I would like some perspectives on Revelation.
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Virtually everything in the old testament is allegorical. It's only purpose is to point to Christ. All shadows/types in the OT, of which there are many, are fulfilled in Christ.
Revelation is extremely symbolic
byw literal can mean physical or spiritual depending on what the author intended. For example, Christ said only those who drink his blood and eat his flesh have life in them. Is that literally true? Doth cannibalism bringeth forth eternal life? Of course not. His speech is allegorically true pointing to a spiritual reality, not physically true. but it is literally the truth
Revelation is extremely symbolic
byw literal can mean physical or spiritual depending on what the author intended. For example, Christ said only those who drink his blood and eat his flesh have life in them. Is that literally true? Doth cannibalism bringeth forth eternal life? Of course not. His speech is allegorically true pointing to a spiritual reality, not physically true. but it is literally the truth
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Revelation perspectives?
The Rightly Divided one starts here: Revelation Studies Rev. 1:1-10
Enjoy!
Amen.
The Rightly Divided one starts here: Revelation Studies Rev. 1:1-10
Enjoy!
Amen.
The book of Revelation is the bookend of the book of Deuteronomy.
In Deuteronomy, God covenants with Israel. After a preamble and a historical prologue, the terms or stipulations of the covenant are given. Next, the sanctions for failing to keep the covenant are discussed. And finally, how to move forward after sanctions is discussed.
You find the same outline in the book of Revelation. A preamble is followed by a historical prologue. Then a reiteration of the stipulations of the covenant, followed by a reiteration of the coming sanctions for their failure to keep the terms of the covenant. Lastly, God's plan for moving forward is revealed.
In Deuteronomy, God covenants with Israel. After a preamble and a historical prologue, the terms or stipulations of the covenant are given. Next, the sanctions for failing to keep the covenant are discussed. And finally, how to move forward after sanctions is discussed.
You find the same outline in the book of Revelation. A preamble is followed by a historical prologue. Then a reiteration of the stipulations of the covenant, followed by a reiteration of the coming sanctions for their failure to keep the terms of the covenant. Lastly, God's plan for moving forward is revealed.
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When Jesus fed the 5,000, it happened thusly, in Jn 6: 14-15:
Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
Then in Mt 6: 19:
So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid.
And in Jn 6: 22:
The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples were gone away alone;
Then in Jn 6: 24:
When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.
And in Jn 6: 26-27:
Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Jn 6: 33:
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Jn 6: 41:
The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Jn 6: 48-51:
I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Jn 6: 61:
When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Jn 6: 63: It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Jn 6: 66:
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Jn 6: 67-69:
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
In this way, Jesus put an end to having the people who were of the 5,000 making him a King by force...
The verse to focus upon is Jn 6: 63!
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
BTW, I consider only the obvious to be allegorical which isn't all that much. The rest is up to the reader to discern what is spiritual and what is literal. The truth feels exactly the same as does error. Obedience to the Spirit opens the door to illumination! Then, study paves the way to the truth, which comes to us here a little, and there a little. Obedience to the Spirit is better than doctrinal accuracy!
It's common for some people to claim how symbolic Revelation is, usually saying it's the most symbolic book but I think that's an exaggeration. I find the book to be mostly literal like the letters to the churches and the many times John saw activities happening in heaven and on the Earth and the description of life in the eternity, talking to various angels and seing past events etc. There's some symbolic language like the dragon and the beasts and the winepress etc.
I believe it is largely metaphorical and most of it future, though some is past, some may be starting to get fulfilled, and some of it is ongoing (ex. The letters to the churches). There is a compelling case for the stars being about the state of the constellations when Jesus was born. For more on that check out "The Star of Bethlehem" which was also recently referenced on the 700 club for Christmas.
I disagree on the grounds that it gives you the tone of what is coming even if it isn't literal. I say this because I have had prophetic dreams where the emotion of the dream was very precisely replicated in the physical at a later time though all the details were different. For example, I dreamed about a helpless child with a deadly disese. A few days later I was watching a football game when a player took a bad hit and was knocked out to the point that he might be paralyzed. I realized later that my emotional response was exactly the same as the dream even though the events were very different.
When reading Revelations, there is a time that it is in reading, While in heaven and here on earth is the perspective I see going on in there. To figure it out exactly, nope, I do not think anyone will. Yet there are those that think they know and got it down. Sorry, how can that be, when evil itself did not see what having or getting Jesus to be killed by the Priests in his day, was doing or going to do? Col. 1,2
If Evil knew Jesus would be risen and never die again and that being dead would and did take away us the people under Law as reconciled to see to uphold the Law as good, then Evil would not have ever encouraged Jesus's death, but it did and he went through that willingly, stressfully but willingly. It was and is for su the People to get freed from under Law. To uphold Law.
Therefore Revelations can not be understood completely. Only Father and Son know what is going on and what will be and what is allowed for now for a righteous reason, for us to stand in, no matter how it might appear now, since God is the one and only one to this day Good.
therefore I read it, and see as it is reading to me from God, sometimes I see I am in Heaven learning this truth and other times back here on earth learning just to love all as called,
If my enemy is hungry feed them the love of God, not tell them they have to do or else attitude of religions all over the world that man has built, Rather the Church (Ecclesia) God has built Hebrews 8:1-4
If Evil knew Jesus would be risen and never die again and that being dead would and did take away us the people under Law as reconciled to see to uphold the Law as good, then Evil would not have ever encouraged Jesus's death, but it did and he went through that willingly, stressfully but willingly. It was and is for su the People to get freed from under Law. To uphold Law.
Therefore Revelations can not be understood completely. Only Father and Son know what is going on and what will be and what is allowed for now for a righteous reason, for us to stand in, no matter how it might appear now, since God is the one and only one to this day Good.
therefore I read it, and see as it is reading to me from God, sometimes I see I am in Heaven learning this truth and other times back here on earth learning just to love all as called,
If my enemy is hungry feed them the love of God, not tell them they have to do or else attitude of religions all over the world that man has built, Rather the Church (Ecclesia) God has built Hebrews 8:1-4