Understanding God’s election
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Before I call it a day, where are all the smartest people in this room? Not a peep from anyone on my 7445 which dealt with Prov 11:1, 20 which teach that God detests both sin and the sinner, respectively. Have you FWers, especially, swallowed your tongue whole, or have your hands become crippled with painful writers' cramps, or have you become blind so that you cannot see your screens?
This just goes to show how awesome, incredible and incomprehensibly powerful of God's Word is. Two small passages have, evidently, torpedoed people's theological views of God.
This just goes to show how awesome, incredible and incomprehensibly powerful of God's Word is. Two small passages have, evidently, torpedoed people's theological views of God.
Oh the slight move of the hand again trying to making faith look like a work again........ sigh
The flesh does not prohibit man from the ability to believe in the life giving Good News of scripture, God's own call and appeal to all people.
Despite what Calvinists teach ......the Bible does not deny that faith is something humans can do.
Faith, from a biblical perspective, falls within the range of every human's capability: we all believe in something, and we all choose what to believe in.
John 10:37-30,
Jesus asks people who do not want to believe his words to believe in his works so they can believe in him!
37 If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; 38 but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.” (John 10:37-30, ESV)
The flesh does not prohibit man from the ability to believe in the life giving Good News of scripture, God's own call and appeal to all people.
Despite what Calvinists teach ......the Bible does not deny that faith is something humans can do.
Faith, from a biblical perspective, falls within the range of every human's capability: we all believe in something, and we all choose what to believe in.
John 10:37-30,
Jesus asks people who do not want to believe his words to believe in his works so they can believe in him!
37 If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; 38 but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.” (John 10:37-30, ESV)
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2 Peter 1:1 To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Jude 1:3 contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints. Acts 13:48 all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Acts 16:14 The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.
John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." John 6:37a Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me. Philippians 1:6 being confident of this, that He Who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion. Philippians 1:29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him. Romans 12:3b think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you. 2 Timothy 2:25b hope that God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth. Isaiah 65:1 “I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me." God foreknew, chose, predestined, and saved us.
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So...,you agree that it took a "genius" like myself to reveal the truth in God's Word that God detests both sin and the sinner alike. Congratulations. You're making progress.
P.S. By the way, the real "legend" around here is CV5 who once boasted how theologically studied up he is. So...if you're into legends, he's the guy who thinks he's the smartest person in room. A wise guy like you and an "Einstein" like he thinks he is, should get a long famously well.
P.S. By the way, the real "legend" around here is CV5 who once boasted how theologically studied up he is. So...if you're into legends, he's the guy who thinks he's the smartest person in room. A wise guy like you and an "Einstein" like he thinks he is, should get a long famously well.
From: John 8:34; 2 Peter 2:19a; Galatians 4:8; Romans 7:14; Ephesians 2:3; Romans 6:6 “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.” They are slaves of corruption. When you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. You were of the flesh, sold under sin. We were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Our old self was crucified so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
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is that? Just think there is boy, this very day, praying to be one of the elect.......
Why, because someone cannot tell that young boy, he can exercise faith in Christ Jesus and His work and receive the gift of salvation,
Why, because the adult in the room has been indoctrinated with this false plan of salvation does not believe it is possible.
Can it be anymore more tragic than that!
That is the real world application of what we are dealing with!
Why, because someone cannot tell that young boy, he can exercise faith in Christ Jesus and His work and receive the gift of salvation,
Why, because the adult in the room has been indoctrinated with this false plan of salvation does not believe it is possible.
Can it be anymore more tragic than that!
That is the real world application of what we are dealing with!
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I have purposed in my life and walk in God to use the language that God Himself inspired others including Himself to use.
I have discovered that whenever we take what we read and title it or apply our own meaning through reasoning that we are diminishing the inspiration. God never describes Himself as persons, a Trinity, and we know that original sources prove that 1 John never applied 3 in Heaven as Father, Son, Holy Spirit but as Water, Blood, and Spirit. Much like baptize in the singular Name of God ( Father, Son, Holy Spirit) because we see how the Apostles baptized both Jew and Gentile (Cornelius) in the singular Name of the Lord.
Now saying that I am a 3 in 1 believer but like the Bible explains it.
I have discovered that whenever we take what we read and title it or apply our own meaning through reasoning that we are diminishing the inspiration. God never describes Himself as persons, a Trinity, and we know that original sources prove that 1 John never applied 3 in Heaven as Father, Son, Holy Spirit but as Water, Blood, and Spirit. Much like baptize in the singular Name of God ( Father, Son, Holy Spirit) because we see how the Apostles baptized both Jew and Gentile (Cornelius) in the singular Name of the Lord.
Now saying that I am a 3 in 1 believer but like the Bible explains it.
Maybe we should inject this into the discussion.
When God,The Word made flesh,Jesus, was preaching He wasn't speaking on Latin. Or Greek,which was the language of the first written Gospels.
Jesus was teaching in Hebrew or Aramaic. And to a largely illiterate audience of simple working people.
Please don't be persuaded to think you the reader needs now to know Greek,Latin,Hebrew or Aramaic,to understand the Scriptures as written.
The Holy Spirit leads you to understanding. The Word is our great teacher.
Study to show thyself approved yet don't be intimidated by foreign languages you do not know.
When God,The Word made flesh,Jesus, was preaching He wasn't speaking on Latin. Or Greek,which was the language of the first written Gospels.
Jesus was teaching in Hebrew or Aramaic. And to a largely illiterate audience of simple working people.
Please don't be persuaded to think you the reader needs now to know Greek,Latin,Hebrew or Aramaic,to understand the Scriptures as written.
The Holy Spirit leads you to understanding. The Word is our great teacher.
Study to show thyself approved yet don't be intimidated by foreign languages you do not know.
It does indeed.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Out of context everything is possible, sadly, that poor boy by suffers each day because the absolute worst hermeneutics.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Out of context everything is possible, sadly, that poor boy by suffers each day because the absolute worst hermeneutics.
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