with this account, but I would like to point out a few things for everyone's consideration.
First, there was a man with an unclean spirit. In fact, he had a legion (6000) of demons DWELLING INSIDE OF HIM.
Second, when Jesus appeared on the scene, there were majorly different reactions to his presence where the man and THE DEMONS DWELLING INSIDE OF HIM were concerned.
The man ran to meet Jesus, and he worshipped him. Let me pause here to say that this is another reason why I do not like the word "possessed" when it comes to demons. In other words, although this man had 6000 demons DWELLING INSIDE OF HIM, they did not "possess" him, or they did not have full control over him. Instead, he still had the ability to run to Jesus and worship him of his own volition.
The demons INSIDE OF HIM? Initially, they adjured Jesus, by God, that he would not torment them, and this was after he had commanded them to COME OUT OF the man. After that, they besought him that he would not send them out of that country. Lastly, they besought him that he would send them into a herd of swine. When they departed from being INSIDE OF THIS MAN, the man was found to be "in his right mind." In other words, the demons which previously DWELT INSIDE OF HIM were causing him to not be "in his right mind."
Granted, this man was not "saved" when Jesus met him, but I would like to pose the following question to you and everybody else here.
What do you suppose would have happened if Jesus had merely told this man to believe on him as his Lord and Savior?
Do you suppose that all of the demons would have COME OUT OF THIS MAN if Jesus had merely told him to do the same?
Personally, I do not suppose any such thing. Again, in scripture, demons are always CAST OUT OF SOMEBODY.
I have another question.
Did this man believe in Jesus or not?
Technically, he was not "saved" when he first encountered Jesus, but he did run to him and fall down and worship him.
What does that tell us?
I believe that it tells us that this man somehow recognized Jesus as Lord and that he saw in him the potential to be delivered from the legion of demons which had long been tormenting him.
Let's turn from this man to those in scripture who we know were Christians. Please consider what Paul said here to the Christians at Corinth.
2Co 10:3
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)
2Co 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
While writing to Christians, Paul informed them that both he and they were in a war, and that the war was not after the flesh, or that the weapons of their warfare were not carnal, but mighty through God instead. In other words, Paul informed them that both they and he (and we, by extension) were in a spiritual war which required spiritual weaponry in order to overcome.
In this instance, Paul adequately described the battleground for this spiritual war when he spoke of pulling down strongholds, and casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
Let's pause here for a moment and ask ourselves where these strongholds were located in Christians, or where these imaginations, this knowledge, or these thoughts were to be found.
I think that we would all agree that these things (strongholds, imaginations, knowledge, and thoughts) reside IN one's mind, or INSIDE OF THEM, as opposed to residing somewhere OUTSIDE OF THEM, and, again, these things required spiritual weaponry in order to be properly dealt with.
Why would Christians need spiritual weaponry to set their minds straight unless they were dealing with spiritual forces?
Seeing how this spiritual battleground of the mind resides INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS, ought we not to consider that the spiritual forces which are being fought against with spiritual weaponry similarly reside INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS?
These seem like fair questions to me, and I believe that the correct biblical answers are that Christians can have spirits INSIDE OF THEM which are negatively affecting their minds.
Does this make sense to you?
If not, then please tell why it does not.
Thank you.
Thank you for reading and appreciating.
Also, you referenced 1 Cor 15 so I read it. I think I'm OK with my past but when you get me reading that in context of my past, verse 9 really sticks out at me. It's Paul saying "For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God." The fact that it is helpful to have the dots connected on the fact that Saul/Paul also went around attacking people before God transformed him tells me that some part of me still needs the balm of hearing the relatability of Paul. I don't think it is as much God I'm afraid of not forgiving me, as myself or others (or really the enemy disguised as these). Knowing how God used Paul despite his past, and connecting it to my own prior failures, helps me stand more firmly on the truth of God's forgiveness no matter what anyone says. So thanks for the encouragement, friend.
Plus, you have me wondering about what you have been through yourself, but please only share if you truly want to and feel safe enough to do so here.
