The one and the same or not?

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Hi Bluto, thank you for your view.
I can only repeat the question that if you know something 100% to be so; then why the need to test it or them.

Bit like saying let me test if a cup will fall to the ground if you push it off a high table surface. You wouldn't need to test this as you already know what will happen.

I test you to get the most valuable glass or pottery ornament you have. Find yourself a hard floor surface and throw that precious object up in the up in the air to see if it'll fall to the ground and break.

If I said I don't think that object will fall all the way to the ground and break.

If you think 100% that I am wrong then you won't try this test as you 100% the likely outcome of such a test. Do you agree ?
I gave you the answer in in my very first sentence. Or to put it another way Abraham by asking him to sacrifice his son Isaac to demonstrate and strengthen Abraham's faith, not to gain new knowledge about him. Also, the test was meant to reveal the depth of Abraham's trust in God, proving his loyalty and commitment to God's commands, even when they seemed impossible or contradictory. God does not contradict Himself and there is always a reason for what God does even though sometimes we do not see it.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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What I see is:
God just loves you, thank you
And what I see is someone not really understanding God. So I will try it this way. Do you believe God is completely omniscient? That is He knows absolutely everything having perfect knowledge? This is a "yes or no" question? BTW, God has loved me for past 63 years of being a Christian.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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And what I see is someone not really understanding God. So I will try it this way. Do you believe God is completely omniscient? That is He knows absolutely everything having perfect knowledge? This is a "yes or no" question? BTW, God has loved me for past 63 years of being a Christian.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
yes, and I see that too
God loves us all, period, at least this be what I see after many years u under Law to see this Love above it all
Amazing to me, thank you bluto
 
Jul 31, 2013
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That looks absolutely sounds good to read but I'm not exactly sure what you mean when you say what 'he said was was absolutely perfect'. Can you explain this a bit more please. Thanks.
what i mean is, start from the position that what God says had no fault in it. more than that, what God says, there is absolutely no way it could be better said than how He said it.

yes, these things were given in old Hebrew and old Greek and we can come closer to the exact thing being said by a more exact literal understanding of those languages, so translations into English may lack the nuance, and that is valuable

but overall, what i mean to say is recognize that this is perfect, omniscient God speaking. we must not, when we try to understand it, try to find a way to make it say what we think it should say. we must instead understand what it really says, and then try to find a way to change our own understanding so that how we understand, fits what God says - - never the other way around.

look at His words and sort out why He says what He does, instead of, as some people do, trying to sort out how to make what He says mean what we think He should have said.

He said what He should have said. of course He did, He is God!
 
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Do you believe God is completely omniscient? That is He knows absolutely everything having perfect knowledge? This is a "yes or no" question? BTW, God has loved me for past 63 years of being a Christian.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
you already know my answer:

yes.

:)
 

John146

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And what I see is someone not really understanding God. So I will try it this way. Do you believe God is completely omniscient? That is He knows absolutely everything having perfect knowledge? This is a "yes or no" question? BTW, God has loved me for past 63 years of being a Christian.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
But why allow knowledge to go beyond the present?
 
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what i mean is, start from the position that what God says had no fault in it. more than that, what God says, there is absolutely no way it could be better said than how He said it.

yes, these things were given in old Hebrew and old Greek and we can come closer to the exact thing being said by a more exact literal understanding of those languages, so translations into English may lack the nuance, and that is valuable

but overall, what i mean to say is recognize that this is perfect, omniscient God speaking. we must not, when we try to understand it, try to find a way to make it say what we think it should say. we must instead understand what it really says, and then try to find a way to change our own understanding so that how we understand, fits what God says - - never the other way around.

look at His words and sort out why He says what He does, instead of, as some people do, trying to sort out how to make what He says mean what we think He should have said.

He said what He should have said. of course He did, He is God!
How about listen, God still speaks, within people to them in truth of love for us all, done for all by Son in his death, then new life in the risen Christ given to us from God Father for us, to not count anymore sin against any of us any longer, as people still do that, not God. Wow! Thank you Lord. Listen for God to tell you. you will hear. I remember asking and not thinking about that asking, and went on in life. As I was going along, the answer came inside me from God in love to all, "I" just love you"
Amazing grace I have forgotten many times when I got mad over things going wrong, or so it seemed as were. When truth is they were not at all. God has proven this to me, personally, I have been like a Job in the book of Job, deeper to death willingly also
Willing is the key I see, never forced to drink or to obey as man continues under man laws
However God loves us all y'all time to respond and stop trying to create and play god.
A Psalm of Asaph. Psalm 82
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty;
he judgeth among the gods.
How long will ye judge unjustly,
and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
Defend the poor and fatherless:
do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Deliver the poor and needy:
rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
They know not, neither will they understand;
they walk on in darkness:
all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
I have said, Ye are gods;
and all of you are children of the most High.
But ye shall die like men,
and fall like one of the princes.
Arise, O God, judge the earth:
for thou shalt inherit all nations.