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SabbathBlessing

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Where your SDA vehicle gets a flat tire is in Acts 15.

Acts 15:8
But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to
circumcise them and to direct them to keep the Law of Moses.”

Do the Gentiles need to keep the law of Moses including the sabbath?

The reply by the apostles was no.

Acts 15:19-20
Therefore, it is my judgment that we do not cause trouble for those from the Gentiles who
are turning to God, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated
by idols, from acts of sexual immorality, from what has been strangled, and from blood.

If your interpretation was correct the apostles should have said. But we write to them
that they obey the ten commandments only.

Acts 15 is the focal point of this debate concerning Gentiles and the law of Moses.
Can you point out where Moses is in these verses? Do you think Moses is God?


Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His (God) covenant which He (God) commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 20: 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me (God) and keep My (God) commandments.

Moses didn't even take credit for God's work-why don't you give Him credit for defining His own commandments ?

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Is there anyone who has more Authority than God?


The law of Moses is not the Ten Commandments. The law of Moses included the Ten Commandments because God's people keep God's commandments- His version.

Circumcision is in the law of Moses as the scriptures says. God's Ten Commandments are known as the commandments of God, law of God etc.

God's law:
Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; found right in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:13

Law of Moses:

Acts 15:8
But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to
circumcise them and to direct them to keep the Law of Moses.”
 

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Cameron if you walked in the spirit you would follow everything Christ was teaching. Our brother Nehemiah6 sometimes spoke that people receive a different measure of the Holy spirit, perhaps it is the case here also.

John 3:34:
"For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure."
This verse shows that Jesus received the Spirit without measure, in contrast to others who may receive the Spirit in varying measures.

Ephesians 4:7:
"But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift."


Peace.
Let's suppose you are walking in the Spirit on a Monday. By your admission, you are not sinning. This means you are fulfilling the whole law. How are you keeping the Sabbath requirements at that time?
 

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Cameron, do like I did and STUDY how the books in the bible were put there and why and by who, also you will notice there were quite a lot of shuffling of the bible writings over time, this you can find in published articles found in specialized university libraries, Most are fully accessible online, just go and research this, then we will may discuss again.

if you research the criteria for inclusion or exclusion for texts from the bible, you will be surprised.
Should the epistles of Paul be included in the canon?
 

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not what i said. when God speaks through scripture you see the difference, there is a wisdom that is not man's.
That wisdom you speak of belongs to Jesus Christ.

The law tells you that you are a transgressor.

The law teaches you that you need the messiah.

Obedience to the law itself counts for nothing.

No one is righteous.

We are only saved by the perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

It was never Jesus plus the sabbath.

It was never Jesus plus the 10 commandments.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Do you understand the gravity of what Paul was telling the Corinthian church?

Salvation is a gift delivered by Christ alone!

If you can accept Christ alone for your salvation then your house will be in order.

We are not talking about the Christian life in Christ here.
 

SabbathBlessing

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This even goes against what Paul taught.
Obedience to the law itself counts for nothing.
1 Cor 7:19 Keeping the commandments of God is what matters

I hope love to God counts for something

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
John 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments

I hope salvation counts for something

Mat 19:17 . But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Rev 14: 12 Here is the [a]patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 4 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 

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Let's suppose you are walking in the Spirit on a Monday. By your admission, you are not sinning. This means you are fulfilling the whole law. How are you keeping the Sabbath requirements at that time?
Monday the second day and Sabbath, the seventh day are mutually exclusive. Could you explain the concept further?
 

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Can you point out where Moses is in these verses? Do you think Moses is God?


Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His (God) covenant which He (God) commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 20: 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me (God) and keep My (God) commandments.

Moses didn't even take credit for God's work-why don't you give Him credit for defining His own commandments ?

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Is there anyone who has more Authority than God?


The law of Moses is not the Ten Commandments. The law of Moses included the Ten Commandments because God's people keep God's commandments- His version.

Circumcision is in the law of Moses as the scriptures says. God's Ten Commandments are known as the commandments of God, law of God etc.

God's law:
Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; found right in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:13

Law of Moses:

Acts 15:8
But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to
circumcise them and to direct them to keep the Law of Moses.”
There is no sabbath commandment nor any of the 10 commandments in the apostles instruction
to the Gentiles.

Acts 15:19-20
Therefore, it is my judgment that we do not cause trouble for those from the Gentiles who
are turning to God, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated
by idols, from acts of sexual immorality, from what has been strangled, and from blood.

