1John 1:9 Let's talk about it..

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homwardbound said:
Of the first born flesh we are sinners, yet all are first born with the knowledge of good and evil. to choose good (God) over evil (Flesh) Most seem to have chosen evil, many hiding as if are believers and are not, I see this in the first born flesh nature of people that claim and do not do the same as claim, and have seen God get the blame the same as that began in the first chosen unbelief to death of the first Adam and Eve. Was not me Lord, it was?
The Spirit of God left the first Adam, and death has come to all flesh, as it seems no flesh wants to die, yet all flesh dies, and still fights, even in me, daily.
Might be best to reckon self the first birth as dead already in the death of Son for them to be alive in his resurrection and do as led by God over self or any other flesh person.
Such a perplexity that only Father, Dad, can teach, not me, thanks
Thanking God for God's done work of Son for me to enter in and be freed from evil, wow!
Love and mercy is to us all y'all
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Sorry brother but i have to correct you as no one was born to choose good or evil , we are ALL enemies of God who inherited such a position through our parents decision in the garden of Eden (Original Sin). The children of wrath we ALL are, but by God's grace and work a lone, He saves who He wills. John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
 
GWH said:
Not really, because a sinner is one who commits sins, so both need to be confessed.
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No brother, we sin because we are sinners at the very core, the core was there long before the offense took place , But thank God He took that nature away. Amen!!!!

I hope this helps.
 
JMH said:
No brother, we sin because we are sinners at the very core, the core was there long before the offense took place , But thank God He took that nature away. Amen!!!!
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If he took your sin nature away, then you are incapable of sinning
 
studier said:
Yes.



In this passage, they're both plural. The original translation is accurate re: sins. Then second "our" is italicized because it's interpreting an article - "the" - which is in the Greek that is referring back to "our sins" that we confess/acknowledge to God when we (Christians) sin.



John is explaining how to have the dynamic relationship with God and one another that has been provided for Christians. He's explaining what this walk in the light - where God is - entails for Christians. If we want continuous cleansing from sins from Christ's blood, then we keep walking in the light with God and one another which includes acknowledging to God any sins we commit in order to receive His forgiveness of them and His cleansing of all unrighteousness (which John later explains is sin 1J5:17). Some say this cleansing is of sins we are not aware of.

This is all about this dynamic relationship with God and one another and being trained about sin and righteousness. When spiritually young we'll find ourselves confessing sins almost constantly as He brings them to our attention. Over time as we grow and advance to maturity, we'll find ourselves needing to do this less and we'll be learning the deeper issues we have that God is working out of us over time. It's an excellent routine that teaches us about sin and how God is raising and training us and working in us to experientially sanctify us. If we're not listening and learning from Him and not confessing as He desires, we'll find ourselves in perfect discipline by a perfect Father who knows how to make us listen.



We as Christians still need the constant experiential cleansing of Christ's blood and forgiveness and cleansing from our Father as we walk in the light in Spirit with Him. As John proceeds into 1J2:1 he adds the advocacy of the righteous Jesus Christ. This is all courtroom language. We have our advocate standing with us when we confess our sins/unrighteousness/lawlessness to our Father. If we're not doing what is required of us, then we're not walking in the light.

We confess what we know. We're forgiven what we confess and cleansed of all. Over time we grow and do more and more righteousness so less and less sin. Part of the mark of the mature is that they're able to identify any sin and assist others who have been caught up in sin and thereby fulfill the Law of Christ (Heb5; Gal6).

This is important teaching for the Christian Life - our walk in the light in Spirit in Christ.
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My dear brother in Christ, these are your own words> "If we want continuous cleansing from sins from Christ's blood"
> "acknowledging to God any sins we commit in order to receive His forgiveness "

First off none of that is biblical at all and actually is a heresy. Continuous cleansing?:unsure: where in the bible is that mentioned?? ALSO....
what about the sins you don't remember to mention?? Are you perfect?? Do you think maybe its possible you might miss one or two sins to confess? I am assuming you're not a child now so How did you receive forgiveness for the sins you did when you were a child ??
or Do you ask God to forgive you for all the sins you might of missed in your entire life?
Do you see now how your interpretation stands incorrect?

