The conondrum with men/ women and pursuit.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Jan 25, 2025
54
18
8
#1
****So, I am going to make sure that I don't generalize too much on this topic, since I know that it's quite possible that this problem might not exist in other parts of North America. I can only speak from my limited experience in Canada and I can scale it down even further, down to a small demographic of people in BC. So if this issue does not exist or apply where you are, then feel free to skip it.

So, something I have become blatently aware of, seems to be an increase in the number of men that will not pursue a girl. It has seen a lot more common where I am, for women to pursue men. When I have polled my girl friends why they feel the need to pursue men, they tell me that they feel that men are not interested in really pursuing women anymore like they used to. (Please note this is referencing the Christian community...I assume plenty of men are pursuing in seccular places of business but I can't really say since I don't go to a lot of places)

So this poses the question of WHY?


I have personally been thinking about this one a lot and my theory is, there has been a movement of femanism that has risen up in the past 10-15 years that wasnt as prevelent before. Women became more empowered to be more independent. While, there is nothing inherently wrong with independence, it can be taken to an extreme. I wonder if many men look at women and go "well she doesn't need me/want me..what would my role in her life possibly be if she is doing all this on her own and seemingly doesnt need a man?" I kind of wonder, if this new found independence and empowerment of women has actually caused men to feel demasculated? Have men lost the courage to approach women? If so, why? Is it fear of rejection? Also, why does this issue seem to exist more within the christian/religious community?

Here is another conondrum. If women are not supposed to pursue men. If women should be waiting for God to bring them their spouse, then how on earth are women supposed to meet a man if men are not willing to pursue? Doesn't it seem like that would mean, they are left with little choice but to pursue?

All that said, this is my personal opinion or where I come from. I believe that men should pursue. I believe that God made men to pursue women. I believe that it is apart of there built in masculinity. As a women, there is something incredibly attractive and assuring about a man that pursues. It not only shows courage and willingness to take risk, it shows a man who is strong in character. It takes bravery to step out and pursue, knowing that there is a high liklihood of being rejected.

Also, my personal feeling is- I need a husband. In other words, I am not sure how other women came to think that being independent and "power to the women" and living without men/a man is the way to be, but I just can't get on board with that. I think that God totally created men and women to be each others strengths where we are weak, to compliment one another's character. I mean, lets be real here. There are things men can do..that women can't and I don't care what women say about being able to do it just like a man can..I am sorry..but if it were true, then God wouldn't have created one for the other. He knew women would need man and man would need a women. That's why we are considered to be a "help mate" to man. Even, as someone with male friends, I can't imagine a life without having male friends. They literally help me with things I can not do, like fix my plumbing or go on my roof to fix it, or even just to be there to have a completely logical conversation lacking any emotion in it. Somtimes it is easier to have a conversation with a guy because ya'll don't get so overly emotional the way women can in response. We need each other's perspective.

Thoughts? (Have i totally just opened a big can of worms??)
 
Nov 14, 2024
1,088
762
113
#3
Now, my serious answer.

For me, the word "pursuit" conjures up an image of one person chasing after another person with the hope of eventually catching or capturing them. You know, sort of like the police pursuing a criminal. Personally, I hate a chase. If someone is running away from me, or if someone is hiding their feelings from me, then I just let them go. Granted, I may be harping too much on the literal meaning of "pursuit," but my point is this:

Women, if you like a man, then just let him know. If he is a decent guy, and there are still some of those in this world, and if he also likes you, then you will get more than enough of his attention. In this world, men have enough to strive for already. Stop running or hiding, and just let him know that you like him.

That is my two cents worth.
 
Nov 14, 2024
1,088
762
113
#4
I am sorry, but I need to add this.

Women, if you don't want a man to know that you like him, then don't be surprised when he thinks that you don't like him.

Women, if you want to send a man mixed signals, then don't be surprised when he is confused about how you feel about him.

I mean, whatever happened to "Honesty is the best policy?"

If you leave it to a man to guess what your feelings are, then I can pretty much guarantee you that he is going to make the wrong guess each and every time.

If you truly desire the type of logical man who can have a conversation without any emotion that was described in the OP, then here is an idea...