Also, you referenced 1 Cor 15 so I read it. I think I'm OK with my past but when you get me reading that in context of my past, verse 9 really sticks out at me. It's Paul saying "For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God." The fact that it is helpful to have the dots connected on the fact that Saul/Paul also went around attacking people before God transformed him tells me that some part of me still needs the balm of hearing the relatability of Paul. I don't think it is as much God I'm afraid of not forgiving me, as myself or others (or really the enemy disguised as these). Knowing how God used Paul despite his past, and connecting it to my own prior failures, helps me stand more firmly on the truth of God's forgiveness no matter what anyone says. So thanks for the encouragement, friend.
Plus, you have me wondering about what you have been through yourself, but please only share if you truly want to and feel safe enough to do so here.
I'm glad to hear you have. I haven't personally but my house church has in a few cases with mixed success for various reasons. First off, the afflicted one must truly want the evil spirit(s) gone. I now understand why it says in Luke 11:24-26
24 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ 25 When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. 26 Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first.”
What evil spirits offer a person is essentially a hard drug. Just like a drug addict won't get clean until he/she really wants to, you cannot free a person from possession (or indwelling evil spirit for those who prefer that), if they don't want to be free enough to fight. When you try to free a person unwilling to fight for sobriety, you can actually end up with the person in a worse state. However, a possessed person cannot free themself without outside help.
Second, one of the successful cases was a child who was therefore under his parent's authority. I cannot give specifics, though, because it was before God had connected me to that fellowship. I do know that on the failed case, the husband of the afflicted could have done more with his authority to help his wife, but wouldn't stand up to her. (FYI He is a very gentle man with his own wounds, which isn't an excuse but it is an explanation.)
By the way, although I call that last one a failed case, that is a time-specific description; never give up on God's loving willingness to get through to a person when they are ready.
There was at least one other exorcism (is that the right word?) done in my awareness, but it was done from a distance, so I do not know the outcome.
24 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ 25 When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. 26 Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first.”
What evil spirits offer a person is essentially a hard drug. Just like a drug addict won't get clean until he/she really wants to, you cannot free a person from possession (or indwelling evil spirit for those who prefer that), if they don't want to be free enough to fight. When you try to free a person unwilling to fight for sobriety, you can actually end up with the person in a worse state. However, a possessed person cannot free themself without outside help.
Second, one of the successful cases was a child who was therefore under his parent's authority. I cannot give specifics, though, because it was before God had connected me to that fellowship. I do know that on the failed case, the husband of the afflicted could have done more with his authority to help his wife, but wouldn't stand up to her. (FYI He is a very gentle man with his own wounds, which isn't an excuse but it is an explanation.)
By the way, although I call that last one a failed case, that is a time-specific description; never give up on God's loving willingness to get through to a person when they are ready.
There was at least one other exorcism (is that the right word?) done in my awareness, but it was done from a distance, so I do not know the outcome.
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Ok Good scriptures yeah Some prophets in the OT where indwelled by the Holy Spirit.. But again does that show they where possesed by an evil spirit at the same time as they where indwelled by the Holy Spirit.. Nope.. We keep getting back to the main point.. Can a Holy Spirit indewelled Christian be possesed by a demon? The scriptures do not show this to ever have happened..
I don't know if satan still has access to heaven at this time.. The scriptures in Job only show he had acess to heaven during the times of Job.. Again that does not show that satan or demons can possess a Christian..
I agree, yep if they where indwelled by a demon they needed to be delivered from that demon.. But again where Common every day Jews in OT times or in the days of Jesus indwelt by the Holy Spirt? Nope.. So saying there where Jews possesed in those times does not support the doctrine that a person indwelled by the Holy Spirit can be possesed by a demon at the same time..
I believe the Holy Spirit can cast out demons just as Jesus could cast out demons.. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One..
Hope you had a good night sleep
I don't know if satan still has access to heaven at this time.. The scriptures in Job only show he had acess to heaven during the times of Job.. Again that does not show that satan or demons can possess a Christian..