Your attempt to place the Gentiles under the law fails, because of Acts 15.

What is truly amazing is that you say that circumcision and the ceremonial law, was the
subject of Acts 15, not the ten commandments. Somehow you missed the reference to idolatry
shown here, "that they abstain from things contaminated by idols".

Idolatry is only mentioned in the ten commandments not the ceremonial law.

Exodus 20:4
“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth
beneath, or in the water under the earth.

Further, your claim of "ceremonial law" in Acts 15 also fails. Because "acts of sexual immorality, from
what has been strangled, and from blood" is from the ceremonial law.

Your interpretation is wrong twice over.
 

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Monday the second day and Sabbath, the seventh day are mutually exclusive. Could you explain the concept further?
Can you explain how the Romans who did not have a day off, until Constantine in 321 AD.
Could have practiced a sabbath rest.

As far as I know that Israel was the only country that worked a six day week.

No wonder the early church met before sunrise on Sunday because they worked
seven days a week.
 

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Monday the second day and Sabbath, the seventh day are mutually exclusive. Could you explain the concept further?
Sure. It has been suggested that the Sabbath can only be obeyed on the 7th day. It has also been posited that someone walking in the Spirit cannot be sinning. In other words, they are fulfilling the whole law. So I'm asking how is someone fulfilling the Sabbath commandment while walking in the Spirit on a Monday?
 

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There is no sabbath commandment nor any of the 10 commandments in the apostles instruction
to the Gentiles.

Acts 15:19-20
Therefore, it is my judgment that we do not cause trouble for those from the Gentiles who
are turning to God, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated
by idols, from acts of sexual immorality, from what has been strangled, and from blood.

Your attempt to place the Gentiles under the law fails, because of Acts 15.

What is truly amazing is that you say that circumcision and the ceremonial law, was the
subject of Acts 15, not the ten commandments. Somehow you missed the reference to idolatry
shown here, "that they abstain from things contaminated by idols".

Idolatry is only mentioned in the ten commandments not the ceremonial law.

Exodus 20:4
“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth
beneath, or in the water under the earth.

Further, your claim of "ceremonial law" in Acts 15 also fails. Because "acts of sexual immorality, from
what has been strangled, and from blood" is from the ceremonial law.

Your interpretation is wrong twice over.
So Gentiles can worship other gods, vain His holy name, covet, murder and steal? They don't have to keep the greatest commandments as it is not stated here either. And we can ignore all of the teachings of Jesus because Paul said according to you, they only have to keep these 4 things in Acts 15?

Yet, the Gentiles were keeping every Sabbath with the apostles Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 because Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. Man does not spell Jew.

I see why Paul has a warning about his writings.
 

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Then why did you bring animal sacrifices on the Sabbath?. I didn’t. Sacrifices ended, Sabbath did not per NT Such as Luke 4:16 Acts 18:3 Acts 13:42-44 etc etc
“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭31:1, 12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The New Testament

“But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:7, 12-15‬ ‭

If we cling to rocks given to a certain rebellious people , tbat administer death through an unforgiving angel we’re not going to ever understand the gospel.

The Ten Commandments aren’t what God actually has to say the gospel is what he actually has to say . When you vote luke or acts , your talking about a lot of Jews who were under the law
 

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@Pilgrimshope

Here is detailed study on 2 Cor 3. I hope you find it helpful, because Paul is not teaching against what Jesus taught, but can be hard to understand at times. Its actually showing the Ten Commandments went from tables of stone to tablets of the heart. The only change was the placement, and gives us the power through our cooperation to keep them. God keeps His promises Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18

In verses 1-3 we have an introduction to a new section which contains an allusion to the Ten Commandments and the New Covenant:

