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Your filthy works amount to nothing when it comes to Christ's righteousness.
I received Christ's righteousness as a gift and I boast in Christ only.
Any work I do is not worth a mention, in fact, I dare not detract from the glory
that belongs to Christ alone.
You are never righteous in yourself, on the basis of something you have done,
that is heresy.
I received Christ's righteousness as a gift and I boast in Christ only.
Any work I do is not worth a mention, in fact, I dare not detract from the glory
that belongs to Christ alone.
You are never righteous in yourself, on the basis of something you have done,
that is heresy.
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you invent things i never said, you do not know me at all .
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Faith Without Works Is Dead
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Read below.
Faith Without Works Is Dead
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Hey there,
The verse that was in question is in Romans 8.
Paul is contrasting walking in the spirit versus walking in the flesh (sin)
He said those who are walking in the flesh (the carnal mind) are not subject to the law of God.
Rom 8: 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
As we both know the Sabbath is a law of God. It's not on an island as many try to make, it is right in the middle of His law and one of the longest commandments. Found with the other commandments God personally wrote and spoke with His own finger placed inside the ark of the covenant also found in heaven Heb 9:4 Rev 11:19 Not nine, God wrote Ten
How I interpret this verse if we do not allow ourselves to be subject to God's law- allow Him to be God- allow Him to be King and every King has a government and every government has laws - God spoke and personally wrote His holy laws on stone and then wrote them in our hearts enabling us to keep through His Spirit John 14:15-18 through our love and cooperation.
Those who reject this according to Paul is the carnal mind. In the end we are either with Christ or by default, against. And Paul said those who do not subject themselves to God's law is an enmity against God.
Those who are walking in the spirit have life and peace Rom 8: 6 For to be [b]carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Life:
Mat 19:17 So He said to him, [a]“Why do you call Me good? [b]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Peace:
Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
Its why Paul tells us to test ourselves- Are we in the faith.2 Corinthians 13:5 Its why many believers will say Lord Lord, but Jesus says department from Me, those who practice lawlessness
If we have faith, we establish (keep) the law
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
The verse that was in question is in Romans 8.
Paul is contrasting walking in the spirit versus walking in the flesh (sin)
He said those who are walking in the flesh (the carnal mind) are not subject to the law of God.
Rom 8: 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
As we both know the Sabbath is a law of God. It's not on an island as many try to make, it is right in the middle of His law and one of the longest commandments. Found with the other commandments God personally wrote and spoke with His own finger placed inside the ark of the covenant also found in heaven Heb 9:4 Rev 11:19 Not nine, God wrote Ten
How I interpret this verse if we do not allow ourselves to be subject to God's law- allow Him to be God- allow Him to be King and every King has a government and every government has laws - God spoke and personally wrote His holy laws on stone and then wrote them in our hearts enabling us to keep through His Spirit John 14:15-18 through our love and cooperation.
Those who reject this according to Paul is the carnal mind. In the end we are either with Christ or by default, against. And Paul said those who do not subject themselves to God's law is an enmity against God.
Those who are walking in the spirit have life and peace Rom 8: 6 For to be [b]carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Life:
Mat 19:17 So He said to him, [a]“Why do you call Me good? [b]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Peace:
Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
Its why Paul tells us to test ourselves- Are we in the faith.2 Corinthians 13:5 Its why many believers will say Lord Lord, but Jesus says department from Me, those who practice lawlessness
If we have faith, we establish (keep) the law
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
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HERE IS WHAT JESUS SAID YOU DO TO BE SAVED;
Christ Lives and is coming back soon, Paul died about 2000 years ago, Why do you follow a dead man, Why not follow Christ the son of the living GOD one with GOD?
It is Jesus who will judge us all not paul. Just remember this.
17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”
20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”
21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Jesus addresses the man’s question by explaining the importance of following God's commandments. Jesus is the only way to eternal life Not paul18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’”
20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”
21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Christ Lives and is coming back soon, Paul died about 2000 years ago, Why do you follow a dead man, Why not follow Christ the son of the living GOD one with GOD?