I agree, yep if they where indwelled by a demon they needed to be delivered from that demon.. But again where Common every day Jews in OT times or in the days of Jesus indwelt by the Holy Spirt? Nope.. So saying there where Jews possesed in those times does not support the doctrine that a person indwelled by the Holy Spirit can be possesed by a demon at the same time..
I believe the Holy Spirit can cast out demons just as Jesus could cast out demons.. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One..
Hope you had a good night sleep
What is said about Judas is found in JN 6:70, when "Jesus replied, Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!"
I think this means there is no significant difference between being a demon and acting like the devil. As I am studying the teachings of Paul, I have found no mention of demon-possession in his epistles, although he seems to describe demonic behavior as the old sin nature. I would also note that what the gospels call having a demon (MT 9:32-33, 17:18, LK 4:33) might be what today is called mental illness.
Thus, I guess that in some Scriptural sense a Christian remains susceptible to having a demon, but not being possessed by Satan or Satan co-habiting with the Holy Spirit (cf. 2CR 6:15).
I think this means there is no significant difference between being a demon and acting like the devil. As I am studying the teachings of Paul, I have found no mention of demon-possession in his epistles, although he seems to describe demonic behavior as the old sin nature. I would also note that what the gospels call having a demon (MT 9:32-33, 17:18, LK 4:33) might be what today is called mental illness.
Thus, I guess that in some Scriptural sense a Christian remains susceptible to having a demon, but not being possessed by Satan or Satan co-habiting with the Holy Spirit (cf. 2CR 6:15).
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Unlike those who claim to be deliverance ministers, I agree with you that true believers have the Holy Spirit living within and cannot be indwelt by competing evil spirits.
There are a couple occasions I ignorantly participated in a public sampling of kinesiology. I heard the theory but since then think it is a metaphysical practice that might employ a demonic entity or perhaps a human deception. The guy at a conference was trying to prove it's validity by having a number of people in line to hold out their arm and hold a florescent bulb and other various objects in the other hand. Then he pulls down on the extended arm and that proves the lit bulb or whatever substance was not good for the person. It did not work on me and he could not pull my arm down as hard as he tried. That doesn't prove anything doctrinally, but is a personal example that greater is He that is in me than he who is in the world, if this was indeed a spiritual phenomenon.
BTW, I'm totally opposed to divination of any form and would no longer subject myself to that .
I talked to a friend last night who told me of a deliverance minister who said that he casts out demons at least once a week from his congregation and even needs to do so with himself.
I told my friend that that should tell you something.
The guy has a lot of demons that are attracted to what he's doing and that the deliverance messages Contain a false gospel.
Thank you, and I did start a thread about it in the prayer requests section a few days ago.
https://christianchat.com/prayer-requests/a-death-in-the-family.217951/
https://christianchat.com/prayer-requests/a-death-in-the-family.217951/
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Oh boy!
It began at when first born from mom here on earth. I was not to be here, per the Doctors in 1950's. My Mom had a miscarriage at age 41 or so, the doctors told her to not get pregnant again, if she did she would die and so would the baby. My Dad told my mom, I guess we ar not meant to have "Howard" yes my name is Howard. I came out of my moms womb at age 53 in 1957.
I am the fifth child, the youngest and yes spoiled. I messed up a lot, yet never had fear, I would from day one face, whatever was in front of me. I do not know why no fear, yet no fear, except (1 John 4:18)
I stole, I lied, I preached, and was haughty much. I drank too much from 14 to about 27, and then quit., by God's truth shared from God to me, God loves us all and shared my drinking too much was not good for me, I agreed and stopped, not haughtily, humbly in reverence willingly.
Then other sin issues has gotten peeled off since, like peeling an onion not knowing the center of an Onion is sweet as could ever be, yet to get to that center there is much turmoil to go through first, many tears and people call that fear and are misinterpreting fear.