Be your true self so he can logically, and without any emotion, know how you feel about him.

TRUST ME, men are not mind-readers.

Okay, I am done.
 

maxwel

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2013
9,729
2,782
113
#6
seems to be an increase in the number of men that will not pursue a girl.
What you're describing is just a quite natural reaction to 3rd and 4th wave feminism, where women have gone on a rampage attacking men for being men.

Mens' natural reaction to being called toxic and horrible, and having their lives destroyed for merely saying "hello" to the wrong woman, is to have an aversion to women. If something keeps biting you, you learn to stay away from it.


All of this is much less prevalent among Bible believing Christians, where the women actually like men, and want a husband.
So if you're looking for a fellow among Christian folk, then this cultural madness shouldn't be a problem.
(In liberal or progressive churches however, it's going to be identical to the rest of the culture.)

.
 
Jan 25, 2025
54
18
8
#7
What you're describing is just a quite natural reaction to 3rd and 4th wave feminism, where women have gone on a rampage attacking men for being men.

Mens' natural reaction to being called toxic and horrible, and having their lives destroyed for merely saying "hello" to the wrong woman, is to have an aversion to women. If something keeps biting you, you learn to stay away from it.


All of this is much less prevalent among Bible believing Christians, where the women actually like men, and want a husband.
So if you're looking for a fellow among Christian folk, then this cultural madness shouldn't be a problem.
(In liberal or progressive churches however, it's going to be identical to the rest of the culture.)

.

Where I am..its incredibly hard to find a man these days, who will actually pursue a women within the christian community. Most of them seem pretty shy.
 

Lynx

Folksy yet erudite
Aug 13, 2014
27,968
9,845
113
#11
Where I am..its incredibly hard to find a man these days, who will actually pursue a women within the christian community. Most of them seem pretty shy.
What's so hot about pursuing?

Whatever happened to a friendship that grows into something more?

If he has to pursue, why are you running?

What happens if you meet a guy you think is perfect, somebody you fall in love with the first time you see him, but he does not ask you out? Will you let him go or ask him out?
 
Jan 25, 2025
54
18
8
#12
What's so hot about pursuing?

Whatever happened to a friendship that grows into something more?

If he has to pursue, why are you running?

What happens if you meet a guy you think is perfect, somebody you fall in love with the first time you see him, but he does not ask you out? Will you let him go or ask him out?
Oh i would love a friendship that grows into something more. In fact, that is the best thing i could ever hope for.
I dont think just because someone is pursing, it means you are running.

I dont know Lynx. Thats a good last question. I dont know what to say about that. I havent really been one to ask guys out. I think I have made my feelings clear but never actually asked them out.
 

Lynx

Folksy yet erudite
Aug 13, 2014
27,968
9,845
113
#13
****So, I am going to make sure that I don't generalize too much on this topic, since I know that it's quite possible that this problem might not exist in other parts of North America. I can only speak from my limited experience in Canada and I can scale it down even further, down to a small demographic of people in BC. So if this issue does not exist or apply where you are, then feel free to skip it.

So, something I have become blatently aware of, seems to be an increase in the number of men that will not pursue a girl. It has seen a lot more common where I am, for women to pursue men. When I have polled my girl friends why they feel the need to pursue men, they tell me that they feel that men are not interested in really pursuing women anymore like they used to. (Please note this is referencing the Christian community...I assume plenty of men are pursuing in seccular places of business but I can't really say since I don't go to a lot of places)

So this poses the question of WHY?


I have personally been thinking about this one a lot and my theory is, there has been a movement of femanism that has risen up in the past 10-15 years that wasnt as prevelent before. Women became more empowered to be more independent. While, there is nothing inherently wrong with independence, it can be taken to an extreme. I wonder if many men look at women and go "well she doesn't need me/want me..what would my role in her life possibly be if she is doing all this on her own and seemingly doesnt need a man?" I kind of wonder, if this new found independence and empowerment of women has actually caused men to feel demasculated? Have men lost the courage to approach women? If so, why? Is it fear of rejection? Also, why does this issue seem to exist more within the christian/religious community?

