Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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ZNP

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I don't care if they are pardoned or not, they should all be released from prison.

As for pardoning them if the crime they were convicted of was trespassing, fine. If it was something else along the lines of treason or insurrection, then of course they should be pardoned.

Also, if exculpatory evidence was withheld during their trial a mistrial should be proclaimed and the record expunged.
 

cv5

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Belief? Is there any Bible verse that says a third temple will be built in Jerusalem?

I am aware of Bible verses that say the Tabernacle of David will be raised again, and I am aware of Bible verses that talk about sacrifices and oblations being performed, and about the idol of the Antichrist being placed in the Holy Place (often mistranslated as temple) but I am not aware of any Bible prophecy in old or new testament saying there will be a Temple rebuilt. If you know of any I would greatly appreciate seeing it. Thanks
THE Temple. The definite article indicates that it is the physical building known always as The Temple.

2Th 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
 

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THE Temple. The definite article indicates that it is the physical building known always as The Temple.

2Th 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The Greek word is Naos.

Vine's expository dictionary says this: is used of the inner part of the Temple in Jerusalem, in Mat 23:35, RV, "sanctuary."

It is referring to the holy place, the inner part. The Tabernacle also had the Naos, it does not have to be a temple built out of stone, the last one took 40 years to build.

The Bible says this all will take place in perilous times. You don't build a temple in a war zone. So no, this verse does not refer to the temple and saying it does is a mis translation. This verse refers to the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies that were within the temple but were also within the tabernacle.
 

ZNP

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It's pretty clear the Donald doesn't know what he's doing when he has to have Elon Musk as a constant presence telling him what to do.
And you do know what you are doing?

Let's look at some of the things you have said

“Trump's co-defendants will flip and testify against him. They have already started to. He better start getting fitted for his jumpsuit.”

And you said this

“I don't think people are going to put up with the Donald much longer. Sure he has the support of the MAGA bunch and his cronies on Capitol Hill; but he's becoming increasingly unhinged. People associated with him are being hauled into court left and right, or sent to jail. Before election day I have a feeling he's going to be seen as a raving lunatic.”

And this

“And don't forget, if you're not MAGA you're probably not really a Christian either. You're a supporter of Satan and everything unholy.”

And this

“Well, there's a good possibility Trump won't even get on the ballot; we'll just have to let it play out and see what happens.”

I see no reason from your posts to think you know what you are doing or are in a position to judge others.
 

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The Greek word is Naos.

Vine's expository dictionary says this: is used of the inner part of the Temple in Jerusalem, in Mat 23:35, RV, "sanctuary."

It is referring to the holy place, the inner part. The Tabernacle also had the Naos, it does not have to be a temple built out of stone, the last one took 40 years to build.

The Bible says this all will take place in perilous times. You don't build a temple in a war zone. So no, this verse does not refer to the temple and saying it does is a mis translation. This verse refers to the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies that were within the temple but were also within the tabernacle.
However, there is a prophecy concerning the tabernacle of David -- Amos 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

From the context "that day" would seem to be the Great tribulation.
 

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The Greek word is Naos.

Vine's expository dictionary says this: is used of the inner part of the Temple in Jerusalem, in Mat 23:35, RV, "sanctuary."

It is referring to the holy place, the inner part. The Tabernacle also had the Naos, it does not have to be a temple built out of stone, the last one took 40 years to build.

The Bible says this all will take place in perilous times. You don't build a temple in a war zone. So no, this verse does not refer to the temple and saying it does is a mis translation. This verse refers to the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies that were within the temple but were also within the tabernacle.
Nope.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_thessalonians/2-4.htm

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/11.htm

THE Temple. Physical. Exact same terminology here.....

Rev 11:1
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

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Whereas THESE verses do NOT contain the definite article "HO". For reasons that are obvious.

2Co 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

1Co 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
 

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The Greek word is Naos.

Vine's expository dictionary says this: is used of the inner part of the Temple in Jerusalem, in Mat 23:35, RV, "sanctuary."

It is referring to the holy place, the inner part. The Tabernacle also had the Naos, it does not have to be a temple built out of stone, the last one took 40 years to build.

The Bible says this all will take place in perilous times. You don't build a temple in a war zone. So no, this verse does not refer to the temple and saying it does is a mis translation. This verse refers to the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies that were within the temple but were also within the tabernacle.
Conclusive buddy. And concatenates with 2Thess2:4 .....perfectly.
Third Temple aka tribulation Temple gonna inevitably be built? Yup. No doubt about it.
If in fact prophecy is to be fulfilled that is. Will it be? To the letter?

[Rev 11:1 KJV]
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

[Rev 11:2 KJV]
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

[Rev 11:3 KJV]
And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
 

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They should have fired him after the East Palestine Ohio train crash (which also effected PA as well) and then when they neglected to even visit them for weeks on end. I remember alot of the leftists claimed those people deserved it just because Ohio was deep red, but they really were foolish to forget that PA was affected too and PA was at that time reasonably a swing state that leaned towards them. The fact the democrat regime abandoned those people but Trump showed up for the people was a definitive watershed moment. When they then played the same spite game with the people of NC and FL after the hurricanes they reminded us of how they play. The left is as nasty as they are incompetent, they cannot be trusted with power for probably another decade, they're the party of neglect and abuse.
 

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I don't care if they are pardoned or not, they should all be released from prison.

As for pardoning them if the crime they were convicted of was trespassing, fine. If it was something else along the lines of treason or insurrection, then of course they should be pardoned.

Also, if exculpatory evidence was withheld during their trial a mistrial should be proclaimed and the record expunged.
Even the trespassing charges are bogus since the Capitol is public property and was in fact open to the public in Jan 6th for the public ceremony that has always historically been you know, public. This is that mischief of that wicked Merrick Garland and why he particularly sticks out in the regime as needing to go to prison. With the J6 protestors unless they committed a violent crime at the protest like assault, then they need to be pardoned and compensated to try to remove this stain of despotism from America.