  • First, there were, apparently, “letters of recommendation” that ministers were caring at this time, possibly for the purpose of avoiding false teachers, but it seems like in Paul’s view, a true “letter of recommendation” was the changed lives of the people he ministered to which was evident outwardly (verses 1-2).
  • The reason for their change is because they have the New Covenant. Verse 3 is using New Covenant language (in fact we are sure of this, because verse 6 says “new covenant”). It says that they’re lives are letters written by the Spirit in the heart, and not by ink on “tablets of stone,” an allusion or quick hint to the Ten Commandments.
  • A good hermeneutical move is to always go to where the author is referring or alluding to, in order to better understand what he means. Paul is borrowing New Covenant language directly from the actual prophecy about the New Covenant in Jer. 31:30-33 (cf. Ezek. 36:26-27). In Jeremiah 31:33, we read that God will write His “laws” in their mind and hearts. Since Paul, while speaking about this New Covenant, alludes to the Ten Commandments (tablets of stone), the law in this prophecy is the Ten Commandments being written in another location, the mind and heart.
  • The New Covenant is, therefore, a total transformation of the heart, where sins are forgiven and forgotten, God’s Law is written in the heart by the Spirit, and people begin to actually live righteous lives (cf. Jer. 31:34, Ezek. 36:26-27). The Law can only be obeyed by the power of God’s Spirit.
  • Therefore, the lives of the Corinthian Christians are living manifestations of God’s law. It was not abolished for them (which Mr. Tucker repeatedly says). On the contrary, their lives manifest obedience to it.
  • This is the immediate context, and obviously what follows after this will not mean that the Ten Commandments was abolished for the Christian, since it is written in their hearts. The change was in location, from tablets of stone to “fleshy tables of the heart.”
  • QUESTION: However, if what follows will show that the Ten commandments were abolished for the Christian, why are they still playing a role in the lives of Christians? Provide examples. See: Eph. 6:1-3 (actually, the whole letter of Ephesians alludes to various commandments to not break them, see 4:25 28, 29, 31, 5:3-5, 6), Rom. 3:31, 7:7-12, especially verse 13).
SECTION 2: THE LETTER KILLS, THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH

  • In verse 4, Paul says that he is fully confident that they are living New Covenant lives which manifest obedience to the Ten Commandments from the heart rather than from tablets of stones (verses 2-3), because his trust is “through Christ toward God” and not in the work they did for them.
  • Nevertheless, God made Paul the minister of this New Covenant, not of the letter, which previously was on stone and ink, but of the Spirit, which is now the Law written in the heart (verse 6a).
  • The last clause of verse 6, and also verses 7 and 9 speak of the Law as something that kills, brings death and condemns. Why?
  • Paul does not here say how the Law kills, but he does in Romans 7:7-13. It kills by revealing the source of death, which is sin! Compared with Psalm 119:86-88:

    “All Your commandments are faithful; They persecute me wrongfully; Help me! They almost made an end of me on earth, But I did not forsake Your precepts. Revive me according to Your lovingkindness, So that I may KEEP the testimony of Your mouth.” (Psa. 119:86-88. Note: Comparing the “commandments” here to Rom. 7:7, we learn that the specific laws that kill are the Ten Commandments, since Paul quotes from the tenth one to make his point).
  • Psalm 119:86-88 may be referring to David’s enemies as the persecutors, but the clauses of each sentence indicate that the Law has a special function of revealing sin, especially when we compare them to Romans 7:7-13, which also speak of the commandments as something that kills, yet continues to be desirable by Paul.
  • We learn from these references that: 1. The law kills in the sense that it reveals sin by pointing to our faults, and 2. This, however, should motivate us to obey it to be in harmony with it.
SECTION 3: TWO MINISTRATIONS: VERSE 9:

  • The ministration of RIGHTEOUSNESS
  • The ministration of CONDEMNATION
SECTION 4: WAS THE LAW ABOLISHED?

  • LET US ASSUME THE TEXT MEANS THE LAW WAS ABOLISHED AS WELL. Various problems arise:

    ONE: The immediate context says it is written in the heart (verses 2-3, cf. Jer. 31:33).
    TWO: In Rom. 7:13 Paul asks, “Has then what is good (the commandment, verse 12) made death unto me?” His answer is a resounding, “certainly not!.”
    -No, because Paul also wrote that faith establishes, rather then abolishes, the law (Rom. 3:31).
    -No, because David, speaking of the same law that kills, views that as a good thing, and asks God to help him even more to keep it! (cf. Psa. 119:86-88).
  • Compare verses 7 and 13 to Romans 3:21. Same Greek word: katargeo.
  • The same Greek word in verse 7 is used in verse 13. Both mention what the Israelites could NOT look upon
SECTION 5: WHAT, THAN, WAS ABOLISHED?