Here is another conondrum. If women are not supposed to pursue men. If women should be waiting for God to bring them their spouse, then how on earth are women supposed to meet a man if men are not willing to pursue? Doesn't it seem like that would mean, they are left with little choice but to pursue?

All that said, this is my personal opinion or where I come from. I believe that men should pursue. I believe that God made men to pursue women. I believe that it is apart of there built in masculinity. As a women, there is something incredibly attractive and assuring about a man that pursues. It not only shows courage and willingness to take risk, it shows a man who is strong in character. It takes bravery to step out and pursue, knowing that there is a high liklihood of being rejected.

Also, my personal feeling is- I need a husband. In other words, I am not sure how other women came to think that being independent and "power to the women" and living without men/a man is the way to be, but I just can't get on board with that. I think that God totally created men and women to be each others strengths where we are weak, to compliment one another's character. I mean, lets be real here. There are things men can do..that women can't and I don't care what women say about being able to do it just like a man can..I am sorry..but if it were true, then God wouldn't have created one for the other. He knew women would need man and man would need a women. That's why we are considered to be a "help mate" to man. Even, as someone with male friends, I can't imagine a life without having male friends. They literally help me with things I can not do, like fix my plumbing or go on my roof to fix it, or even just to be there to have a completely logical conversation lacking any emotion in it. Somtimes it is easier to have a conversation with a guy because ya'll don't get so overly emotional the way women can in response. We need each other's perspective.

Thoughts? (Have i totally just opened a big can of worms??)
Personally I am still single at 46 because I just haven't bothered trying to find a woman. I could probably find one if I felt like I needed one, but right now I don't feel like I need one.

Of course this may change, depending on many factors. But right now I am too indolent to go chasing after a woman, and I don't really see any need in it. I can wash my own clothes, cook my own meals, etc.

You theorized that men are put off by women who do not seem to need them. I have the opposite perspective. I just don't think I need a woman.

If you want to change my mind, you're welcome to try. What are you doing Friday night? :cool:
 
Jan 25, 2025
54
18
8
#14
Personally I am still single at 46 because I just haven't bothered trying to find a woman. I could probably find one if I felt like I needed one, but right now I don't feel like I need one.

Of course this may change, depending on many factors. But right now I am too indolent to go chasing after a woman, and I don't really see any need in it. I can wash my own clothes, cook my own meals, etc.

You theorized that men are put off by women who do not seem to need them. I have the opposite perspective. I just don't think I need a woman.

If you want to change my mind, you're welcome to try. What are you doing Friday night? :cool:
Well, i mean..if your asking...lets talk about it over a Coke?
 
Jan 25, 2025
54
18
8
#17
Don't get the idea that I'm pursuing. You are way too far away and I have no passport. :p
Ouch! lol I said nothing about pursuit. I just mentioned drinking coke and skipping through walmart serenading. And your in luck.. i do have a passport and know how to use it... BAM. I am actually headed out to Omaha Nebraska soon. I was trying to plan a road trip across the US. I wanted to go as far as SC
 

Lynx

Folksy yet erudite
Aug 13, 2014
27,968
9,845
113
#18
Ouch! lol I said nothing about pursuit. I just mentioned drinking coke and skipping through walmart serenading. And your in luck.. i do have a passport and know how to use it... BAM. I am actually headed out to Omaha Nebraska soon. I was trying to plan a road trip across the US. I wanted to go as far as SC
Wait, skipping? There was no mention of skipping earlier... This is more than the original mission statement contained.

I might occasionally skip down the hall at my job, just to keep people wondering about me, but skipping all the way through Walmart is a different matter. I might be a little bit too old for that.
 

MsMediator

Well-known member
Mar 8, 2022
1,226
819
113
#19
Men and women, especially the younger generations, are much less interested in sex, and getting married/having children. This reduces the desire to date. I also see that guys are getting more comfortable with hanging out with eachother, not as much so but like women. Also, people are more focused on themselves, not necessarily in a shallow way but working to improve themselves. I also think people get too comfortable living alone. In the past people didn't really live alone for extended times, especially women.