Understanding Jesus Christ

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Father God’s satisfaction
IMO, Father God would have been satisfied IF a sinless human
sacrificed him/her self to take away the sins of the human race!
However, no one was qualified … so, because of His great love for
the human race (which He created), He came to earth and took the
form of a human, and He lived a sinless life, and died in their place.


The Incarnation (birth of Jesus)
The Holy Spirit miraculously created the fetus of Jesus Christ
in the womb of the virgin Mary (Matthew 1:18,20; Luke 1:35).
Father God was referring to Jesus when He said:

“You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.
… I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.” (Hebrews 1:5)


Jesus, the Son of God
God the Holy Spirit was Jesus’ Father >> this is why Jesus was called “the Son of God”.
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most
High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy,
and he will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, obviously did NOT exist prior to the Incarnation.

Jesus Christ was “fully man”
Years ago, a British lady doctor told me that a baby inherits the DNA of BOTH parents.
So, due to Mary’s DNA and her sin nature, Jesus Christ was “fully man”.


The Word became flesh-human-Jesus
“In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God,
and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God.
… So the Word became human and made his home among us.” (John 1:1-14).

In the beginning, God the Word was actually the Second Person of the Trinity!
God the Word became Jesus (John 1:14) >>> so, He was “fully God”.


AFTER the Incarnation

“… the one who existed from the beginning, whom we have heard and seen.
… He is the Word of life. This one who is life itself was revealed to us …
He was with the Father (in the beginning), and then he was revealed to us.” (1 John 1:1-2)

God the Word was revealed to the world as the God-Man (Jesus Christ, the Son of God).
And so, “… his title was the Word of God.” (Revelation 19:13)

“… to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.
… Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.” (John 17:3-5)

Jesus is speaking here as the One who He knew He really was (God the Word).

“If a person … acknowledges that Jesus Christ came in a real body,
that person has the Spirit of God.” (1 John 4:2)
“… many deceivers have gone out into the world.
They deny that Jesus Christ came in a real body.” (2 John 7)

John is equating Jesus Christ with God the Word who became human (Jesus Christ).
 

Magenta

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The Word became flesh-human-Jesus
“In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God,
and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God.
… So the Word became human and made his home among us.” (John 1:1-14).

In the beginning, God the Word was actually the Second Person of the Trinity!
God the Word became Jesus (John 1:14) >>> so, He was “fully God”.

John 1:1 + 14a In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
:)
 

homwardbound

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Psalm 100:4
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Matthew 28:6
He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Matthew 26:32
But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.

Amazing he is risen and by this done work as risen has all sin taken out of the way by Son for us all from Daddy's view now and forever, reconciled 2 Cor. 5:17-20 and let no other person besiege you or lead you, since he is risen with the Law of Moses fulfilled by his done work once for us all to stand in. Thanksgiving and praise over it, at least me
A new law is now in place, the Law of love to all Hebrews 7:11-12
2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

So stop, running all over this world to find serenity and peace. Father God the Holy Spirit places this within you. will you Believe and stand in this too? Col 1:21-23 tells you, I see I believe and love all now, not a few as did prior to getting born new by Father in Father's Spirit and truth of the risen Jesus for me at least.Time for the next one, thanking Farther in/Daddy's timing, not anyone else's anymore
Stand in trust to it is done for you it is finished for you to be made new in the risen Son after that one time willing death took away all sin first in Daddy's view thank you. Then risen where new life for you too is given, no work ever needed again, Yet those that see this will work now, no more of self only willingly, then Daddy leads as in Luke 21:14-15. Thank you
 

Dino246

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Jesus, the Son of God
God the Holy Spirit was Jesus’ Father >> this is why Jesus was called “the Son of God”.
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most
High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy,
and he will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, obviously did NOT exist prior to the Incarnation.
While Jesus the human male did not exist until Mary became pregnant, the Person who died on the cross certainly did exist prior to the incarnation.

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever" (Hebrews 13:8). He was never "not God" and never "did not exist". He is the Creator of all that has been made (John 1:3).
 

homwardbound

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While Jesus the human male did not exist until Mary became pregnant, the Person who died on the cross certainly did exist prior to the incarnation.