  • According to verses 7-13, the following things were abolished:

    -The ministration under Moses which included the ministry under the Old Dispensation, including the tablets of stone and, by implication, the entire earthly Sanctuary service, to be replaced with the ministration of the Spirit, with fleshy tablets and, by implication, a heavenly Sanctuary (cf. Heb. 8:2).
    -The face of Moses, his leadership, being replaced by the face of Christ, as the new High Priest.
  • The tablets would not be necessary when its contents are lived out in the lives of believers. Christians should not be trying to measure up to standards that have not convicted their minds and transformed their thoughts. God wants people to want to do right, and He does this by writing His moral principles in their hearts as He previously wrote them on stone. The stones are no longer needed when its principles are lived and obeyed. Once again, believers would NOT insist on abolishing the Law if they truly have it written in the heart.
CONCLUSION: The critic asked, “When was the law established?” but this time quotes 2 Corinthians 3. According to the document we are examining, the law “ended at the cross for believers.” However, that is not what 2 Cor. 3 teaches. On the contrary, this chapter reinforces the Ten Commandments in a better way, as principles that are now written in the heart, rather than stone, under the New Covenant for believers.

This is what we get from the immediate context. The first three verses demonstrate what the lives of New Covenant believers look like. They have the Law of God written in the heart, and it is quite evident. They are, as Paul puts it, living epistles, “known and read by all men.” Paul borrows language from the New Covenant in Jer. 31:33 and alludes to the Ten Commandments when he mentioned the “tablets of stones.” In other words, these Corinthians believers have the Ten Commandments written in their hearts, as promised in the New Covenant prophecy, and everyone can see it by their lives and acts. We know it is “ten” commandments, which includes the fourth, because the “tablets of stone” contained ten, not nine. Therefore, all Ten Commandments are written in their hearts, and as the other nine are practiced both spiritually and practically, so with the fourth one. Anyone living the New Covenant experience, therefore, will not be going around claiming that the Law “ended for believers.”

The conclusion drawn is that the first few verses speak about the Law written in the heart and lived out by the Corinthians believers, what follows after verse 3, therefore, does not abolish the Law. A careful look at the remaining verses reveal that indeed something was abolished, and that was the old ministration of the Law under Moses, along Moses himself and the tablets of stone. The contents of the Law, however, were transferred to the heart. A comparison with verse 13 with the actual story Paul is talking about, found in Exo. 34:29-35, reveals that what was abolished was that which “the children of Israel could NOT look steadily at…” In Exo. 34, the tablets of stone were in plain view in the hands of Moses, but his face was covered. Nevertheless, there is no longer a need for the stone tablets, not that its contents are in the mind and hearts of New Covenant believers.

Not only does the immediate context not allow for the contents of the tablets to be abolished, Paul says in Rom. 3:31 that the Law is NOT made “void” to believers. The Greek word translated “void” is the same one translated “abolished” or “passing away” in 2 Cor. 3.

2 Cor. 3 also explains that the tablets of stone are referred to as the “ministration of death” and “condemnation.” This is because, as Paul explains elsewhere, the Ten Commandments reveal sin, and sin brings death (see Rom. 7:7-11, cf. James. 1:15). Nevertheless, the commandment that does this is considered “holy, just and good” and that which is good does NOT become death to believers (see verses 12-13). Of course, because as 2 Cor. 3 says, it is written in the heart.
 

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@Pilgrimshope

Here is detailed study on 2 Cor 3. I hope you find it helpful, because Paul is not teaching against what Jesus taught, but can be hard to understand at times. Its actually showing the Ten Commandments went from tables of stone to tablets of the heart. The only change was the placement, and gives us the power through our cooperation to keep them. God keeps His promises Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18

In verses 1-3 we have an introduction to a new section which contains an allusion to the Ten Commandments and the New Covenant:

