Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?

[ForgiveMeGod]

Well, he does hold to "King James version only". Some call that a cult.

I wouldn’t say that is a cult but just kinda strange that they don’t give any other translations a chance…especially like NIV or ESV.

 

[maxwel]

Well, since you haven't retracted this calamity of a claim, I'll quote a few of your unbiblical "sticking points"...

None of those things is in Scripture, so clearly you are NOT "sticking with exactly what we know from scripture." Your extrapolations from the words of Scripture are not themselves Scripture. If you clearly distinguish the two, there won't be a problem.

I think I have an opposing view on the overall topic.
However, I completely agree you're dealing with a lot of bad arguments.

You always make a good case for your views, and I would encourage your opponents to step it up and bring their A game, lol.

Have a great week.

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[Genez]

I have always believed this to be the case.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

However I have come to doubt this theory now as i've actually read the book of Enoch and it contradicts the Bible in some details, not to mention just doesn't "sound right" Doesn't sound like its from the spirit of God. I can discern that its not. You may disagree thats fine but that is where we must agree to disagree.

Jesus says: Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

How could angels coming down and fornicating with women work if this is the case?

Is there any credible alternative explanation? In the OT, "sons of God" most often means angels, doesn't it?

Help a brother out here.

Angels in heaven are the faithful angels to God. "In Heaven."
They remain safe because God supplied them with an abundance of grace to be celibate.
Fallen angels, many are confined to earth....

The question I have yet to see be asked?
Why did God create angels with the ability to procreate in the first place?
There is an answer for that.


grace and peace .........

 

[Genez]

I see no real reason to think the "sons of God" were angels of any kind. The text seems pretty self-explanatory: When men and women began to multiply on the earth, the men took wives for themselves.

But, the Hebrew says nothing about marriage.

1~~Now it came to pass,​

when mankind {literally 'adam - came to be used for 'mankind'}​

had begun to 'become numerous'/multiply​

on the face of the ground {adamah},​

and daughters/'beautiful women' had been born unto them . . .​

2~~that the angels {beni ha Elohiym idiom: literally sons of 'elohiym/gods}​

kept watching the daughters of mankind . . .that they were very beautiful . . .​

and they took/'seized passionately' to them women {'ishshah} of all whom ​

they examined and selected. {here is a masculine plural suffix signifying ​

'it happened, but was irregular'}​

Vs 2.) They took and seized, passionately, the women....
It does not say, 'married' them.
Certain prudish translators shied away from that one.

 

[John146]

Well, since you haven't retracted this calamity of a claim, I'll quote a few of your unbiblical "sticking points"...











None of those things is in Scripture, so clearly you are NOT "sticking with exactly what we know from scripture." Your extrapolations from the words of Scripture are not themselves Scripture. If you clearly distinguish the two, there won't be a problem.

All of it is in scripture except for how we will all be males, but that is a strong conclusion when comparing scripture with scripture. You should try it sometime.

 

[John146]

Well, he does hold to "King James version only". Some call that a cult.

If bible believing is a cult...guilty. You should try that as well.

 

[John146]

Sounds like he attends a cult

Ya'll crack me up with the "cult" thing. Are you a bible believer or bible corrector? The latter is a cult.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

All of it is in scripture except for how we will all be males, but that is a strong conclusion when comparing scripture with scripture. You should try it sometime.

A strong conclusion when Paul explicitly said there is neither male not female in Christ?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

They remain safe because God supplied them with an abundance of grace to be celibate.

Omigosh this is getting funnier by the day.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Why did God create angels with the ability to procreate in the first place?
There is an answer for that.

Can't wait to hear it!

 

[John146]

A strong conclusion when Paul explicitly said there is neither male not female in Christ?

Again, that is our spiritual state, in Christ. That's not a reference to our physical state. In the resurrection, we will have physical bodies of flesh and bone like Christ. We are a tri-part being, body, soul, and spirit. All parts of us will be made new and united together.

 

[John146]

Can't wait to hear it!

Why did God create angels with the ability to leave their own habitation? Why did God create angels who would eventually rebel with Lucifer? Ask away when we get to heaven.

 

[John146]

A strong conclusion when Paul explicitly said there is neither male not female in Christ?

Spiritually, in Christ....spiritually, Abraham's seed. Context, context, context...

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[John146]

A strong conclusion when Paul explicitly said there is neither male not female in Christ?

Still no reply on how or where the giants in the earth came from? In Noah's day and after that?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Again, that is our spiritual state, in Christ. That's not a reference to our physical state. In the resurrection, we will have physical bodies of flesh and bone like Christ. We are a tri-part being, body, soul, and spirit. All parts of us will be made new and united together.

Well the logical conclusion is that those bodies will be asexual, ie neither male nor female, just as Paul said. I don't understand the resistance to this idea. It must be due to a carnal frame of reference that can't imagine another reality

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Still no reply on how or where the giants in the earth came from? In Noah's day and after that?

I gave you the answer that all of the supposed half-breeds died in the flood, so the giants in Israel's time couldn't have descended from them. And that gigantism is a natural phenomenon based on genetic factors.

 

[John146]

Well the logical conclusion is that those bodies will be asexual, ie neither male nor female, just as Paul said. I don't understand the resistance to this idea. It must be due to a carnal frame of reference that can't imagine another reality

It is a denial that we will have physical bodies. God created the human body in the beginning to be male or female. You are comparing spiritual things to physical things.

 

[John146]

I gave you the answer that all of the supposed half-breeds died in the flood, so the giants in Israel's time couldn't have descended from them. And that gigantism is a natural phenomenon based on genetic factors.

Half breeds died in the flood, but not the fallen angels. They continued their perverse ways after the flood. It was an all out attack on the seed line of Genesis 3:15. Plan A, murder the seed. Plan B, corrupt the seed line.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It is a denial that we will have physical bodies. God created the human body in the beginning to be male or female. You are comparing spiritual things to physical things.

I agree there's a spiritual body. God created the natural body with sex organs. You apparently can't conceive of a spiritual body without sex organs.

 

[Jimbone]

wow, so if you believe angels would of procreated with humans then you would have to also believe that God Himself permitted that to happen which He would never allow. The angles who were casted out were casted out as the result of the Archangel Satan rebelling against God and leading to a war, not because of procreating. c'mon.

Are you really presuming to tell us what God would or would not permit as an argument? Sorry for just jumping in here, I've read a lot of the conversation so far and this just really jumped out at me. I'm not even trying to debate the topic one way or the other here in this comment, but is your argument here really telling us what God will and will not allow? I don't think you get to just "claim" that as your own victory here. It's like asking why God allowed the fall of mankind. Can you tell us that too? From an outside perspective this argument holds no water at all and isn't the proper way to handle scripture in these matters. What we may think God would or would not allow is irrelevant when studying what the word says. Some would say God allowing someone to get into a motorcycle wreak and lose all function of his right arm leading to a two year downward spiral that had him wishing for death and uncontrollable suicidal thoughts all day every day, is something He would never do and is heartless and cold and He'd never do that. But I thank Him every day for it because it led me to Him.

Again I'm not commenting on the Gen 6 thing at all here, just saying we don't really get to do what you're doing here as a "win by default" kind of tactic.

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