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever" (Hebrews 13:8). He was never "not God" and never "did not exist". He is the Creator of all that has been made (John 1:3).
Now, since Father wanted no one to perish, the choice I see made is Son to go to death once for us all to get reconciled, forgiven through it
then risen to give new life in us to love all the same as Son did going to that cross once for us all, wow, woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7
 

Magenta

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So stop, running all over this world to find serenity and peace. Father God the Holy Spirit places this within you. will you Believe and stand in this too? Col 1:21-23 tells you, I see I believe and love all now, not a few as did prior to getting born new by Father in Father's Spirit and truth of the risen Jesus for me at least.Time for the next one, thanking Farther in/Daddy's timing, not anyone else's anymore
Stand in trust to it is done for you it is finished for you to be made new in the risen Son after that one time willing death took away all sin first in Daddy's view thank you. Then risen where new life for you too is given, no work ever needed again, Yet those that see this will work now, no more of self only willingly, then Daddy leads as in Luke 21:14-15. Thank you

Colossians 1:21-22 Once you were alienated from God and were hostile in your minds because of your evil deeds. But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence.
:)
 

maxwel

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God would have been satisfied IF a sinless human
sacrificed him/her self to take away the sins of the human race!

We might also want to consider that an ordinary human, even if he were sinless, would not be sufficient for such a sacrifice.

A finite, mortal, non-eternal being would not be sufficient for such an eternal sacrifice.

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Omegatime

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John 10:30 I and the Father are one

If you still do not understand the age and ministry of the Father which was the old Testament God came to fulfill.
 

Leastofall

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Father God’s satisfaction
IMO, Father God would have been satisfied IF a sinless human
sacrificed him/her self to take away the sins of the human race!
However, no one was qualified … so, because of His great love for
the human race (which He created), He came to earth and took the
form of a human, and He lived a sinless life, and died in their place.


The Incarnation (birth of Jesus)
The Holy Spirit miraculously created the fetus of Jesus Christ
in the womb of the virgin Mary (Matthew 1:18,20; Luke 1:35).
Father God was referring to Jesus when He said:

“You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.
… I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.” (Hebrews 1:5)


Jesus, the Son of God
God the Holy Spirit was Jesus’ Father >> this is why Jesus was called “the Son of God”.
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most
High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy,
and he will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, obviously did NOT exist prior to the Incarnation.

Jesus Christ was “fully man”
Years ago, a British lady doctor told me that a baby inherits the DNA of BOTH parents.
So, due to Mary’s DNA and her sin nature, Jesus Christ was “fully man”.


The Word became flesh-human-Jesus
“In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God,
and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God.
… So the Word became human and made his home among us.” (John 1:1-14).

In the beginning, God the Word was actually the Second Person of the Trinity!
God the Word became Jesus (John 1:14) >>> so, He was “fully God”.


AFTER the Incarnation

“… the one who existed from the beginning, whom we have heard and seen.
… He is the Word of life. This one who is life itself was revealed to us …
He was with the Father (in the beginning), and then he was revealed to us.” (1 John 1:1-2)

God the Word was revealed to the world as the God-Man (Jesus Christ, the Son of God).
And so, “… his title was the Word of God.” (Revelation 19:13)

“… to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.
… Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.” (John 17:3-5)

Jesus is speaking here as the One who He knew He really was (God the Word).

“If a person … acknowledges that Jesus Christ came in a real body,
that person has the Spirit of God.” (1 John 4:2)
“… many deceivers have gone out into the world.
They deny that Jesus Christ came in a real body.” (2 John 7)

John is equating Jesus Christ with God the Word who became human (Jesus Christ).
I find that your first part of finding a person other than Christ himself rather disturbing.
Human sacrifice was against the law. It was and is pagan. Also it states that no man can take another man's sin away.
No one but Christ himself could do the works of the father.
The sin offering that was given to Israel was a covering that's why it was done over and over.
God swore a oath to Abraham that he himself would provide the sacrifice.
I really can't express enough how chilling that statement is. All in all it was by design before the foundations of the earth were created that Jesus excepted the cross.
 

GWH

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Father God’s satisfaction
IMO, Father God would have been satisfied IF a sinless human
sacrificed him/her self to take away the sins of the human race!
However, no one was qualified … so, because of His great love for
the human race (which He created), He came to earth and took the
form of a human, and He lived a sinless life, and died in their place.


The Incarnation (birth of Jesus)
The Holy Spirit miraculously created the fetus of Jesus Christ
in the womb of the virgin Mary (Matthew 1:18,20; Luke 1:35).
Father God was referring to Jesus when He said:

“You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.
… I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.” (Hebrews 1:5)


Jesus, the Son of God
God the Holy Spirit was Jesus’ Father >> this is why Jesus was called “the Son of God”.
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most
High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy,
and he will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, obviously did NOT exist prior to the Incarnation.

