Understanding God’s election
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I'm still waiting on the evidence of reason. Also, I asked for scripture references. You always have some to misapply. How about just answering the questions I ask and stop assuming what I haven't asked.
I have never seen anyone give so many answers to questions that aren't asked.
You simply resent, and will continue doing what you do.
You do not even know why you resent, but I am sure you think you do.
God GRANTED repentance? According to some here, that was a universal, God-given birthright from day one.
Go ahead........tell your kids that they are dead.
Then tell your neighbors that their kids are dead too.
And then get out there and preach YOUR gospel that all children are dead, and all parents are dead too.
Whether or not the goulish pre-condemners get there kicks from this I cannot say.
But given their sentiment toward universal doom and abject hopelessness, it sure seems likely.
It most certainly is a birthright to all those who desire it.God GRANTED repentance? According to some here, that was a universal, God-given birthright from day one.
In fact this has been the plan of God from before the foundation of the world:
Bringing many sons to glory.
[2Co 2:15-17 KJV
] 15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
You sound alarmed because you have been disarmed. And you should be. And need to be.
Do you realize by now you are in a back and forth with an unlearned anti-scripture child and skeptic?
You hope to reach that? Or do you just want to see how much lower they'll go assailing Christians here?
If you ignore them they'll tantrum elsewhere.
Yes, I know, MeowFlower, and thank you, but I and others here hope to edify readers by using the incorrect doctrine of CV5 (and those of his ilk) in order to compare and contrast it with correct doctrine, as aggravating as that may be.
There it is. More brilliant discernment. I don't resent anyone. You simply subtly insult people who don't agree with you and project your own flaws on to others. You can't sustain your arguments with scripture so you belittle others who see your doctrinal error.
I see that.
However, after awhile you all are encouraging their depravity to continue. And in some,their blasphemy.
God's word speaks for itself unto those whom he grants the ears to hear and the eyes to see.
Does God tell us to encourage evil doers?
Do we teach the mind of the natural man? Or does God?
God GRANTED repentance? According to some here, that was a universal, God-given birthright from day one.
To grant, means to 'allow.'
They were given a chance to recover.
Oh, it is definitely God who teaches spiritual discernment by the Holy Spirit to those whom He had elected to receive it, but it seems to me, based upon these verses, that He uses believers as part of that process. One never knows who He might be of His elect - given that God chose Saul (the chief of sinners) and converted him into Paul, it is possible that anyone might be of the elect no matter how unlikely a candidate they may appear to be to us.
[2Co 2:14-17 KJV]
14 Now thanks [be] unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.
15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
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You are able to keep a layer of detachment between you and what motivates, lest you would have to face the real problem.
What I do does not depend upon you accepting what I say.