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I agree with Paul "no one is justified by the law" any law.
But you are doing exactly what I talked about... not understanding which law.
If you read the whole chapter you might see the clues...
the issue was with the Galatians trying to keep the law to be saved... but which law? The Jewish culture was very strong at that time. The gospel was going to the Gentiles from the a place where Israel culture and costumes were strong.
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Do you think the Galatians would have been in trouble for not lying not stealing, and not bowing down to graven images.
Keeping the 10 commandments would not have been classed as suffering in vain.
But keeping the ceremonial laws would have been vain.
The ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross and made void by Jesus.
They were a shadow pointing to the true saviour. The blood of lambs and goats have no power to save but the blood of Jesus is able to save by faith.
Faith vs works......
Gal 3:23-25 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
This is important to identify which law is being referred to.
Before Christ they were kept under the law... therefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring to Christ.
But after Christ is come we are no longer under the schoolmaster.
After Jesus came did the moral law about adultery, murder, stealing, and taking God's name in vain dissappear or become vain, or void. No. But the ceremonial laws did because Jesus was what they were all about. The schoolmaster was replaced by the real deal. By faith in Jesus we are saved, it would be vain to kill lambs as sin offering.
But you are doing exactly what I talked about... not understanding which law.
If you read the whole chapter you might see the clues...
the issue was with the Galatians trying to keep the law to be saved... but which law? The Jewish culture was very strong at that time. The gospel was going to the Gentiles from the a place where Israel culture and costumes were strong.
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Do you think the Galatians would have been in trouble for not lying not stealing, and not bowing down to graven images.
Keeping the 10 commandments would not have been classed as suffering in vain.
But keeping the ceremonial laws would have been vain.
The ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross and made void by Jesus.
They were a shadow pointing to the true saviour. The blood of lambs and goats have no power to save but the blood of Jesus is able to save by faith.
Faith vs works......
Gal 3:23-25 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
This is important to identify which law is being referred to.
Before Christ they were kept under the law... therefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring to Christ.
But after Christ is come we are no longer under the schoolmaster.
After Jesus came did the moral law about adultery, murder, stealing, and taking God's name in vain dissappear or become vain, or void. No. But the ceremonial laws did because Jesus was what they were all about. The schoolmaster was replaced by the real deal. By faith in Jesus we are saved, it would be vain to kill lambs as sin offering.
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The entire law of Moses as evidenced by the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. The trouble-making pharisee believers going to Galatia and telling gentile believers that they had to be circumcised and keep the whole law of Moses (ie become proselytes of righteousness) in order to be saved is what precipitated the Jerusalem council. There Peter said the pharisees were tempting God by trying to put the unbearable yoke of the law on gentile believers, and James, the head of the church, agreed and ruled that gentile believers were not required to observe the law of Moses, but should follow synagogue rules for proselytes of the gate (Acts 15;20). Paul called what the pharisees taught another gospel, which is what law keeping is
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9
And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. Acts 15:1-2
And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Acts 15:4-5
In marked contrast to such foolishness, those who are filled with the Spirit have no inclination to murder, lie, steal, etc. We glorify God first and have no need for other gods. We honour our parents. We have entered into the Sabbath-rest bought for us by Jesus' death. It's not a matter of "trying".
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I just read the 4 chapters in Galatians
Faith vs works of the law is a issue that Paul talks about continually
But in chapter 5 he tells them to not use liberty to do evil... Gal 5:13-14 13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:9-10 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Is Paul saying it is a curse to keep the 10 commandment law then latter says For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Which includes some of the 10.
Paul is contradicting himself if what your saying is true..
Read the context the law that Paul is referring to is circumcision.
Faith vs works of the law is a issue that Paul talks about continually
But in chapter 5 he tells them to not use liberty to do evil... Gal 5:13-14 13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:9-10 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Is Paul saying it is a curse to keep the 10 commandment law then latter says For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Which includes some of the 10.
Paul is contradicting himself if what your saying is true..
Read the context the law that Paul is referring to is circumcision.
You are correct in that the issue at hand was circumcision, but that issue served to illustrate the greater truth: Christians aren't under the Law, period!
Paul is not contradicting himself (or Jesus, for that matter) at all. It is not a curse to keep the commandments (the entire Law, not just the ten), but because we cannot keep them perfectly, we remain cursed. Jesus illustrated just how badly we fail to keep the commandments in His 'sermon on the mount'. He told the Jews to keep following the Law because that was the standing requirement. Upon His death and resurrection, the Law was made obsolete because "a new and living way" was opened.
