Among Christian Groups today. Who did not pass this verse?

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Here is another evidence of God that Jesus Christ is the God of Abraham who made a testament and to fulfill it by his own death.
This is when Jesus was dying in the cross. But before he died he said the word IT IS FINISH.
Isn't it Jesus is referring to the testament that it is already fulfilled because anytime he will die.
JOHN 19:13
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When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

God revealed to us that Jesus came in the Flesh is the God of Abraham himself to fulfill the testament in his own death.

There is another question to raise.
How come there are several times we can read Jesus Christ is talking to his Father (God of Abraham) if Jesus is God The Father?

When Simon Peter said the Jesus you are The Christ, but Peter also said You Are The Son of The Living God?
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If Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they call Father.

But Simon Peter also said, You are The Son of The Living God.
The meaning of this was revealed by the Lord Jesus Christ to Peter also.
Jesus being The Son of The Living God is showing the Example on how to become the Son of God that must be followed.
1PETER 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Jesus as The Son of The Living God, what kind of example he want to show us on how to become a Son of God?
 

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I am the root and offspring of David, the bright and morning star.
Revelation 22:16.


Fully man, fully God.
 

homwardbound

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If Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they call Father.

But Simon Peter also said, You are The Son of The Living God.
The meaning of this was revealed by the Lord Jesus Christ to Peter also.
Jesus being The Son of The Living God is showing the Example on how to become the Son of God that must be followed.
1PETER 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Jesus as The Son of The Living God, what kind of example he want to show us on how to become a Son of God?
Be willing to God Father as Son was the entire time here on earth first. For he did or said nothing without Father's approval first.
That includes willing death to fulfill the Law of Moses, that God gave them, before the Son came here. That they said they would do and did not and even added more Law to those Ten, trying to do what no flesh can do, So Son came here to earth to take our place of flesh and blood and reveal to us how to walk by Father's lead alone. Proven in the First (Old) Testament to me at least, no flesh can please God But the born new flesh given to us by God, getting a new mind set in the spirit of God given us to see and do automatically love, (1 Cor 13:4-7) loving all in the same love Son did for us all through the cross, New life is in the resurrection, the death was for reconciliation first. (2 Cor 5:17-20) So anyone can now go to Father in Spirit and Truth and believe God, then hear from God personally, truth over error and love all in that same mercy and love given them as forgiven, settle that first between God and you thank you to do and not harm anyone anymore from \that old first born flesh nature
Born new in God's Spirit and truth thank you God just loves us all y'all
 
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If Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they call Father.

But Simon Peter also said, You are The Son of The Living God.
The meaning of this was revealed by the Lord Jesus Christ to Peter also.
Jesus being The Son of The Living God is showing the Example on how to become the Son of God that must be followed.
1PETER 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Jesus as The Son of The Living God, what kind of example he want to show us on how to become a Son of God?
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Nobody in this world could show the way on how to become son of God but Jesus in his role as Son of The living God Alone.
That is why Jesus as Son of God said this.
JOHN 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Yes, Jesus in One Body has 2 Roles namely:
1st Role: As The Father. Christ or Savior, the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they called Father.
2nd Role: As The Son of God to Show The Way.
 
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Nobody in this world could show the way on how to become son of God but Jesus in his role as Son of The living God Alone.
That is why Jesus as Son of God said this.
JOHN 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Yes, Jesus in One Body has 2 Roles namely:
1st Role: As The Father. Christ or Savior, the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom they called Father.
2nd Role: As The Son of God to Show The Way.
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Once Jesus showed the way (John 14:6) we must follow his steps (1Peter 2:21) on how so we can come unto the Father.

For a man's way, we must help the needy and do charity works lead to everlasting life.
Helping the needy and make charities is a good habit. The earth need that so people can show love to one another.
When you are helping the needy and do charity works, people will thank and praise you. That is the reward in doing it.

Unfortunately, when I read my Holy Bible, Jesus in his role as the Son of God, did not do it.
We are talking about God and God's words for everlasting life.
 

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Moroni was supposedly the angel's name... a quick search reveals that Moroni is thought by Latter Day Saints to be
the same person as a Book of Mormon prophet-warrior named Moroni, who was the last to write in the golden plates.


Christadelphians also deny the Deity of Jesus Christ...

(Not sure if anyone mentioned that yet.)
 

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I would argue Jehovah's Witnesses do not pass that test.

Perhaps Mormons but i dont know enough about them to say for sure. From what I know they believe Jesus is God, but there are three distinct Gods.

The biblical unitarians as they call themselves probably don't pass this either as they dont believe Jesus is divine but just a human being. Reason I say this is because there is nothing odd or miraculous of a human being "come in the flesh", which is why I believe this verse is referring to John 1:1 where the Word (who was God) became flesh. Its written by the same author so it would make sense for John to use it in this manner.
mormons are a very divided religion, with many offshoot cults with slightly different beliefs.
 