My brother, confess you are a sinner (your very nature) and He is just and faithful to forgive your nature, give you His righteousness in exchange and when you sin again, confess your offense but THANK HIM FOR THE FORGIVENESS HE ALREADY GAVE YOU FROM THE DEATH OF HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.
 
Kroogz said:
This is about fellowship. Not salvation and justification. We will never perish. We have eternal life. We are His sheep.

But, as believers, we can grieve or quench the Spirit with our sin OR our human good(good done through the flesh/evil.) We need to name and site any known sin to God to get back into fellowship with God.

If we confess our known sin to Him He will forgive us (return to fellowship) AND He will cleanse us from all unrighteousness(Unknown sins and human good/evil.)
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NO brother, unrighteousness does not = unknown sins, or human good/evil..

Please look up ORIGINAL SIN and what that means then i believe the passage will make more sense to you..
 
It seems to me that people are making so many human divisions about sin whereas God appears to make just two and I do not think we have the right to make further division.
1 Jn 5: 16-17:
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
This verse appears to say that habitual sin will not be forgiven but the odd sins we all fall into can be forgiven. -- Jesus paid the penalty for our sins on the cross once and for all but if we do not truly repent of our known sins' we are spurning God's sacrificial love and cannot expect His forgiveness and cleansing. If we know we have committed a sin and do not repent we will pay the price. There can be no forgiveness without true repentance.
 
JMH said:
My dear brother in Christ, these are your own words> "If we want continuous cleansing from sins from Christ's blood"
> "acknowledging to God any sins we commit in order to receive His forgiveness "

First off none of that is biblical at all and actually is a heresy. Continuous cleansing?:unsure: where in the bible is that mentioned?? ALSO....
what about the sins you don't remember to mention?? Are you perfect?? Do you think maybe its possible you might miss one or two sins to confess? I am assuming you're not a child now so How did you receive forgiveness for the sins you did when you were a child ??
or Do you ask God to forgive you for all the sins you might of missed in your entire life?
Do you see now how your interpretation stands incorrect?

My brother, confess you are a sinner (your very nature) and He is just and faithful to forgive your nature, give you His righteousness in exchange and when you sin again, confess your offense but THANK HIM FOR THE FORGIVENESS HE ALREADY GAVE YOU FROM THE DEATH OF HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.
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This is all a part of our experiential sanctification - our living continual experience in Christ Walking in the light in fellowship with God and one another is the context of this writing and is something we are to do continuously. This can be translated: If we are walking in the light inasmuch as He is in the light, then we are having fellowship with each other and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son is cleansing us from all sin (because we do sin especially when we are spiritually immature).

I think it's true that we miss confessing many sins and I covered how that is handled by God pursuant to the last clause in 1 John 1:9.

Not only can we acknowledge our sins to Him at any time in any place when we sin, but He has provided us with other ways to deal with battling against sins. For example, Heb4:15-16 tells us we can approach our High Priest [Jesus Christ] in time of need. The context of this is dealing with sin. When we know something is a sin and we find ourselves struggling against it mentally, we can approach His throne of grace and find His mercy and grace to assist us. This struggling at the mental stage is based in how Jesus explains for example that anger is tantamount to murder, and lust is tantamount to adultery (Matt5).

Our pre-salvation sins were dealt with when we first believed in and submitted to Jesus the Resurrected Christ/King, the Son of God. After that our walk in the light and all of the above process of experiential walking and sanctification in Christ is to be taking place.

Did you see that you were wrong in saying the first mention of "sins" in 1 John 1:9 is singular?
 
