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TMS

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As well as the 10 commandments hidden inside the gold-covered wooden ark. You really can't separate the tablets of stone from the ark that foreshadows Christ and the righteousness of God indwelling him

But now the righteousness of God apart from law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Romans 3:21-22
The shadow laws were nailed to the cross.

The laws of love are from the OT
Lev 19:18 ...., but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

And the 10 commandments are principles of love that apply today.

They are quoted in the NT many times and it is clear that they were not nailed to the cross.

Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments". We disagree on what these commandments are but the motive is clear and there is nothing wrong with obeying because you love someone.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

The devil is a deceiver and has done so for 6000 years plus. He wants to make the commandments of God void.

The commandments of God (which quotes one of the 10) are being made of none effect by the tradition of man again.

Traditions say the ten commandments are not valid.
But that is not what the Bible teaches.
 

SabbathBlessing

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The Holy Spirit and God's law are not in conflict with each other they work in tandem.

The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin John 16:8 for breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 if we hear His voice Heb 3:7-8
The Spirit resides in the individual who obeys His commandments, why its conditional


John 14:15 If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”
 

Aaron56

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God loves us no less today.
And if God gave Israel the simple law why can't He let us read it too.
Jesus is the perfect illustration of God's character and love. But that does not mean all the other illustrations are made void.
The stories in the OT are a testimony of God's character and love.
The law also reveals God's character and love.

Jesus does not make the law void..

Jesus perfectly kept it and tells us to obey it too.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Again, another straw man. You say something I didn't say and the defeat your own idea. :rolleyes:

That's okay. My post was for the spiritual believers not the carnal.
 

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How can you be so presumptuous to think that you can do something that Peter nor Paul could not do? They called the law an unbearable yoke of slavery.

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Acts 15:10-11
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Galatians 5:1-3

Acts 15:10-11 Why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.
 

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Acts 15:10-11 Why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.
Magenta, this verse was mostly about the circumcision, this was the difficulty for the gentiles, this verse should not be used to diminish the Law.
 

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Again, another straw man. You say something I didn't say and the defeat your own idea. :rolleyes:

That's okay. My post was for the spiritual believers not the carnal.
Aaron why do you judge.
We are both spiritual and flesh. it is why the commandments were given as a guide for us not to sin.
 

Aaron56

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Aaron why do you judge.
We are both spiritual and flesh. it is why the commandments were given as a guide for us not to sin.
We are commanded to judge righteously.

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." It's actually one of Jesus' commandments. Ironic that you missed it.

We are both spirit and flesh but that does not mean we are both spirit and carnal. Do you want to know the difference?
 
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Magenta, this verse was mostly about the circumcision, this was the difficulty for the gentiles, this verse should not be used to diminish the Law.
How in the world was circumcision a yoke that the Israelites couldn't bear? Did they get bad hack jobs and were sore for the rest of their lives?
 

Aaron56

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Magenta, this verse was mostly about the circumcision, this was the difficulty for the gentiles, this verse should not be used to diminish the Law.
Wrong.

Jesus used the same word "yoke" in this verse:

"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Peter, to address the need for circumcision among the gentile believers, said this:

"So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

So the Jews with the Law and the gentiles without the Law were purified by God in the same manner: by faith. The sign of this was "giving them the Holy Spirit". Not any outward work of the Law. Only that which God can give: The Holy Spirit.

Peter uses the same word Jesus used to describe a burden: yoke.

"Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"

So, if not the Law, then how are gentiles, or any people, saved? That's the next sentence:

"But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.

So they conclude the following:

"Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood."

That's it: abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

Then this is written:

"For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”


The carnal will say "See, this says they already know all the Law so the gentile believers should follow the law as they've heard it."

No, what they were saying was "The Law was read on every Jewish Sabbath and preached everywhere there were Jews. So let's get a succinct message to the gentiles so they are not convinced to take up the whole Law of the Jews."

So then that is what they wrote:

"Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law” to whom we gave no such commandment."


The letter continued:

"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well."

That's it. Those 4 things. God had already acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit. The disciples, knowing that, by the Holy Spirit, God could communicate with the gentile believers Spirit to spirit, gave them simple instructions. From study, we know that the instructions related to their cultural traditions. The elders at the council were helping the young believers.
 

Magenta

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How in the world was circumcision a yoke that the Israelites couldn't bear? Did they get bad hack jobs and were sore for the rest of their lives?
Yeah, I wondered the same thing and found it laughable he insisted it had to do with the
Gentile difficulty with circumcision when it plain as day is talking about the difficulty
the forefathers of Peter and the apostles had bearing the whole of the law.
 

SabbathBlessing

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No, what they were saying was "The Law was read on every Jewish Sabbath and preached everywhere there were Jews. So let's get a succinct message to the gentiles so they are not convinced to take up the whole Law of the Jews."

There is a reason we are told not to add to God's Word. Pro 30:5-6 There is no scripture that calls God's Sabbath, the "Jewish" Sabbath. The fact is the Sabbath continues on forever for all flesh i.e. God's saints Isa 66:23 and I am sure there won't be only Jews in God's eternal Kingdom, but will be for both Jew and Gentile those who are grafted in through faith who uphold God's law though love. 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6

God in His own Words He claimed the Sabbath as My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 that He said was made for mankind Mark 2:27 and everyone Isa 56:6

Either Acts 15 is a complete list of rules for Gentiles or its not, and I don't think anyone will be in heaven by not loving God with all their hearts minds and souls and not loving their neighbor which is not listed in Acts 15. So obviously people have a misunderstanding on this passage.