Understanding God’s election

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Rufus said:
As it is also silent on whether he had saving faith. But it's not silent on Adam being a type of Christ by contrasts, is it?

And while I have you here, here is another interesting little "factoid" about Adam being driven out of the Garden. He wasn't the only enemy of God who was driven out from the presence of God. Adam's firstborn son Cain was also driven out of the land of Eden by God (Gen 4:10-13). Talk about "like father, like son".
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That's certainly one take.
 
MeowFlower said:
I think the Bible focuses on Adam's son because it was by that one man din e tered the world.

However,God removed Adam and Eve from the garden before they could eat of the tree of life andi e forever in that sin. And though it doesn't say so in the words, Adam repented, we know he did and was forgiven because Adam and Eve had a long life and bore children by God's grace.
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I believe Adam did repent. It doesn't change the fact that the Bible doesn't say.
 
Magenta said:
Why do you place Cain in Eden in the first place? Identifying Nod as east of Eden does not mean Cain was
ever there. Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden before any of their children were born.
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Well...there's the land of Eden and there's the Garden that was in Eden. Adam was evicted from the latter, and there's nothing in Gen 3:21-4:16 to suggest that A&E left the land.

Also, if Cain and Abel weren't living in Eden, then why reference Eden in 4:16 with respect to where the land of Nod was? If they had been living in some other place other than Eden, it would have been more natural and logical to reference that place with respect to Nod.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Oh good grief. Where did this idea that Adam was some kind of neanderthal retard come from? He was the image of God.
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Nice...the Charlie Brown line of thought. While I believe Adam was redeemed, can you share from scripture where this is plainly and unequivocally stated?
 
Cameron143 said:
Nice...the Charlie Brown line of thought. While I believe Adam was redeemed, can you share from scripture where this is plainly and unequivocally stated?
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This includes his mind and spirit

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:26-27​
 
Cameron143 said:
I believe Adam did repent. It doesn't change the fact that the Bible doesn't say.
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Which is actually an irrational faith on your part...with all due respect. How can you believe something that isn't revealed in scripture? Where is your evidence?

Are you aware of the fact that after the Fall, there's not one text that teaches that Adam even acknowledged God, let alone repented and believed in him! And this stands in sharp contrast to Eve (Gen 4:1, 25). In fact, these two texts are great examples of the hermeneutical principle I stated earlier that says that every fact must be affirmed by at least two witnesses. Twice Eve acknowledged God and attributed her pregnancies to Him! But you'll be very hard-pressed to find any similar passages with regard to Adam.

And this brings me to a question about Eve: Do you believe that God saved Eve simply because that's what you want to believe or do you believe that God saved Eve based on various lines of biblical evidence (over & above 3:21)?
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
This includes his mind and spirit

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:26-27​
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The image of God was corrupted in Adam once he sinned.
 
MeowFlower said:
Perhaps you might read Isaiah 44. Paying attention to verse 24. Or, Colossians 1 and particularly verse 16.
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The Hebrew means "from the womb."

That means, God was molding that person's character from birth.

Isaiah 44:24 says, "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb,
I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth
abroad the earth by myself"

The King James did a good job in capturing the true meaning of the Hebrew.

"From the womb." Not meaning - In the womb. Meh beten = from the womb = birth!

God has been forming us as a potter forms the clay, from the time we have been born.
 
Rufus said:
Which is actually an irrational faith on your part...with all due respect. How can you believe something that isn't revealed in scripture? Where is your evidence?

Are you aware of the fact that after the Fall, there's not one text that teaches that Adam even acknowledged God, let alone repented and believed in him! And this stands in sharp contrast to Eve (Gen 4:1, 25). In fact, these two texts are great examples of the hermeneutical principle I stated earlier that says that every fact must be affirmed by at least two witnesses. Twice Eve acknowledged God and attributed her pregnancies to Him! But you'll be very hard-pressed to find any similar passages with regard to Adam.

And this brings me to a question about Eve: Do you believe that God saved Eve simply because that's what you want to believe or do you believe that God saved Eve based on various lines of biblical evidence (over & above 3:21)?
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I've already shared it with you. It didn't convince you. No problem. I'm never bothered when someone holds a differing view.
 
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