I was killed at age 12 by an abusive person, choked to death, left on the ground, blue in the face, I lived thank God. My youngest sister died on an overdose at age 18, I was 14.
I went off a bridge in a dune-buggy and got out from underneath the water, along with three others. When the Dunne-buggy was inspected where it was at, they reported that it had to be shoved off the bridge, anyone in it would be dead and they went looking down stream for any bodies. The Song "Stairway to Heaven" was playing when the front right tire hit the side and we went off.
I have been shot, stabbed, and every time left for dead. Even threatened to be shot, and said to that person threatening , "Go ahead" sent me home to Heaven and you go to Jail for the rest of your life. That person left in disgust, then came back and asked for me to pray for him forgive him, I replied already done, love you.
After quitting drinking at age 27, I decided to do something with my life and started a Job, went to school learned about Air conditioning, refrigeration and started my own business
Then had a house full of people, coming in and out being told God just loves them Start there.
Yes there were those that took this love of God for granted.
I would not stop, cannot stop, will not stop.
Then in 2012 I end up in a hospital, found out I had Foreigners Gang green, a urinary tract infection. In 2012 those who ever got that, 93 to 95% did not live
I died 7 times per the Doctors who said that they resuscitated me 7 times
I got my stomach cut open from below my personals to the top of my stomach. They cut out 20 inches of my large intestine. And my personal penis also, gang green was over taken and they could not save it. It was Doctor Jeremy Meyers that saved me, the top Urologist of the US back then.
He designed a new plan how to save me. He cut me open, put a hole in between my asshole and my balls. Took a Grissiles muscle out of my left leg. And put that in at my bladder to keep me from peeing, unless I Cath. I Cath been doing that ever since 2012
I died, so many times I reckon me dead and held alive as in Acts 17:28 states about the disciples
You see, until one anyone accepts God by Son did take away all sin (John 1:29, John 19:30) at that cross once for everyone. One, at least me never truly experienced this mercy until I accepted it, I had gotten put under Law from a man made Church, in 1997, called by them the new Church, =(Not True) it is under Law to do to get in or keep in, once anyone believes God in Son read Hebrews 8:1-4, really the whole Chapter
It is like the leaders there having a hammer and I got hammered, I am not good enough, I need more forgiveness. I now say why yes I am not and never will be, so therefore I stand in thanksgiving and praise to God all sin taken away by Son as far as the east is from the west, I rest, no more works of self, only the done work of God now. Rest (Hebrews 4) it is the risen Life of Jesus the Christ that saves anyone that stands in belief to God no matter what one does or anyone else does
We all as I see I need God to lead, not self or anyone else in flesh and blood, (Phil 3) we all put our pants on one leg at a time, it is a personal relationship forever between Father God and you, Jesus won for us to be one with Father and son as Won (One) no one else to ever teach us, Father does that in us, frees you
This world wants you to worry, God says or better yet asks will worry add even a single moment to your life? (Matt 6) my answer
Never has never will and can't, so I saw to trust God and stop worrying over anything, even though I have, still learning not to daily, Not to even condemn myself ever, since God does not and has not, I stand in thanksgiving and praise over that alone, seeing. when others accuse or excuse me *Usually is my thought) they are nothing more than people of the flesh nature leading them to have to do to get, and be a person better than anyone else, by accusing and excusing. I bet you have been there too.
You believe Sister, God accepts you personally Eph 1:6, God forgave you personally Eph 1:7
And God \sealed you Eph 1:13 to see it and stand in it no matter what you have done or might do, that is when I changed and saw harming me or others was not good for me, I got it, get it to choose not be told what to do by others ever again, and see to remain humble in being aware of the evil all around me, not in me since God is here forever for us all, and in you too
God is our friend, Church buildings do not preach that, they might, then comes the Hammer
When one gets told God loves them, then they put down a hammer these do not see the truth
Love to you as you have been going through your own troubles, you are growing his feet to now be able to skip with Father and Son through the Mountains
Go Sis, go
It began at when first born from mom here on earth. I was not to be here, per the Doctors in 1950's. My Mom had a miscarriage at age 41 or so, the doctors told her to not get pregnant again, if she did she would die and so would the baby. My Dad told my mom, I guess we ar not meant to have "Howard" yes my name is Howard. I came out of my moms womb at age 53 in 1957.