JMH said:
Sorry brother but i have to correct you as no one was born to choose good or evil , we are ALL enemies of God who inherited such a position through our parents decision in the garden of Eden (Original Sin). The children of wrath we ALL are, but by God's grace and work a lone, He saves who He wills. John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
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It seems you said, No one was born to choose Good or Evil, yet all are first born aware of what good and evil is. We are given the one and only choice to us from God who loves us all, otherwise that cross would not have ever happened, especially the resurrection. To me anyways!
All know this truth (become aware) one day, each become aware and then consciously choose to be led of self or someone else, knowing truthfully what they have chosen. There is no other mediator between God Father and people other than the risen Jesus, yet he first had to go willingly to death to put away under Law that no other could do perfect, but God through Son for us all to become new in God's Spirit and Truth, those that choose belief is what I see, maybe you too or not, it matters not to me, it is ultimately between God and you personally, as well as all others as well. I am nothing but a messenger sent, not that I got it, I claim God does for us, to stand in belief to this truth he is risen where new life is given from Father. For me I chose God to lead, not me or anyone else either but risen Jesus
Thanks
At first your response seemed to be saying we do not have free choice to choose either good or evil. Yet we are all born with the knowledge of good and evil
Today is the day to choose, choose ye whom ye will serve, the God's on the other side or the God's the Amorites in this land you are now living in, which is from the Old (First) Testament, The one and only True God, who by Son has made a peace treaty to us to turn to Father in risen Son and learn new, not of this world of flesh anymore, thank you
Thanks standing in trust to God Father in the risen Son Jesus
 
Instead of just making statements....

Let's use the entirety of scriptures to answer the sin/sins questions.

Luke categorizes INDIVIDUAL sins as:
Sins of Ignorance (lost sheep)
Sins of Negligence (lost coin)
Sins of Planning aforethought (Prodigal Son)
Sins of Unforgiveness and Judgementalism (angry brother in Prodigal story ➕️ Shrewd Manager afterwards)

In John,
At the start of the tale of THE MAN BORN BLIND the Apostles asked about Corporate sin vx Individual sin. Israel, as a whole, had been judged by God for Corporate sins and sent into exile. Indeed, the Old Testament is full of tales about God executing judgement on entire empires for their sins.

So we need to add those to the list as well.

Then adding in the sin of "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" which is also encompasses the sin of unbelief....that is the six categories of sins people commit. Some are combinations, some are more single categorical in nature. But as it appears, mankind is in pretty horrible condition and needs some assistance.

However, God has a plan as told in the Parable of the Sower or as I like to think of as the Parable of the Soils.

These Soils were not the same and the message had different results upon each of the soil types. BUT the important part about the Parable was that the soil type was conditioned or abandoned that way by mankind.
OR
Using your garden as a walking path will not get you any tomatoes to harvest.

So....there's the scriptural explanation of sin.

Peter, when preparing for the Last Supper requested to be cleaned by Jesus head to toe. But Jesus told him he was clean except for his feet. Metaphorically and literally. Peter hadn't done anything wrong that was unforgiven by God at that point except for common dirt collected between his toes.

And my analysis is very wrong in what respect?
 
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JohnDB said:
Peter, when preparing for the Last Supper requested to be cleaned by Jesus head to toe. But Jesus told him he was clean except for his feet. Metaphorically and literally. Peter hadn't done anything wrong that was unforgiven by God at that point except for common dirt collected between his toes.
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What happens with Peter if the Lord doesn't wash his feet whether he thinks they're not dirty or doesn't let Him do so?
 
studier said:
What happens with Peter if the Lord doesn't wash his feet whether he thinks they're not dirty or doesn't let Him do so?
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Jesus said Peter would have had no part with Jesus if he didn't let him wash his feet. It was a symbolic cleansing of feet that had become defiled by walking on the earth. Moses (Exodus 3:5) and Joshua (Joshua 5:15) were told to remove their sandals when the lord appeared to them because they were standing on holy ground. Likewise, the priests in the temple had to continually wash their feet from being defiled by walking on the ground (Exodus 40:30-32). So Jesus was fulfilling an OT type by cleansing the feet of the priests of the new covenant.
 
studier said:
This is all a part of our experiential sanctification - our living continual experience in Christ Walking in the light in fellowship with God and one another is the context of this writing and is something we are to do continuously. This can be translated: If we are walking in the light inasmuch as He is in the light, then we are having fellowship with each other and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son is cleansing us from all sin (because we do sin especially when we are spiritually immature).