  • First, there were, apparently, “letters of recommendation” that ministers were caring at this time, possibly for the purpose of avoiding false teachers, but it seems like in Paul’s view, a true “letter of recommendation” was the changed lives of the people he ministered to which was evident outwardly (verses 1-2).
  • The reason for their change is because they have the New Covenant. Verse 3 is using New Covenant language (in fact we are sure of this, because verse 6 says “new covenant”). It says that they’re lives are letters written by the Spirit in the heart, and not by ink on “tablets of stone,” an allusion or quick hint to the Ten Commandments.
  • A good hermeneutical move is to always go to where the author is referring or alluding to, in order to better understand what he means. Paul is borrowing New Covenant language directly from the actual prophecy about the New Covenant in Jer. 31:30-33 (cf. Ezek. 36:26-27). In Jeremiah 31:33, we read that God will write His “laws” in their mind and hearts. Since Paul, while speaking about this New Covenant, alludes to the Ten Commandments (tablets of stone), the law in this prophecy is the Ten Commandments being written in another location, the mind and heart.
  • The New Covenant is, therefore, a total transformation of the heart, where sins are forgiven and forgotten, God’s Law is written in the heart by the Spirit, and people begin to actually live righteous lives (cf. Jer. 31:34, Ezek. 36:26-27). The Law can only be obeyed by the power of God’s Spirit.
  • Therefore, the lives of the Corinthian Christians are living manifestations of God’s law. It was not abolished for them (which Mr. Tucker repeatedly says). On the contrary, their lives manifest obedience to it.
  • This is the immediate context, and obviously what follows after this will not mean that the Ten Commandments was abolished for the Christian, since it is written in their hearts. The change was in location, from tablets of stone to “fleshy tables of the heart.”
  • QUESTION: However, if what follows will show that the Ten commandments were abolished for the Christian, why are they still playing a role in the lives of Christians? Provide examples. See: Eph. 6:1-3 (actually, the whole letter of Ephesians alludes to various commandments to not break them, see 4:25 28, 29, 31, 5:3-5, 6), Rom. 3:31, 7:7-12, especially verse 13).
SECTION 2: THE LETTER KILLS, THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH

  • In verse 4, Paul says that he is fully confident that they are living New Covenant lives which manifest obedience to the Ten Commandments from the heart rather than from tablets of stones (verses 2-3), because his trust is “through Christ toward God” and not in the work they did for them.
  • Nevertheless, God made Paul the minister of this New Covenant, not of the letter, which previously was on stone and ink, but of the Spirit, which is now the Law written in the heart (verse 6a).
  • The last clause of verse 6, and also verses 7 and 9 speak of the Law as something that kills, brings death and condemns. Why?
  • Paul does not here say how the Law kills, but he does in Romans 7:7-13. It kills by revealing the source of death, which is sin! Compared with Psalm 119:86-88:

    “All Your commandments are faithful; They persecute me wrongfully; Help me! They almost made an end of me on earth, But I did not forsake Your precepts. Revive me according to Your lovingkindness, So that I may KEEP the testimony of Your mouth.” (Psa. 119:86-88. Note: Comparing the “commandments” here to Rom. 7:7, we learn that the specific laws that kill are the Ten Commandments, since Paul quotes from the tenth one to make his point).
  • Psalm 119:86-88 may be referring to David’s enemies as the persecutors, but the clauses of each sentence indicate that the Law has a special function of revealing sin, especially when we compare them to Romans 7:7-13, which also speak of the commandments as something that kills, yet continues to be desirable by Paul.
  • We learn from these references that: 1. The law kills in the sense that it reveals sin by pointing to our faults, and 2. This, however, should motivate us to obey it to be in harmony with it.
SECTION 3: TWO MINISTRATIONS: VERSE 9:

  • The ministration of RIGHTEOUSNESS
  • The ministration of CONDEMNATION
SECTION 4: WAS THE LAW ABOLISHED?

  • LET US ASSUME THE TEXT MEANS THE LAW WAS ABOLISHED AS WELL. Various problems arise:

    ONE: The immediate context says it is written in the heart (verses 2-3, cf. Jer. 31:33).
    TWO: In Rom. 7:13 Paul asks, “Has then what is good (the commandment, verse 12) made death unto me?” His answer is a resounding, “certainly not!.”
    -No, because Paul also wrote that faith establishes, rather then abolishes, the law (Rom. 3:31).
    -No, because David, speaking of the same law that kills, views that as a good thing, and asks God to help him even more to keep it! (cf. Psa. 119:86-88).
  • Compare verses 7 and 13 to Romans 3:21. Same Greek word: katargeo.
  • The same Greek word in verse 7 is used in verse 13. Both mention what the Israelites could NOT look upon
SECTION 5: WHAT, THAN, WAS ABOLISHED?

  • According to verses 7-13, the following things were abolished:

    -The ministration under Moses which included the ministry under the Old Dispensation, including the tablets of stone and, by implication, the entire earthly Sanctuary service, to be replaced with the ministration of the Spirit, with fleshy tablets and, by implication, a heavenly Sanctuary (cf. Heb. 8:2).
    -The face of Moses, his leadership, being replaced by the face of Christ, as the new High Priest.
  • The tablets would not be necessary when its contents are lived out in the lives of believers. Christians should not be trying to measure up to standards that have not convicted their minds and transformed their thoughts. God wants people to want to do right, and He does this by writing His moral principles in their hearts as He previously wrote them on stone. The stones are no longer needed when its principles are lived and obeyed. Once again, believers would NOT insist on abolishing the Law if they truly have it written in the heart.
CONCLUSION: The critic asked, “When was the law established?” but this time quotes 2 Corinthians 3. According to the document we are examining, the law “ended at the cross for believers.” However, that is not what 2 Cor. 3 teaches. On the contrary, this chapter reinforces the Ten Commandments in a better way, as principles that are now written in the heart, rather than stone, under the New Covenant for believers.