I am the fifth child, the youngest and yes spoiled. I messed up a lot, yet never had fear, I would from day one face, whatever was in front of me. I do not know why no fear, yet no fear, except (1 John 4:18)
I stole, I lied, I preached, and was haughty much. I drank too much from 14 to about 27, and then quit., by God's truth shared from God to me, God loves us all and shared my drinking too much was not good for me, I agreed and stopped, not haughtily, humbly in reverence willingly.
Then other sin issues has gotten peeled off since, like peeling an onion not knowing the center of an Onion is sweet as could ever be, yet to get to that center there is much turmoil to go through first, many tears and people call that fear and are misinterpreting fear.
I was killed at age 12 by an abusive person, choked to death, left on the ground, blue in the face, I lived thank God. My youngest sister died on an overdose at age 18, I was 14.
I went off a bridge in a dune-buggy and got out from underneath the water, along with three others. When the Dunne-buggy was inspected where it was at, they reported that it had to be shoved off the bridge, anyone in it would be dead and they went looking down stream for any bodies. The Song "Stairway to Heaven" was playing when the front right tire hit the side and we went off.
I have been shot, stabbed, and every time left for dead. Even threatened to be shot, and said to that person threatening , "Go ahead" sent me home to Heaven and you go to Jail for the rest of your life. That person left in disgust, then came back and asked for me to pray for him forgive him, I replied already done, love you.
After quitting drinking at age 27, I decided to do something with my life and started a Job, went to school learned about Air conditioning, refrigeration and started my own business
Then had a house full of people, coming in and out being told God just loves them Start there.
Yes there were those that took this love of God for granted.
I would not stop, cannot stop, will not stop.
Then in 2012 I end up in a hospital, found out I had Foreigners Gang green, a urinary tract infection. In 2012 those who ever got that, 93 to 95% did not live
I died 7 times per the Doctors who said that they resuscitated me 7 times
I got my stomach cut open from below my personals to the top of my stomach. They cut out 20 inches of my large intestine. And my personal penis also, gang green was over taken and they could not save it. It was Doctor Jeremy Meyers that saved me, the top Urologist of the US back then.
He designed a new plan how to save me. He cut me open, put a hole in between my asshole and my balls. Took a Grissiles muscle out of my left leg. And put that in at my bladder to keep me from peeing, unless I Cath. I Cath been doing that ever since 2012
I died, so many times I reckon me dead and held alive as in Acts 17:28 states about the disciples
You see, until one anyone accepts God by Son did take away all sin (John 1:29, John 19:30) at that cross once for everyone. One, at least me never truly experienced this mercy until I accepted it, I had gotten put under Law from a man made Church, in 1997, called by them the new Church, =(Not True) it is under Law to do to get in or keep in, once anyone believes God in Son read Hebrews 8:1-4, really the whole Chapter
It is like the leaders there having a hammer and I got hammered, I am not good enough, I need more forgiveness. I now say why yes I am not and never will be, so therefore I stand in thanksgiving and praise to God all sin taken away by Son as far as the east is from the west, I rest, no more works of self, only the done work of God now. Rest (Hebrews 4) it is the risen Life of Jesus the Christ that saves anyone that stands in belief to God no matter what one does or anyone else does
We all as I see I need God to lead, not self or anyone else in flesh and blood, (Phil 3) we all put our pants on one leg at a time, it is a personal relationship forever between Father God and you, Jesus won for us to be one with Father and son as Won (One) no one else to ever teach us, Father does that in us, frees you
This world wants you to worry, God says or better yet asks will worry add even a single moment to your life? (Matt 6) my answer
Never has never will and can't, so I saw to trust God and stop worrying over anything, even though I have, still learning not to daily, Not to even condemn myself ever, since God does not and has not, I stand in thanksgiving and praise over that alone, seeing. when others accuse or excuse me *Usually is my thought) they are nothing more than people of the flesh nature leading them to have to do to get, and be a person better than anyone else, by accusing and excusing. I bet you have been there too.