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Moroni was supposedly the angel's name... a quick search reveals that Moroni is thought by Latter Day Saints to be
the same person as a Book of Mormon prophet-warrior named Moroni, who was the last to write in the golden plates.


Christadelphians also deny the Deity of Jesus Christ...

(Not sure if anyone mentioned that yet.)
and mormo is some evil spirit
 
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Once Jesus showed the way (John 14:6) we must follow his steps (1Peter 2:21) on how so we can come unto the Father.

For a man's way, we must help the needy and do charity works lead to everlasting life.
Helping the needy and make charities is a good habit. The earth need that so people can show love to one another.
When you are helping the needy and do charity works, people will thank and praise you. That is the reward in doing it.

Unfortunately, when I read my Holy Bible, Jesus in his role as the Son of God, did not do it.
We are talking about God and God's words for everlasting life.
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What Jesus did as the only way to come to the Father?
 

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Once Jesus showed the way (John 14:6) we must follow his steps (1Peter 2:21) on how so we can come unto the Father.

For a man's way, we must help the needy and do charity works lead to everlasting life.
Helping the needy and make charities is a good habit. The earth need that so people can show love to one another.
When you are helping the needy and do charity works, people will thank and praise you. That is the reward in doing it.

Unfortunately, when I read my Holy Bible, Jesus in his role as the Son of God, did not do it.
We are talking about God and God's words for everlasting life.
if called by God Father to do whatever is needed for the next person, one will willingly do it or not according to Father's love for them given them in risen Son to them thanks
Love to Father above everything else first. then love for all is in these new kids in the risen Son leading them and these do it willingly. Seeing sometimes we are not to give for the best interest of tha tother person to see new in God for them
Delivered to evil or not is what is done for many as in 1 Timothy 1 explains this to me at least
A time to and a time not to. god to me is the one and only one that knows this, since works can never get me in, only God's love through Son it is done for this to be done in us too
 
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What Jesus did as the only way to come to the Father?
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Let us not forget.
What Jesus did to show the way is for the benefits of the soul and not flesh.

When it comes to the word of God this is what Jesus did as THE ONLY WAY TO COME UNTO THE FATHER.

First Instance in showing the way.
Jesus was given a wisdom from God that is why people in his town who know his family were amazed to him.
MARK 6:3
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And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

But Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God never claimed to himself this wisdom he had.
JOHN 5:19
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Second instance in showing the way.
Jesus never committed sins.
1PETER 3:8
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For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

But Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God never claimed to himself that he is Just.
LUKE 18:18-19
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

If we describe the two instances demonstrated by Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God in One Word it is HUMBLENESS.

Jesus served as Model in 1PETER 2:21 to show The Way in John 14:6 which is HUMBLENESS to GOD.

Therefore: When it comes to The Word of God or when it comes to salvation of souls the only way is to become HUMBLE to God.

In our times today (referring to spirituality), who will admit to themselves that they Know Nothing. Who will also admit to themselves that they are Unjust.

Remember, this is what Jesus showed the way to come unto The Father.
 

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1 JOHN 4:2-3

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
While it's not totally wrong to talk about the spirit of a fellowship since they are always following some source, this verse is speaking primarily of testing literal spiritual entities. In other words, checking to see if a source is God or demonic. This is because Satan has a particular delection for dismissing humanity as capable of anything, and therefore particularly doesn't want to admit that Jesus beat him as a human.

Even with spiritual entities, though, realize there is a difference between a spirit confessing something and merely saying it. Therefore, be sure to check-in with God while applying even biblically- sourced tests.
 
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Let us not forget.
What Jesus did to show the way is for the benefits of the soul and not flesh.

When it comes to the word of God this is what Jesus did as THE ONLY WAY TO COME UNTO THE FATHER.

First Instance in showing the way.
Jesus was given a wisdom from God that is why people in his town who know his family were amazed to him.
MARK 6:3
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And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

But Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God never claimed to himself this wisdom he had.
JOHN 5:19
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Second instance in showing the way.
Jesus never committed sins.
1PETER 3:8
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For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

But Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God never claimed to himself that he is Just.
LUKE 18:18-19
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

If we describe the two instances demonstrated by Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God in One Word it is HUMBLENESS.

Jesus served as Model in 1PETER 2:21 to show The Way in John 14:6 which is HUMBLENESS to GOD.

Therefore: When it comes to The Word of God or when it comes to salvation of souls the only way is to become HUMBLE to God.

In our times today (referring to spirituality), who will admit to themselves that they Know Nothing. Who will also admit to themselves that they are Unjust.