Jesus Christ was “fully man”
Years ago, a British lady doctor told me that a baby inherits the DNA of BOTH parents.
So, due to Mary’s DNA and her sin nature, Jesus Christ was “fully man”.


The Word became flesh-human-Jesus
“In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God,
and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God.
… So the Word became human and made his home among us.” (John 1:1-14).

In the beginning, God the Word was actually the Second Person of the Trinity!
God the Word became Jesus (John 1:14) >>> so, He was “fully God”.


AFTER the Incarnation

“… the one who existed from the beginning, whom we have heard and seen.
… He is the Word of life. This one who is life itself was revealed to us …
He was with the Father (in the beginning), and then he was revealed to us.” (1 John 1:1-2)

God the Word was revealed to the world as the God-Man (Jesus Christ, the Son of God).
And so, “… his title was the Word of God.” (Revelation 19:13)

“… to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.
… Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.” (John 17:3-5)

Jesus is speaking here as the One who He knew He really was (God the Word).

“If a person … acknowledges that Jesus Christ came in a real body,
that person has the Spirit of God.” (1 John 4:2)
“… many deceivers have gone out into the world.
They deny that Jesus Christ came in a real body.” (2 John 7)

John is equating Jesus Christ with God the Word who became human (Jesus Christ).
I agree with your understanding. I especially appreciate you conceiving of Jesus as being born from an implanted fetus rather than because the HS had sex with Mary, as the RC folks seem to think and so call her the mother of God, etc., but then you attribute Christ's manhood to Mary's DNA, which is an unnecessary contradiction avoided by thinking Jesus had untainted human DNA a la Adam & Eve before the Fall.

I would also note the close relationship between Jesus as the incarnate Word and the HS as the revealer/teacher of GW to believers per JN 14-16.
 
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To Dougcho:
The Incarnation (birth of Jesus)
The Holy Spirit miraculously created the fetus of Jesus Christ
in the womb of the virgin Mary (Matthew 1:18,20; Luke 1:35).
Father God was referring to Jesus when He said:
“You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.
… I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.” (Hebrews 1:5)


Your Hebrews 1: 5 is incorrect. It should read: For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Verse 6 reads: And again, when he bringeth in the first-begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
The Father-Son relationship occurs twice, First, in the beginning before anything else was created and second, when he became a human as Jesus. The Son existed before he became human because he was sent by the Father from heaven to become human on earth.
 

glf

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Rom 3: 19:
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Heb 9: 15:
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Therefore every person standing before the Lord at the Great White Throne judgement will be judged by the standard contained in the Old Testament

I think of it like this:
God's law is an infinite law. Man is finite. When a man breaks the Lord's infinite law an infinite atonement is required. Man is unable to suffer infinitely so he must pay that debt for infinity. Jesus being God in the flesh, was an infinite being was able to suffer infinitely and pay that debt in full for every person who calls upon the Lord in repentance.
Jesus' sacrifice was an infinite sacrifice and was therefore able to pay the debt for an infinite number of people.
Infinite X infinite = infinite.

This can be seen in the following verses:
Rev 22: 17:
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Jn 3: 16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1 Jn 2: 2:
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Pet 3: 9:
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 

homwardbound

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Rom 3: 19:
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Heb 9: 15:
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Therefore every person standing before the Lord at the Great White Throne judgement will be judged by the standard contained in the Old Testament

I think of it like this:
God's law is an infinite law. Man is finite. When a man breaks the Lord's infinite law an infinite atonement is required. Man is unable to suffer infinitely so he must pay that debt for infinity. Jesus being God in the flesh, was an infinite being was able to suffer infinitely and pay that debt in full for every person who calls upon the Lord in repentance.
Jesus' sacrifice was an infinite sacrifice and was therefore able to pay the debt for an infinite number of people.
Infinite X infinite = infinite.

This can be seen in the following verses:
Rev 22: 17:
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Jn 3: 16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1 Jn 2: 2:
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Pet 3: 9:
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
in Son it is done (finished) for us to get given new life form from Father once anyone believes this gift of God through Son for us John 19:30 for us to say the same in thanksgiving and praise
First by God through Son we are reconciled as forgiven in that one time willing death done once for us all to now in belief can be given new life in God's spirit and truth, to not be taken away. Yet I guess one can change their mind. I see no way, he is risen where new life of love is given a gift, thank you Father and Son for you
Love to all, since God I see loves us all