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SabbathBlessing

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For readers here, Google: chatgpt is corrupt.

Then you shall know why it is not reliable in these discussions .
It’s just common sense, rather trust AI than what prayerfully study and trust God’s Word. He says to seek Him with all our heart, is when we will find Him, not seek a computer program.
 

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I think if someone truly believes that they would never oppose observing the Sabbath as he did. He and the Apostles,including Paul.
The Sabbath is to observe under the NC way then it will be able to be observed. but not the Old way
 

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[Rom 12:1 KJV] 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

[Luk 16:10 KJV] 10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
His not talking about this physical body But the spiritual one..
 

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The Sabbath is to observe under the NC way then it will be able to be observed. but not the Old way
Really, I see you are quoting you, but what I want to know is what does the scriptures say.

I think its important to stick with what God said, as He is still God in the NT.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

Lev 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

A holy convocation is a holy gathering like in Chruch

Did this change in the New Testament?

Not by Jesus

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Did it change after the Cross?

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Not by the apostle's

Does it change in the New Heaven and New Earth

Yes. Only because now instead of worshipping Christ in spirit, the saints will be in His physical presence, but the Sabbath remains just as what was promised.

Isa 66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Only God can edit one of His commandments and He promised He wouldn’t. Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-30
 

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Well,you see all of John's Revelations as having come true in 70A D so.....
Not everything, but most. But we all hold some of what we believe in error. That doesn't mean everything someone believes is inaccurate.
 

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So only those who observe a Saturday Sabbath are saved?
May I help you?

Your question should contain more information for clarity.

The mark of the beast is Sunday church attendance so at the end of days.

All Sunday worshipers will suffer the full wrath of God.

The Saturday church folk that rest are executed by the Sunday church folk in the last days.

Sunday services are national law in the end times and every citizen must attend Sunday church.

Therefore, the question should be.

Will God grant some mercy to those that hear the Saturday sabbath service time,s but go to Sunday church?
 

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We all sin, but if we have a right relationship with God, we will loose the cares of this world and focus on Jesus Christ. While I can’t obey Him on my own, I can through Christ, it’s a promise. John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12 but if we won’t even allow God to be God and follow His law, His version, not mans, there is no place for the Holy Spirit to come into our hearts and enable us to obey Him.
yes so the moment you free from sin is the moment you also able to keep the 7th day Sabbath. as it say.."whoever keeps the whole Law and stumbles at just "one" point is guilty of breaking ALL of them..James 2:10
 

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We all sin, but if we have a right relationship with God, we will loose the cares of this world and focus on Jesus Christ. While I can’t obey Him on my own, I can through Christ, it’s a promise. John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12 but if we won’t even allow God to be God and follow His law, His version, not mans, there is no place for the Holy Spirit to come into our hearts and enable us to obey Him.
I do not read the scripture the way you do.

The Holy Spirit is given to the believer and is the seal of their salvation.

We do not contribute to our salvation that belongs to Jesus alone.
 

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yes so the moment you free from sin is the moment you also able to keep the 7th day Sabbath. as it say.."whoever keeps the whole Law and stumbles at just "one" point is guilty of breaking ALL of them..James 2:10
Who stumbles on just one point of the law.

That instantly condemned me.
 

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yes so the moment you free from sin is the moment you also able to keep the 7th day Sabbath. as it say.."whoever keeps the whole Law and stumbles at just "one" point is guilty of breaking ALL of them..James 2:10
I can’t keep myself free from sin, but Christ through me can. Phil :13 John 14:15-18 thats the whole point of the New Covenant- its based on His strength, not ours.
 

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I think if someone truly believes that they would never oppose observing the Sabbath as he did. He and the Apostles,including Paul.
The million dollar question is whether the Gentile dogs need to obey the law also.

Were the gentiles in covenant to obey the law?

Did the Gentiles receive the law, the temple, the Patriarchs, the sacrifices, the sabbath, ...
 

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I can’t keep myself free from sin, but Christ through me can. Phil :13 John 14:15-18 thats the whole point of the New Covenant- its based on His strength, not ours.
Yes Christ in you..and the hope Psm 32:1,2. So thats is our work. To "believe" and the hope of Him living in us.
 

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I do not read the scripture the way you do.

The Holy Spirit is given to the believer and is the seal of their salvation.

We do not contribute to our salvation that belongs to Jesus alone.
So it’s just a one sided relationshi?. God does everything and we do what we want. No one sided relationship survives and either does our relationship with Christ.

If we don’t even allow God to be God and define His own law which He did, He spoke it, Exo 20:1 He wrote it Exo 31:10, He numbered it by design Exo 34:28 and claimed it as His own Exo 20:6 , not much more He could have done, but if we tell God I don’t want your law, the Holy Spirit has no place to work on our hearts to come out our rebellion.

It’s why everything is conditional. Not everyone who says Lord Lord will be saved. Mat 7:21-23
Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 we are not saved in sin Heb 10:26-30

Its why the promises are conditional

1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

But we are not doing the work, God is we just have to cooperate with Him.
 
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