Enjoy your gruel and chamber pot in that dungeon buddy.
Evidently, you have no other choice.
Understanding God’s election
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Evidently, you have no other choice.
!I have never heard someone say God gave OT folks a choice but forced NT folks to obey His laws.
However, that does not harmonize God's sovereignty with His all-lovingness, a logical contradiction you avoid like a plague--or are you also going to say God changed His nature from all-loving in the OT to only loving a few in the NT?
Rahab was provided infallible witness. So was everyone else.
Rahab feared. So did everyone else.
Rahab knew. So did everyone else.
But both Rahab and the Gibeonites made informed, rational, deliberate willful decisions,
PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE AND CHOSE TO ENTER INTO THE COVENANT.
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What of Chorazin and Bethsaida? They made informed, rational deliberate willful choices just the same.
So, you don't understand those verses ? I didn't write them. What do you think they mean? God is judge too - His lovingkindness
reserved for those, and only for those, He chose to justify by Christ.
Even worse, after 30 years of being a Christian and suffering persecution.
The thought occurs that perhaps I was never predestined for salvation.
Even though I confessed Jesus and believed in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Alas, the biblical criteria is met but ultimately did God choose me?
I wonder how many Calvinists have hit that speed bump.
Have I been eternally chosen or was I acting like a Christian my whole life?
Under Calvinism there is no test for the Christian faith because no one knows.
God placed within the hearts and minds of the NC folks, his law - the law of Christ - which law, through the Holy Spirit, they conform to but was satisfied by Christ.
[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
The choice given the OC folks could not be satisfied by them:
[Eze 20:25 KJV] 25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.
Salvation is a free gift given to those that believe the gospel.
1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified (the gospel).
The gospel is all about the death and resurrection of Jesus and nothing else.
The atonement of us to the Father belongs to Christ alone.
Were that true, the verse would be contradicted from within itself.
That dungeon that you think I'm in is merely a product of your overworked, under-nourished, Arminianism-fed, spiritually-dead imagination.
Correct, and therefore, it is not by anything that we may do, including by/from our belief - it is a gift given solely by/through Christ - all by Him - our belief comes from that.
Not true! We should be measuring our lives by scripture that clearly, plainly and frequently tells us what kind of lives God's new born again creation should be living.
No man chooses to enter into a covenant with God, since all the covenants were instituted by God and the terms and not man! It is strictly by God's doing that anyone us is in Christ Jesus (1Cor 1:30). The text doesn't say that anyone is in Christ Jesus due to men willfully teaming up with God to save them. Read the terms of the unconditional, unilateral New Covenant some day.
The question should be "What do all of the verses on this topic mean or how can they be harmonized?"
IOW, how can "I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more" (Heb 10:16-17) be harmonized with "God our Savior wants all people to be saved" (1TM 2:3-4, cf. MT 5:44-48)?
Do you want to go first?
There is no requirement to attend a reformed church for salvation. I personally attend a nondenominational church. There are also no requirements that one is reformed to attend a church with reformed beliefs.
That you find it gobblygook simply means you don't understand reformed theology.
Okay. It is not, nor was it ever, His plan to save everyone.
The "all" represents "all" He chose to salvation - that is not everyone
Mat 5:44-48 speaks to God's common grace, not his saving grace. And I debunked the poor, anemic interpretation of 1Tim 2:3-7 yesterday in this thread in my post 2474. "All men" in this passage is used in the limited sense by Paul.
God is always at work. When one is in tune with the spiritual, like Jesus they will see what God is doing and join Him. Jesus did only what He saw the Father doing. We should do likewise. What do you suppose Jesus saw God doing?
There is an excellent book by Henry Blackaby called Experiencing God that might prove helpful.