There will be no Rapture!!!

[GWH]

Unless there is one. (chuckle)

Eschatalogical theologies are like noses. Everybody's got one.

Who nose? Not even Jesus. (MT 24:36)

 

[Cameron143]

Here is what I see...


Jews of the Millennium will inherit the New earth....
And, after the destruction of this present planet, will then inherit the final New earth,
which the Bible calls "the home of righteousness."

As you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. ​

That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by ​

fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping ​

with his promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven ​

and a new earth, the home of righteousness. 2 Peter 3:12-13​

As for us?
We, the Church?
We shall be the Bride of Christ.
Our home will be?
It will not be the New earth as the Millennial Jews will possess.

Our home, will be in Heaven.

Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, ​

and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly ​

things. But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await ​

a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ." Philippians 3:19-20​

That has to be two different covenants.

You decide what to do with that...
I just stated the facts.
Too many argue over covenants as it now is.

grace and peace ..........

Neither one of those passages is a covenant., but I appreciate you sharing your reasoning.

 

[sawdust]

There are some schools of thought about this, one of them being that once the world of the Gentiles, the nations, no longer countenance the Gospel, with it having been preached in every nation, no dialect having been left out, then the fullness will have come in.

Whether that happens in my lifetime, given that none of us knows for sure that we will still be in this world tomorrow, I believe it will be soon after having seen the map created be the world missions board and how few areas are left where the Gospel is not known to have been preached and Bibles in their language. The gaps are closing fast.

MM

Ah. Don't recall ever hearing that before. I've heard Christ won't return until the Gospel has been preached everywhere throughout the world but I don't recall hearing that connected with the fullness of the Gentiles coming in.

You learn something new everyday.

 

[Genez]

Neither one of those passages is a covenant., but I appreciate you sharing your reasoning.

They spoke of two distinct groups of believers, that were so different from one another, that they could not be within the same covenant.


Jews of the Millennium will inherit the New earth....
And, after the destruction of this present planet, will then inherit the final New earth,
which the Bible calls "the home of righteousness."


As you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.
That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by
fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping
with his promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven
and a new earth, the home of righteousness. 2 Peter 3:12-13

As for us?
We, the Church?
We shall be the Bride of Christ.
Our home will be?
It will not be the New earth as the Millennial Jews will possess.

Our home, will be in Heaven.

Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach,
and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly
things. But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await
a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ." Philippians 3:19-20

That has to be two different covenants.

 

[Cameron143]

They spoke of two distinct groups of believers, that were so different from one another, that they could not be within the same covenant.


Jews of the Millennium will inherit the New earth....
And, after the destruction of this present planet, will then inherit the final New earth,
which the Bible calls "the home of righteousness."


As you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.
That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by
fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping
with his promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven
and a new earth, the home of righteousness. 2 Peter 3:12-13

As for us?
We, the Church?
We shall be the Bride of Christ.
Our home will be?
It will not be the New earth as the Millennial Jews will possess.

Our home, will be in Heaven.

Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach,
and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly
things. But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await
a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ." Philippians 3:19-20

That has to be two different covenants.

Or, they describe 2 covenants that the Bible does speak concerning and your timing of their application is off.

 

[Genez]

Or, they describe 2 covenants that the Bible does speak concerning and your timing of their application is off.

Sir.. I have nothing to say other than what I pointed out.

I am not here to make you understand what you seem (at present) to be incapable of grasping.

For we are all at different points in our spiritual maturity.
Its a fact of life. Nothing personal.

.......

 

[Cameron143]

Sir.. I have nothing to say other than what I pointed out.

I am not here to make you understand what you seem (at present) to be incapable of grasping.

For we are all at different points in our spiritual maturity.
Its a fact of life. Nothing personal.

.......

You can't even show what you are saying is in the word of God. Rather than speculate on something, perhaps you should understand what the scripture says by what the scripture says.
Your last statement, though true, probably applies differently than you suspect.
And I never take offense, but I do consider the source.
Grace and peace.

 

[Genez]

You can't even show what you are saying is in the word of God. Rather than speculate on something, perhaps you should understand what the scripture says by what the scripture says.
Your last statement, though true, probably applies differently than you suspect.
And I never take offense, but I do consider the source.
Grace and peace.

Cameron....

Are you doing what you do, on purpose?

I have known people who would be that way, and enjoy it.

 

[Cameron143]

Cameron....

Are you doing what you do, on purpose?

I have known people who would be that way, and enjoy it.

Are you so condescending to people on purpose? Do you not recognize this about yourself?

 

[Genez]

Are you so condescending to people on purpose? Do you not recognize this about yourself?

No sir....

 

[Cameron143]

No sir....

Well, most everyone else is.

 

[Genez]

Well, most everyone else is.

I think I have no choice but to put you on Ignore.
It is the fair thing to do.

 

[Cameron143]

I think I have no choice but to put you on Ignore.
It is the fair thing to do.

More of that fruit of the Spirit on display.

 

[Omegatime]

Who nose? Not even Jesus. (MT 24:36)

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If you didn't think Jesus didnt know you need to wake up and ask what was He teaching?

 

[Genez]

Who nose? Not even Jesus. (MT 24:36)

While he had to remain as a man that was the case...


That was then.. Because he had to make himself become within the limitations of being a perfect man.

Who, eternally existing in the form of God,​

did not consider being equal with God something to be grasped,​

but emptied himself​

by taking the form of a slave,​

by becoming in the likeness of people.​

And being found in appearance like a man,​

he humbled himself​

by becoming obedient to the point of death,​

that is, death on a cross. ​

Philippians 2:6-8

He had to remain as a perfect man as to fully qualify to die in our place.

But, now? After He died in our place?
Jesus knows all things!

For, after He finished the atonement, HE THEN ASCENDED TO BE GLORIFIED.

Now He knows all that as God knows..

​

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." Colossians 2:9​

​

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[Psalm1]

Jesus' parable of the wheat and tares illustrates that the tares will first be collected and tied in bundles (wrath) to be burned (at the end of the millennium) and then the wheat (those who are alive and remain) will be gathered into the barn (rapture, never to be burned) at the time of harvest. How has this order of events been reversed?

Matt 25 is the rapture of the bride.
Pretrib, as is every rapture verse.

 

[Psalm1]

Dr.Michael Brown has a unique perspective

Any postrib rapture doctrine arrives at its doctrine via omission.
Where did he present the pretrib rapture doctrine verses?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Any postrib rapture doctrine arrives at its doctrine via omission.
Where did he present the pretrib rapture doctrine verses?

Where is a pretrib rapture explicitly mentioned? Or do you have to infer one from erroneous interpretations of other scripture?

 

[Mem]

Matt 25 is the rapture of the bride.
Pretrib, as is every rapture verse.

That would make sense then because I think that I might well have been raptured already, in the true sense, some time ago really, and since have been painfully watching the world in tribulation. It would take a book to explain it though.

 

[sawdust]

That would make sense then because I think that I might well have been raptured already, in the true sense, some time ago really, and since have been painfully watching the world in tribulation. It would take a book to explain it though.

Do you sin? (rhetorical question)

If yes, then you are not raptured.