This is what we get from the immediate context. The first three verses demonstrate what the lives of New Covenant believers look like. They have the Law of God written in the heart, and it is quite evident. They are, as Paul puts it, living epistles, “known and read by all men.” Paul borrows language from the New Covenant in Jer. 31:33 and alludes to the Ten Commandments when he mentioned the “tablets of stones.” In other words, these Corinthians believers have the Ten Commandments written in their hearts, as promised in the New Covenant prophecy, and everyone can see it by their lives and acts. We know it is “ten” commandments, which includes the fourth, because the “tablets of stone” contained ten, not nine. Therefore, all Ten Commandments are written in their hearts, and as the other nine are practiced both spiritually and practically, so with the fourth one. Anyone living the New Covenant experience, therefore, will not be going around claiming that the Law “ended for believers.”
Don't forget to reference the material in your post.

Otherwise, that is deemed to be theft (plagiarism) against the author.

I don't want you transgressing the 10 commandments.
 

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Let's suppose you are walking in the Spirit on a Monday. By your admission, you are not sinning. This means you are fulfilling the whole law. How are you keeping the Sabbath requirements at that time?
your argument does not Hold cameron sorry
 

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So, people no longer sin? There were animal sacrifices in the OT including in Numbers 28:9 - And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— 10 this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Also, see (2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Ezekiel 46:4; 12).

Now although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The word "sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

This was addressed to the Israelites. Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought YOU out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God has commanded YOU to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

Animal sacrifices are no longer required because Jesus is the Lamb of God and his sacrifice was the final, perfect offering for sins. Jesus is also our "sabbatismos" rest (Hebrews 4:9) in contrast with keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law.

Jesus was a Jew born under the law (Galatians 4:4) so of course he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day. Now keep reading: 18 - “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”
20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” Now look at the Jews reaction in (vs 28-29).

Why would there be a need for further sacrifices when Jesus was the final, perfect sacrifice for sins?

Do you worship in a synagogue today on the sabbath with Jews and Greeks who were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes? Where else would these people be gathering during that time? Once again, Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were not yet Christians. Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks." Why did you not bold trying to persuade Jews and Greeks in Acts 18:4?

I'm not sure why you are so obsessed with the 10 commandments when you have failed to flawlessly obey them (Romans 3:23) which makes them a ministry of death for you. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9) Since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made the old covenant obsolete to legally put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13) The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), and the apostle Paul says that by bearing one another's burdens, we fulfill "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) So, love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10) and out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, written in our heart, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9 10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

The moral aspect of the law is written on our hearts. Jesus Christ is our "sabbatismos" rest (Hebrews 4:9) "in contrast with keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law" and the law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the letter of the law. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9.
"...there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt." That's not true. Scripture has been posted to prove that.
You as with others here,are following your self made doctrine. Likely because you divorced yourselves of anything pertaining to that which is deemed Jewish or for Jews only.

Which speaks for itself as to how in error those who practice in that way are.
 

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"...there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt." That's not true. Scripture has been posted to prove that.
You as with others here,are following your self made doctrine. Likely because you divorced yourselves of anything pertaining to that which is deemed Jewish or for Jews only.

Which speaks for itself as to how in error those who practice in that way are.
True!

God speaks of this right in the Ten Commandments. Hopefully His Word means something to someone out there….

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

It started at Creation, made for man Mark 2:27 man was made in the image and likeness of God to follow Him who kept the Sabbath at Creation for mans example.
 

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True!

God speaks of this right in the Ten Commandments. Hopefully His Word means something to someone out there….

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

It started at Creation, made for man Mark 2:27 man was made in the image and likeness of God to follow Him who kept the Sabbath at Creation for mans example.
Really, the 10 Commandments are Christianity 101. It always surprises me when I encounter a self professed Christian in any community discussion board that insists they no longer apply for those in Christ.

I of course don't believe them. I don't think they really believe what they're claiming either.
 
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