Is Eschatology or prophecies a “salvation issue”?

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

If you honestly believe this, then you had better reread (assuming that you have read it before) the Bible.

Yes I believe it with all of my heart and am willing to go head-to-head with you or anyone in discussion. But let everything be done decently and in order

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

op: Is Eschatology or prophecies a “salvation issue”?
No.

If someone has a misunderstanding or is incorrect about verses like a prophecy or end times, will it cause one to be lost? I sure hope not, because there are so many verses in the Bible that I’m not sure what they mean. And there are a lot of disagreements with certain verses.

Precious friend, @JS1789, not to worry, God Is Sufficiently Able and Powerful Enough To

"Keep" all of His family "Saved For ETERNITY." ​

The "Salvation Issue" Is Biblically boiled down to belief/receiving "The Love Of The Truth":

hearing About "God's Gracious Offer To "lost sinners", and them 'repenting' and trusting Only In
The Lord Jesus Christ, and In His Finished Work On Calvary, His Burial, And In His Resurrection:

See God's Grace, Peace, Mercy, and Love!

Biblically Confirmed By Many Plain, Clear, and Understandable Passages!:

God's OPERATION On All [ Repeat: ALL ] His New-born babes In Christ!
+ Updates: (of # 11) + (of #14)
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God's Eternal Life Assurance
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God's Eternal Life Insurance

Thus, no, "understanding/misunderstanding" prophecies/eschatology is NOT a "Salvation Issue."

Amen.

 

[HeIsHere]

The point that I am trying to make is that the Old Testament lays out for us a chronological order of end time events, and if people are not aware of that, or if people just willfully ignore that, then they can make the Bible say whatever they want it to say.

Yes agree.
Very informative post.
I appreciate how you tie it together.
I was thinking about very simple short statements that Jesus made, but I am thinking there is another thread for that discussion.

 

[HeIsHere]

@HeIsHere

I failed to mention something in my last response, and it has some bearing on the OP's question.

The first resurrection of Revelation chapter 20, is just that:

The first resurrection of the saints of God. In other words, there was no resurrection during some "secret rapture" prior to the first resurrection.

How does this possibly pertain to the OP's question?

Well, if "someone," and a lot of these "someones" exist, believes that they are going to be "caught up" to heaven prior to the great tribulation, and then they find themselves here during it, there is a possibility that they might cave or fall away from the faith in order to preserve their own life for a season.

Anyhow, I do not know what your beliefs are in relation to "the rapture," but there is nothing in the Bible that says it is pre-tribulation. And by nothing, I mean nothing in either the Old Testament or the New Testament. Sure, I know the verses which people twist to try to support that doctrine, but none of them hold up under scrutiny. I also know the absolute futility of engaging people in that particular conversation, and that is why I initially shrank back (but for a moment) from mentioning this in my previous response.

I understand your reasoning here, I think my view is that if the person can clearly explain the Gospel that is for more important to me than a person's eschatological views.

I myself would not think, "oh they are post-mill they must not be Christian"

I just do not think the litmus test or indicator for a person being a "believer" is their eschatological position, unless I have missed it in scripture.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Notice in Daniel 12 that Daniel is told the words of the prophecy of the end of time are sealed up and not for him to know. That chapter gives just a very brief overview of that time; the rest was sealed to natural Israel because it did not pertain to them, just as all of the prophecies for Israel that were fulfilled in Christ do not pertain to us and our time.

On the other hand, John was given a little opened scroll and told to prophecy its contents in vivid detail about the end of time. That which was sealed to Daniel and natural Israel was revealed to John because Revelation pertains to us, the spiritual Israel

And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Daniel 12:8-9​

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And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. Revelation 10:8​

And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. Revelation 10:11​

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[keepingthingsreal]

I understand your reasoning here, I think my view is that if the person can clearly explain the Gospel that is for more important to me than a person's eschatological views.

I myself would not think, "oh they are post-mill they must not be Christian"

I just do not think the litmus test or indicator for a person being a "believer" is their eschatological position, unless I have missed it in scripture.

I don't think that either. In other words, I was not seeking to imply that someone with a wrong eschatological belief system is not a Christian. Instead, I was just seeking to give an example of how a wrong eschatological belief system could potentially be problematic for the person who holds to it.

 

[HeIsHere]

I don't think that either. In other words, I was not seeking to imply that someone with a wrong eschatological belief system is not a Christian. Instead, I was just seeking to give an example of how a wrong eschatological belief system could potentially be problematic for the person who holds to it.

Yes I see .. a tangential connection.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

Yes I see .. a tangential connection.

When you're as desperate as I am, any sort of "connection" will do.

 

[HeIsHere]

When you're as desperate as I am, any sort of "connection" will do.

You are hilarious!

 

[keepingthingsreal]

You are hilarious!

Shhhh.

I am trying to keep that a secret.

 

[Iconoclast]

If someone has a misunderstanding or is incorrect about verses like a prophecy or end times, will it cause one to be lost? I sure hope not, because there are so many verses in the Bible that I’m not sure what they mean. And there are a lot of disagreements with certain verses.

No, salvation has to do with grace, and mercy, God setting His love on the elect. End times is important, but not a salvation issue, unless someone denies the return of the Lord Jesus.