Understanding God’s election
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They should act like they do then.
The way some think here?
I seriously doubt that they understand that much...
Someone said that we are all born EVIL.
Not, born sinners.
Evidently you need to sit down and explain things to him then?
Here is what he is missing:
Believing in false doctrine is evil.
Believing in a lie against the truth is walking in evil.
Believers can fall into evil.
But Jesus did not die for evil.
Jesus died for sins only.
That is why not all believers will be welcomed with great reward and honor from God.
But... they remain saved if they believed in Jesus Christ.
Jesus did not die for EVIL.
Jesus died for every baby's sins....
Yes I believe Every person since Adam was made subject to good and evil and so put in this position of having to choose between good and evil .
“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?
If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? ( this choice )
But if you do not do what is right, ( or this choice comes before a person is a servant of sin )
sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.””
Genesis 4:6-7
I think that eating the fruit caused tbat problem that we weren’t supposed to be in we were created to just walk with the lord in Eden and tend the feeder and flourish and learn from him and grow up in wisdom but what they did caused this to happen
“And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.””
Genesis 3:22 NIV
i think that’s the issue that was caused and later led to genesis 6 and mans wicked state
i believe what Adam did changed man’s situation with God bit didn’t then remove all man’s ability to choose between good and evil. I think it caused the issue where we had to start choosing between good and evil ….rather than be like before that when it was just them and god teschkng them and blessing them and fellowshipping with them
If only Adam had eaten from the Tree of Life instead! But he did not, and God knew he was not going to. And here we are, thousands of years later, grafted in... not by our desire (as Scripture plainly says) or by our effort (as Scripture plainly says) or by our will (as Scripture plainly says) but by the desire and will of God (as Scripture plainly says). I for one am grateful and may never really understand why people scream so obnoxiously about what a tyrant God is to act unilaterally. I am not saying that is you doing that. But certainly people in this thread have and do even though someone else may come along and say nobody in this thread has said such things... they most assuredly have. The say the most blasphemous things about God and then claim that is what I believe simply because they hate that I tell a truth they cannot bear.
Well, I have yet to see any reason reason to believe that they think that the Gospel is sufficient to convince people to repent and be saved.
Why not just have a secret crucifixion and get it over with? I mean they truly believe that everyone saved is supposedly chosen before they were created right? No need for all of this drama and spectacle.
But you do believe in shotgun conceptions right? I mean you did say so right? The Holy Spirit did not ask permission of Mary nor did He need it? Right?
And what exactly do your beliefs have to do with the Jewish wedding pattern, including the rights of the bride that are sacrosanct and codified? Things like informed consent, no coercion and free will right of refusal?
Not much. Probably closer to nothing.
Eve was in Adam.
Taken out of Adam and given a body of same materials.
Eve was the bride of Adam!
The Church is now hidden in Christ.
The body of the Christ will be taken out of the body of Jesus.
Only the Church has been CHOSEN before the foundations of the earth.
Chosen IN HIM.
Make the connection, please!
Taken out of Adam and given a body of same materials.
Eve was the bride of Adam!
The Church is now hidden in Christ.
The body of the Christ will be taken out of the body of Jesus.
Only the Church has been CHOSEN before the foundations of the earth.
Chosen IN HIM.
Make the connection, please!
.... they never seem to express any sorrow about the other apples (see link #3957) who were not picked, their entire theology is a
diatribe which seeks to justify why God picked them because they could not believe.
Why would they have any sorrow for the lost from their viewpoint it was never in God's plan to save them and bequeath them belief.
Obviously their god is not grieved, if he was, he would bequeath everyone belief so why should they be grieved?
Nope they cannot recognize this dissonance because we all know it challenges deeply, but then they argue against God is Love so should we be surprised?
It never dawns on them that is not the character of God at all, and actually more like a god of Greek mythology picking favorites in the apple bin, with morally arbitrary actions.
God can never be morally arbitrary even in His omnipotence because then He is NOT the God of the Bible ever!
Belief is a work of faith. Faith comes by hearing. Hearing comes from the word of God. God provides the word. God provides the Spirit. God provides the hearing which leads to faith that allows belief.
God does everything necessary for faith. Why wouldn't someone who has been provided the word of God, hearing, and the Spirit not believe?
Just as the work of baptism or repentance don't save an individual, neither does the work of believing save someone. Believing is simply acting on the faith that has been produced by the word and Spirit.
God does everything necessary for faith. Why wouldn't someone who has been provided the word of God, hearing, and the Spirit not believe?
Just as the work of baptism or repentance don't save an individual, neither does the work of believing save someone. Believing is simply acting on the faith that has been produced by the word and Spirit.
Well there we go, a totally compelling analogy to support Calvinism, I am convinced ... and converted and all it took was making people apples in an apple bin, I totally get it now!
Keep going down this path and you will have a morally ambivalent god because if God provides all this then He fails some of the time or He does not act for everyone, correct?
But you will not admit to this will you?
God, yes the One True God conditions salvation upon personal belief a personal act of trust in God's gift offering upon hearing the Good News!!
And while I am at it regeneration before belief is not established in scripture anywhere.
Very.........like I have noticed most people shy away from going the full length of this doctrine, they (general "they" who follow this doctrine) know they have to end up here to be logically consistent most just avoid being honest about it.
I honestly think people who bring babies into these types of convos are being manipulative.
And I honestly believe God is good and merciful and loving and just. And fair. Unlike you.
I somehow missed post #3957.
Glad I did. Having just read it now I feel more than a little queasy. Ugh.
That is some bizarre stuff. The Calvinite crazy train truly has run off the rails.