It appears to me that your position is lacking the key concept of perfection. Only by keeping the Law perfectly do we avoid the penalty of breaking it, which is death. None of us has ever kept it perfectly. None of us ever could. God knew that, and so He wrote in provision for failure, which is animal sacrifice. The death of Jesus replaced animal sacrifice for all time. Trust in the atoning death and resurrection of Jesus is not a mere extension of the Sinai covenant, but a fundamentally different covenant. Our relationship with God is not built on ritual and carnal attempts to keep the righteous requirements of the Law, but rather on the basis that they have been fulfilled in Christ. We don't circumcise our little boys on the eighth day because under the new covenant, God does not require it. We don't go to a priest to have our acne examined. We don't stone adulterers. Our relationship with God is not maintained by following these ordinances. In fact, as Paul explains, if we are trying to "be perfect" by following the Law (imperfectly!), we are denying Christ.
Paul is not contradicting himself (or Jesus, for that matter) at all. It is not a curse to keep the commandments (the entire Law, not just the ten), but because we cannot keep them perfectly, we remain cursed. Jesus illustrated just how badly we fail to keep the commandments in His 'sermon on the mount'. He told the Jews to keep following the Law because that was the standing requirement. Upon His death and resurrection, the Law was made obsolete because "a new and living way" was opened.
It appears to me that your position is lacking the key concept of perfection. Only by keeping the Law perfectly do we avoid the penalty of breaking it, which is death. None of us has ever kept it perfectly. None of us ever could. God knew that, and so He wrote in provision for failure, which is animal sacrifice. The death of Jesus replaced animal sacrifice for all time. Trust in the atoning death and resurrection of Jesus is not a mere extension of the Sinai covenant, but a fundamentally different covenant. Our relationship with God is not built on ritual and carnal attempts to keep the righteous requirements of the Law, but rather on the basis that they have been fulfilled in Christ. We don't circumcise our little boys on the eighth day because under the new covenant, God does not require it. We don't go to a priest to have our acne examined. We don't stone adulterers. Our relationship with God is not maintained by following these ordinances. In fact, as Paul explains, if we are trying to "be perfect" by following the Law (imperfectly!), we are denying Christ.
The law points out sin
Sin = death.
The curse of the law is death...
We can not keep it to be saved or justified. So all of this applies to people that try to be saved by the keeping of the law. To remove Jesus and try to do it yourself = curse of death and condemnation. All have sinned....
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:
You can understand why paul is saying this... go back to Gal 2:16-
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
But are we at liberty to transgress the law because we are Justified by faith. ?
Is Paul saying we can transgress the law. ? Verse 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Paul is always clear that grace or faith in Jesus does not justify sin.
When you read it knowing that Paul is referring to legalism it doesn't matter which law it is always a curse.
But the 10 commandments are not removed.
Sin = death.
The curse of the law is death...
We can not keep it to be saved or justified. So all of this applies to people that try to be saved by the keeping of the law. To remove Jesus and try to do it yourself = curse of death and condemnation. All have sinned....
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:
You can understand why paul is saying this... go back to Gal 2:16-
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
But are we at liberty to transgress the law because we are Justified by faith. ?
Is Paul saying we can transgress the law. ? Verse 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Paul is always clear that grace or faith in Jesus does not justify sin.
When you read it knowing that Paul is referring to legalism it doesn't matter which law it is always a curse.
But the 10 commandments are not removed.
Yep.
(I could probably expound upon each sentence with a full page. This is just an outline.)
Remember: the Law was added because of transgressions. Christ actually returned us to a time of righteousness before the Law. This is how we, who are in Christ, are Abraham's seed.
"Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness."
Now, all who believe God are righteous before the Lord. This connects us with God's original intent for Adam: "listen to Me and live."
This is also why we are, in Christ, of the priesthood of Melchizedek and not of Levi/Moses.
“You (Christ) are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."
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"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people..."
The Levitical priesthood administered the Law. This was their specific administration. The priesthood of Melchizedek, hundreds of years before the Law, administered the covenant between the Son and the Father. This is why Melchizedek represented Christ: this is what priests of this order do: represent the Son as sons.
Christ returned us to this original priesthood before the Law was given. When a priest of God is representing the Lord in all things he or she is at sabbath rest; not doing his or her own work. Representation is a perpetual lifestyle and is available any day that is called "Today".
“Today, if you hear his voice..."