Remember, this is what Jesus showed the way to come unto The Father.
through belief he is the risen life where all sin is now taken out of the way for new life in the risen Christ to lead through us, me at least, no work can do it, but the done work of Son done once for us all to be new in love and mercy from it, for all, done first for us all by Son
Hebrews 10:10, new life is in the risen Christ Hebrews 9:14-17 to believe it, stand in it and trust continually to God Father it is finished as said in John 19:30, Son did the work for us to be new in his risen life for us to love all, yes even those that once anyone might not like over any past troubles done to them. Yet we each have done wrong to others too, have we not? Therefore condemn no one, since Father and Son have chosen to not condemn you
Re-read John 8 please and see new thank you
 
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Let us not forget.
What Jesus did to show the way is for the benefits of the soul and not flesh.

When it comes to the word of God this is what Jesus did as THE ONLY WAY TO COME UNTO THE FATHER.

First Instance in showing the way.
Jesus was given a wisdom from God that is why people in his town who know his family were amazed to him.
MARK 6:3
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And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

But Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God never claimed to himself this wisdom he had.
JOHN 5:19
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Second instance in showing the way.
Jesus never committed sins.
1PETER 3:8
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For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

But Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God never claimed to himself that he is Just.
LUKE 18:18-19
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

If we describe the two instances demonstrated by Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God in One Word it is HUMBLENESS.

Jesus served as Model in 1PETER 2:21 to show The Way in John 14:6 which is HUMBLENESS to GOD.

Therefore: When it comes to The Word of God or when it comes to salvation of souls the only way is to become HUMBLE to God.

In our times today (referring to spirituality), who will admit to themselves that they Know Nothing. Who will also admit to themselves that they are Unjust.

Remember, this is what Jesus showed the way to come unto The Father.
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These qualities of Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God (John 5:19 & Luke 18:18-19) is equivalent to HUMBLENESS.
Being an humble (referring to the word of God) is what God The Father requires so he may grant the prayer.
That is why Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God fulfilled what God The Father said.
2CHRONICLES 7:14
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
 
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The offense was against posthuman. Perhaps you are unaware what "magical undies" refers to. It is a Mormon thing.
I learned about them when I was teaching bible study. One of my friends were of the Mormon church that attended he told me about the underwear garment. He burned them after the Lord saved him. He went a few years latter to be with the Lord. Praise God.
 
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I think it best that instead of judging and ridiculing Mormons and j.w. we should be praying for them.
Ever notice how they brainwash the youth into the cult practices and false teachings?
To me this is a demonic thing and should not be taken lightly.
I live a few miles away from the hill comorah and have seen the annual visits that they have. I've prayed against there practices and just a few short years ago they stopped that annual pilgrimage for what reason I have no idea but praise God a heavy influence was lifed and ended.
 
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These qualities of Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God (John 5:19 & Luke 18:18-19) is equivalent to HUMBLENESS.
Being an humble (referring to the word of God) is what God The Father requires so he may grant the prayer.
That is why Jesus in his 2nd role as The Son of God fulfilled what God The Father said.
2CHRONICLES 7:14
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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Saul of Tarsus who studied in a bible school to Gamaliel and became a religious leader.
Saul became well known as a Pharisee. Despite of the knowledge from The Words of God Taught him by Gamaliel he thrown them all and he humble himself and he admitted that he don't know The One True God.
ACTS 9:3-5
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
 
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Saul of Tarsus who studied in a bible school to Gamaliel and became a religious leader.
Saul became well known as a Pharisee. Despite of the knowledge from The Words of God Taught him by Gamaliel he thrown them all and he humble himself and he admitted that he don't know The One True God.
ACTS 9:3-5
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Yes Amen
It is the risen Jesus, that is the way, the truth the new life offered us all to be given free of charge from Father
I will say this again "It is the Risen Son" the only way to Father today and forever
As Jesus said in John 19:30 it is finished/ What is finished?
The Law of Moses it is now fulfilled correctly done taken care of
For what
A new High Priest Jesus that will never die ever again, He is risen! We are forgiven, and so a new law has taken the place of the old Law under a New Priest, that was not from the tribe of Levites Love, God's definition of Love 1 Cor 13:4-7

Ephesians 2:15
having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

We, those in the risen Son Jesus are in the Law of Love to all

Matthew 5:43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
  1. Matthew 5:44
    But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  2. Luke 6:28
    bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Do we do that above, once made new by God for you in risen Son for you or not? if not, you might not see truth as born new from God for you to all, you choose thank you

Each and every person knows the truth in themselves between God and themselves. So repent (Change your own mindset) to ask God for God's view of you and everyone else else. God went to a cross once for everyone, God loves us all y'all. otherwise that would not have ever been done?
God does just love us all y'all time to respond to God over responding to one another as if one is better than the other you think?