Understanding God’s election

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Genez said:
He is way out and one of the weeds.
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I have my suspicions that for sure. Regarding several of these posters.

But since I am not the judge, I need not bear that burden.
 
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cv5 said:
The fallen host have many ways and means. Many alternatives.
And most importantly evil men who are their vassals who will accommodate their will.

And consider the possibilities of a scenario similar to Uruk-hai being bred in the pits of Isengard.
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I was never big into the Lord of the Rings.
I was too old for it when it became popular.
But I was very aware of it by how my younger brother and friends were very much into it.

Angels were created with the ability to travel instantly through space by God's direction.
They were able to materialize, and even eat man's food… as witnessed to in Genesis 18.
 
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Rufus said:
Yes, I'm sure you think you're a "free man". I bet you even think that you freed yourself from the dungeon of death, darkness, sin, enslavement to the law and to the devil by your own sovereign free will. You planned every detail of your great escape, didn't you? Superman has nothing over you, does he?
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LOL. Get a clue man.

I freed myself from the Calvinite cult and the prison into which you are stuffed.
 
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Genez said:
I was never big into the Lord of the Rings.
I was too old for it when it became popular.
But I was very aware of it by how my younger brother and friends were very much into it.

Angels were created with the ability to travel instantly through space by God's direction.
They were able to materialize, and even eat man's food… as witnessed to in Genesis 18.
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"Uruk-hai being bred in the pits of Isengard"

Just Google it. There are rumors BTW.....!
 
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Rufus said:
Yes, I'm sure you think you're a "free man". I bet you even think that you freed yourself from the dungeon of death, darkness, sin, enslavement to the law and to the devil by your own sovereign free will. You planned every detail of your great escape, didn't you? Superman has nothing over you, does he?
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What a dreary mind you have.
No wonder your dogma feeds you.
 
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Genez said:
Why do others get it, and you always have a deficiency?

Let all the others that get it explain it to you.
I’m not your babysitter.

And, I do mean that.
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Explain the deficiency. I have provided much more scriptural evidence that angels are not sons of God than any of you have for the opposite opinion. You guys are going outside the bounds of scriptural exegesis and saying believe what I say or you're deficient. Cult-like mentality
 
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On Christmas morning will you have the capability of accepting gifts offered to you? Do you pay any attention to the beautiful wrapping paper? (DT 30:19)

I love ham for Christmas dinner!
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But on the Day of one's Salvation, that person is made willing on that Day of God's Power to receive His gracious, awesome and indescribable gift of eternal life through the Holy Spirit (Ps 110:3; Phil 2:13; Lk 14:23).
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Explain the deficiency. I have provided much more scriptural evidence that angels are not sons of God than any of you have for the opposite opinion. You guys are going outside the bounds of scriptural exegesis and saying believe what I say or you're deficient. Cult-like mentality
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Well then when the Satan-man comes, invite him over for dinner and ask him how it works.
 
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cv5 said:
Poor @rogerg
Still stuck in that Calvinite dungeon.
Probably waaaayyy down in the basement somewhere.

I hear birds tweeting where I'm at. Luck me huh?

They knew buddy. They all knew. Same as every man today knows.
Its just that some CHOOSE to make the confession of the truth and some CHOOSE not to.

[Jos 2:11 KJV]
And as soon as ***we*** had heard [these things], our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he [is] God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.
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Oh, okay, so you mean that terrible "dungeon" of being given salvation by God, solely as a completely free gift. That dungeon? Oh, okay, now it's starting to make sense -it's better to have to do something to earn salvation- which no one can do -than to be given it freely as a gift. Now, that's a really smart trade. NOT. You will find the "dungeon" your escaped has placed you into a dungeon from which there is no escape.
 
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Rufus said:
You planned every detail of your great escape, didn't you?
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Evidently Rahab had a plan. And it worked like a charm.
Same goes for the Gibeonites. Tricky those Gibeonites. A critical study BTW.

God's arm is not shortened so that it cannot save you know.

[Isa 59:1 KJV]
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
 
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HeIsHere said:
First one has to know planes exist.
In your soteriology a person can be saved without ever knowing how to be saved >>>> why because you deny the "belief" condition.

Nothing more to be said.
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Who told you this rubbish? Who here as ever said such a thing!? And what you say isn't possible since one is born of both the Word and the Spirit. I KNOW I'm saved by grace through faith, and that even the faith is not of my own, it is a gift of God.
 
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Who told you this rubbish? Who here as ever said such a thing!? And what you say isn't possible since one is born of both the Word and the Spirit. I KNOW I'm saved by grace through faith, and that even the faith is not of my own, it is a gift of God.
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Scripture states otherwise.
 
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Oh, okay, so you mean that terrible "dungeon" of being given salvation by God, solely as a completely free gift. That dungeon? Oh, okay, now it's starting to make sense -it's better to have to do something to earn salvation- which no one can do -than to be given it freely as a gift. Now, that's a really smart trade. NOT. You will find the "dungeon" your escaped has placed you into a dungeon from which there is no escape.
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Hey man, if you and @Rufus love your dungeon, you can keep your dungeon.

Your CHOICE.

Time for me to feed the squirrels in the bright sunshine!
 
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cv5 said:
Evidently Rahab had a plan. And it worked like a charm.
Same goes for the Gibeonites. Tricky those Gibeonites. A critical study BTW.

God's arm is not shortened so that it cannot save you know.

[Isa 59:1 KJV]
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
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Rahab was an instrument of God's plan. She had a plan because she was one of God's elect. And if it weren't for God's power, the Gibeonites would have folded like a cheap accordion.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Okay..
Sermon is then..

"Christ was crucified and then rose from the dead.

I do not have to explain it any further what it means for you on a personal level becuase you cannot believe it or exercise faith IN Christ Jesus as the object of your faith as God requires, so no worries the wind blows where it will and you might get lucky before you die.

Since this is all goobly gook/foolishness to you as Paul explains so clearly, again no worries being a member of the Reformed Church means most likely you are one of the elect because that is who gathers here."
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No luck involved since there is no such thing. But even more importantly because nothing can thwart God's purposes or plans. Whom God foreknew, he predestined. And who he predestined, he called; and who he called, he justified, etc.
 
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Genez said:
My brother was flown to Los Angeles and was commissioned to create the backgrounds and characters to Bakshi's Lord of the Rings.

Bakshi was very negative towards Christianity and even made fun of my brother. My brother's name was kept off the credits.
But, later on, someone else knowing of his talent hired him to illustrate his book...
https://pima1963.wordpress.com/2015...yron-preiss-and-j-michael-reaves-dragonworld/
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Oh I get it now. No wonder you are off into a biblical fantasy world
 
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LOL. Get a clue man.

I freed myself from the Calvinite cult and the prison into which you are stuffed.
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But you failed dismally to free yourself from you own deceitful heart; therefore, you only think you are free.
 
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