To claim that we are to "sabbath rest" 1/7 of our time is evil because it was a standard that has now been surpassed in Christ. This is like only giving 10% of our income when the Lord may ask us to give it all. This gives way to a life permissive of "our own labor". No, we have no labor of our own: we are slaves to Christ. He owns us in totality. He is our life and our existence.
A slave to the Law has no kingdom value compared to one who is a slave to Christ.
(I could probably expound upon each sentence with a full page. This is just an outline.)
Remember: the Law was added because of transgressions. Christ actually returned us to a time of righteousness before the Law. This is how we, who are in Christ, are Abraham's seed.
"Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness."
Now, all who believe God are righteous before the Lord. This connects us with God's original intent for Adam: "listen to Me and live."
This is also why we are, in Christ, of the priesthood of Melchizedek and not of Levi/Moses.
“You (Christ) are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."
and
"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people..."
The Levitical priesthood administered the Law. This was their specific administration. The priesthood of Melchizedek, hundreds of years before the Law, administered the covenant between the Son and the Father. This is why Melchizedek represented Christ: this is what priests of this order do: represent the Son as sons.
Christ returned us to this original priesthood before the Law was given. When a priest of God is representing the Lord in all things he or she is at sabbath rest; not doing his or her own work. Representation is a perpetual lifestyle and is available any day that is called "Today".
“Today, if you hear his voice..."
To claim that we are to "sabbath rest" 1/7 of our time is evil because it was a standard that has now been surpassed in Christ. This is like only giving 10% of our income when the Lord may ask us to give it all. This gives way to a life permissive of "our own labor". No, we have no labor of our own: we are slaves to Christ. He owns us in totality. He is our life and our existence.
A slave to the Law has no kingdom value compared to one who is a slave to Christ.
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Again, those who love God and man do not transgress the law of righteousness, 4th commandment included. You are stumbling at the stumbling stone and rock of offense. You do not attain the law of righteousness by following the law
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Romans 9:31-33
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Yes, and it was already promised that through Abraham's Seed (singular) that righteousness would come to all. Paul revealed that Christ is the fulfillment of that promise. The Law, then, was the schoolmaster of Abraham's natural lineage (the Jews) so that they could come to Christ safely.
The schoolmaster was not a teacher or a tutor (that's a bad translation). The schoolmaster simply gathered the children in the village and escorted them to the synagogue. He kept them safe until they arrived at their destination. The Law was like this: it set boundaries on the penalties of sin. Sin always resulted in the death of a man, as long as we know that death = separation from his Father but not all sin resulted in the physical death of man. The Law limited the penalties so that the natural lineage of Abraham would be preserved AND, in the fullness of time, produce the promised Son, the Redeemer of all.
The schoolmaster was not a teacher or a tutor (that's a bad translation). The schoolmaster simply gathered the children in the village and escorted them to the synagogue. He kept them safe until they arrived at their destination. The Law was like this: it set boundaries on the penalties of sin. Sin always resulted in the death of a man, as long as we know that death = separation from his Father but not all sin resulted in the physical death of man. The Law limited the penalties so that the natural lineage of Abraham would be preserved AND, in the fullness of time, produce the promised Son, the Redeemer of all.
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You are forbidden from entering the temple because you are a Gentile.
You cannot become a Levite priest because you are a Gentile.
You were never a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
You cannot marry a Jewish woman.
Your not allowed to be circumcised.
You were never under the law and it is a sin for you to be under the law.
Jesus was sent to the Jews only.
You are an alien to the covenants.
Have you read Exodus?
You cannot become a Levite priest because you are a Gentile.
You were never a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
You cannot marry a Jewish woman.
Your not allowed to be circumcised.
You were never under the law and it is a sin for you to be under the law.
Jesus was sent to the Jews only.
You are an alien to the covenants.
Have you read Exodus?
The forum is about the law.
The law given only to the nation of Israel and that is clear in the text.
You need the evidence from History, Archaeology, the text (O.T), to support your hypothesis.
You can't walk around claiming the Gentile nations were given the law. When the text
itself tells us only Israel was given the law.
That is why Paul states that the Jews are first and the Gentiles second.
That is why Jesus was a Jew.
It's all about the evidence and you need the evidence to win the case.
You cannot win the case by inference.
The law given only to the nation of Israel and that is clear in the text.
You need the evidence from History, Archaeology, the text (O.T), to support your hypothesis.
You can't walk around claiming the Gentile nations were given the law. When the text
itself tells us only Israel was given the law.
That is why Paul states that the Jews are first and the Gentiles second.
That is why Jesus was a Jew.
It's all about the evidence and you need the evidence to win the case.
You cannot win the case by inference.
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