You believe Sister, God accepts you personally Eph 1:6, God forgave you personally Eph 1:7
And God \sealed you Eph 1:13 to see it and stand in it no matter what you have done or might do, that is when I changed and saw harming me or others was not good for me, I got it, get it to choose not be told what to do by others ever again, and see to remain humble in being aware of the evil all around me, not in me since God is here forever for us all, and in you too
God is our friend, Church buildings do not preach that, they might, then comes the Hammer
When one gets told God loves them, then they put down a hammer these do not see the truth
Love to you as you have been going through your own troubles, you are growing his feet to now be able to skip with Father and Son through the Mountains
Go Sis, go
Why do people here keep talking about "being taken over by them," or about "being possessed by them," with the "them" being demons, when I have clearly and repeatedly stated that I am not talking about "demon possession" here?
Again, I do not believe that either a Christian or a non-Christian can be "possessed" by the devil. "Possession," to me, means complete ownership or being completely in control of a person. Even in the most extreme example that we are given in scripture of a man having a legion, or 6000 demons, dwelling inside of him, that man was able to run to Jesus, and to worship him, of his own volition, despite being indwelt by 6000 demons at that point in time. In other words, he was not "possessed" by demons. Did they have strong influence in his life and behavior? Absolutely, but they did not "possess" him.
Can people here please stop arguing against demonic possession?
Again, that is not the topic of this discussion.
Instead, the question is "Can a Christian have a demon dwelling inside of them?"
Thank you.
P.S.
I am not singling Blain out here. In other words, several other people here have previously argued against "demonic possession," and that was never the intended topic of this discussion.
Again, I do not believe that either a Christian or a non-Christian can be "possessed" by the devil. "Possession," to me, means complete ownership or being completely in control of a person. Even in the most extreme example that we are given in scripture of a man having a legion, or 6000 demons, dwelling inside of him, that man was able to run to Jesus, and to worship him, of his own volition, despite being indwelt by 6000 demons at that point in time. In other words, he was not "possessed" by demons. Did they have strong influence in his life and behavior? Absolutely, but they did not "possess" him.
Can people here please stop arguing against demonic possession?
Again, that is not the topic of this discussion.
Instead, the question is "Can a Christian have a demon dwelling inside of them?"
Thank you.
P.S.
I am not singling Blain out here. In other words, several other people here have previously argued against "demonic possession," and that was never the intended topic of this discussion.
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sorry that possesssion and indweling thing is not meant to be the same the posession thing and indweling just keep getting confused in my mind. but even the indwelling is hard to find in scripture it has to be a stretch to make it seem that way too as the only one who had demons dweling in them is that man with legion but he was not a Christian nor was he saved he worshipped Jesus because he knew who he was not because he followed him
any christian /follower of christ is not mentioned to have demon dweling in them either only being called demonic behavior. have you seen anywhere in scripture that a follower of Christ has demons in them dweling in them? if not then it cannot be so we have to be careful also to not try to make scripture say something it isn't and I did do plenty of searching for weling as well as possession neither one is ever mentioned in the followers of Christ.
any christian /follower of christ is not mentioned to have demon dweling in them either only being called demonic behavior. have you seen anywhere in scripture that a follower of Christ has demons in them dweling in them? if not then it cannot be so we have to be careful also to not try to make scripture say something it isn't and I did do plenty of searching for weling as well as possession neither one is ever mentioned in the followers of Christ.
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thank you for thus clarification.
"Can a Christian have a demon dwelling inside of them?"