I think it's true that we miss confessing many sins and I covered how that is handled by God pursuant to the last clause in 1 John 1:9.

Not only can we acknowledge our sins to Him at any time in any place when we sin, but He has provided us with other ways to deal with battling against sins. For example, Heb4:15-16 tells us we can approach our High Priest [Jesus Christ] in time of need. The context of this is dealing with sin. When we know something is a sin and we find ourselves struggling against it mentally, we can approach His throne of grace and find His mercy and grace to assist us. This struggling at the mental stage is based in how Jesus explains for example that anger is tantamount to murder, and lust is tantamount to adultery (Matt5).

Our pre-salvation sins were dealt with when we first believed in and submitted to Jesus the Resurrected Christ/King, the Son of God. After that our walk in the light and all of the above process of experiential walking and sanctification in Christ is to be taking place.

Did you see that you were wrong in saying the first mention of "sins" in 1 John 1:9 is singular?
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No brother, Our "sins" in 1 John 1:9 is in nature and is qualitative, and the second "sins" is quantitative (plural) , please grab a exhaustive concordance and have a look for yourself.. you'll understand better.
 
homwardbound said:
It seems you said, No one was born to choose Good or Evil, yet all are first born aware of what good and evil is. We are given the one and only choice to us from God who loves us all, otherwise that cross would not have ever happened, especially the resurrection. To me anyways!
All know this truth (become aware) one day, each become aware and then consciously choose to be led of self or someone else, knowing truthfully what they have chosen. There is no other mediator between God Father and people other than the risen Jesus, yet he first had to go willingly to death to put away under Law that no other could do perfect, but God through Son for us all to become new in God's Spirit and Truth, those that choose belief is what I see, maybe you too or not, it matters not to me, it is ultimately between God and you personally, as well as all others as well. I am nothing but a messenger sent, not that I got it, I claim God does for us, to stand in belief to this truth he is risen where new life is given from Father. For me I chose God to lead, not me or anyone else either but risen Jesus
Thanks
At first your response seemed to be saying we do not have free choice to choose either good or evil. Yet we are all born with the knowledge of good and evil
Today is the day to choose, choose ye whom ye will serve, the God's on the other side or the God's the Amorites in this land you are now living in, which is from the Old (First) Testament, The one and only True God, who by Son has made a peace treaty to us to turn to Father in risen Son and learn new, not of this world of flesh anymore, thank you
Thanks standing in trust to God Father in the risen Son Jesus
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My brother, please understand that God was not hoping people would choose Christ and believe, He chose whom He chose before the world was created.
God bless on your journey.
 
studier said:
What happens with Peter if the Lord doesn't wash his feet whether he thinks they're not dirty or doesn't let Him do so?
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That's a hypothetical....and a sin of ignorance (I already covered that).
 
JMH said:
No brother, Our "sins" in 1 John 1:9 is in nature and is qualitative, and the second "sins" is quantitative (plural) , please grab a exhaustive concordance and have a look for yourself.. you'll understand better.
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I'm looking at 2 different Greek texts. They're both plural. The English translations show this also. We Christians confess our sins & our Father forgives those sins. Pretty simple. It might help you to copy and paste a translation you think proves your case. Here are a few:

NKJ 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

NET 1 John 1:9 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous,22 forgiving23 us our sins and cleansing24 us from all unrighteousness.

ESV 1 John 1:9 aIf we confess our sins, he is bfaithful and just to forgive us our sins and xto cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

NAS 1 John 1:9 aIf we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and bto cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

KJG 1 John 1:9 1 If we confess our sins, he is 2 faithful and just to 3 forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

KJV 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

NIV 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
 
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