I think by inviting willingly, yes, yet if a true believer, (not just a mouth breather,) no way, I think I get what you are now asking and thank you
there are many that make up themselves as to seem as are in and might not be, truthfully I see it bountifully between God and that person as in Romans 8:15-16 tells me. I see to daily examine me, to not get caught up in religion or under Law to do, since by God I am accepted, forgiven and sealed by God, there be no need to prove a thing to anyone is there? For me no way, thanks
I see Gal 2:20 as real and it be God that reveals this to each of God's period to me at least after a long time first under Law first, stressed out, then, no more, now upholding Law as good, I need God the only righteous one to lead, not me at all anymore.
"Can a Christian have a demon dwelling inside of them?"
I think by inviting willingly, yes, yet if a true believer, (not just a mouth breather,) no way, I think I get what you are now asking and thank you
there are many that make up themselves as to seem as are in and might not be, truthfully I see it bountifully between God and that person as in Romans 8:15-16 tells me. I see to daily examine me, to not get caught up in religion or under Law to do, since by God I am accepted, forgiven and sealed by God, there be no need to prove a thing to anyone is there? For me no way, thanks
I see Gal 2:20 as real and it be God that reveals this to each of God's period to me at least after a long time first under Law first, stressed out, then, no more, now upholding Law as good, I need God the only righteous one to lead, not me at all anymore.
Have you considered what I previously shared here? For example, have you considered this which I will now cut and paste from a previous post of mine?
Please consider what Paul said here to the Christians at Corinth.
2Co 10:3
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)
2Co 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
While writing to Christians, Paul informed them that both he and they were in a war, and that the war was not after the flesh, or that the weapons of their warfare were not carnal, but mighty through God instead. In other words, Paul informed them that both they and he (and we, by extension) were in a spiritual war which required spiritual weaponry in order to overcome.
In this instance, Paul adequately described the battleground for this spiritual war when he spoke of pulling down strongholds, and casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
Let's pause here for a moment and ask ourselves where these strongholds were located in Christians, or where these imaginations, this knowledge, or these thoughts were to be found.
I think that we would all agree that these things (strongholds, imaginations, knowledge, and thoughts) reside IN one's mind, or INSIDE OF THEM, as opposed to residing somewhere OUTSIDE OF THEM, and, again, these things required spiritual weaponry in order to be properly dealt with.
Why would Christians need spiritual weaponry to set their minds straight unless they were dealing with spiritual forces?
Seeing how this spiritual battleground of the mind resides INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS, ought we not to consider that the spiritual forces which are being fought against with spiritual weaponry similarly reside INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS?
These seem like fair questions to me, and I believe that the correct biblical answers are that Christians can have spirits INSIDE OF THEM which are negatively affecting their minds.
Does this make sense to you?
If not, then please tell why it does not.
Thank you.
Please consider what Paul said here to the Christians at Corinth.
2Co 10:3
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)
2Co 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6
And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
While writing to Christians, Paul informed them that both he and they were in a war, and that the war was not after the flesh, or that the weapons of their warfare were not carnal, but mighty through God instead. In other words, Paul informed them that both they and he (and we, by extension) were in a spiritual war which required spiritual weaponry in order to overcome.
In this instance, Paul adequately described the battleground for this spiritual war when he spoke of pulling down strongholds, and casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
Let's pause here for a moment and ask ourselves where these strongholds were located in Christians, or where these imaginations, this knowledge, or these thoughts were to be found.
I think that we would all agree that these things (strongholds, imaginations, knowledge, and thoughts) reside IN one's mind, or INSIDE OF THEM, as opposed to residing somewhere OUTSIDE OF THEM, and, again, these things required spiritual weaponry in order to be properly dealt with.
Why would Christians need spiritual weaponry to set their minds straight unless they were dealing with spiritual forces?
Seeing how this spiritual battleground of the mind resides INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS, ought we not to consider that the spiritual forces which are being fought against with spiritual weaponry similarly reside INSIDE OF CHRISTIANS?
These seem like fair questions to me, and I believe that the correct biblical answers are that Christians can have spirits INSIDE OF THEM which are negatively affecting their minds.
Does this make sense to you?
If not, then please tell why it does not.
Thank you.