It is Jesus who will judge us all not paul. Just remember this.
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To add, we do not become carnally minded by stumbling and falling, we all do, but a righteous man will get back up even if the stumbles a thousand times and continue asking God for His help in overcoming and has a sorry heart and wants to obey Him. God is longsuffering and longs to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness and turn to Him for His righteousness as He overcome and we can through Him. This is referring to those who flat out reject God's law- any part of it because breaking one commandment we break them all James 2:10-12 and when we turn to what we feel is right or wrong, what we feel is truth, we rely on our works and not God's Exo 32:16 we in essence are making ourselves our own god instead of placing our faith in the true God, trust that He knows what's best for us, even if it doesn't always make sense to us, because He said so.
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What law is Paul referring to? The same law he spoke of in several letters because the Jews were making Gentiles become circumcised to be saved. Acts 15:1 Gal 2:3 The same law he is referring to here if we read in context
Phil 3:4 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, (of circumcision) a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
We do not receive righteousness by the law of circumcision, or any law, we receive righteousness by faith through Christ.
If we have faith, do we void the law?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
This is where understanding the different laws - the Ten Commandments- written by God- God's perfect law converting the soul compared to the book of the law- handwritten by Moses in a book placed outside the ark as a witness against for breaking the Ten Commandments.
All of God's commandments are righteousness Psa 119:172 but we don't receive righteousness through the law, we receive in through Christ. Only He is the one who has ever been able to obey the law and if we have a right relationship with Him, submitting to His will and the way He lived- for our example, He is the one enabling us to obey Him Rev 14:15-30 we just have to cooperate with Him. If we don't subject ourselves to God's law, that is not the way to do this Rom 8:7-8 because we then are rejecting His righteousness. Psa 119:172. Jesus can't sin and break the law, He kept the Sabbath and had He not He would of sinned. We need Jesus and walk as He did and submit ourselves to Him to receive His righteousness, Our disobedience to His law is not the path that leads us there.
Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
Phil 3:4 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, (of circumcision) a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
We do not receive righteousness by the law of circumcision, or any law, we receive righteousness by faith through Christ.
If we have faith, do we void the law?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
This is where understanding the different laws - the Ten Commandments- written by God- God's perfect law converting the soul compared to the book of the law- handwritten by Moses in a book placed outside the ark as a witness against for breaking the Ten Commandments.
All of God's commandments are righteousness Psa 119:172 but we don't receive righteousness through the law, we receive in through Christ. Only He is the one who has ever been able to obey the law and if we have a right relationship with Him, submitting to His will and the way He lived- for our example, He is the one enabling us to obey Him Rev 14:15-30 we just have to cooperate with Him. If we don't subject ourselves to God's law, that is not the way to do this Rom 8:7-8 because we then are rejecting His righteousness. Psa 119:172. Jesus can't sin and break the law, He kept the Sabbath and had He not He would of sinned. We need Jesus and walk as He did and submit ourselves to Him to receive His righteousness, Our disobedience to His law is not the path that leads us there.
Rom 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
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Circumcision is not the law; it is a commandment in the law. Pharisees were telling gentile believers that they had to join the old covenant by becoming circumcised and keeping the whole law
Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Galatians 5:2-4
Peter warned them that they were tempting God, like you're doing, by trying to bring them under bondage to the yoke of the lawNow therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Acts 15:10-11
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Circumcision is in the law of Moses written in the book of the law Deut 31:24-26, not the law of God, the Ten Commandments. Exo 20. There is nothing about circumcision in the Ten Commandments. You can see for yourself in Exodus 20
Please read Acts 15:1 to see the law Acts 15:10-11 is referring to. Not Sabbath-keeping because they were keeping every Sabbath Act 15:21 if that's the "law" you are trying to connect it to. So were the gentiles Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44
Acts 15:And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
Not referring to any of the commandments of God. Paul contrasts these laws and said keeping the commandments of God is what matters 1 Cor 7:19 Jesus warned not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30
But we have free will
Please read Acts 15:1 to see the law Acts 15:10-11 is referring to. Not Sabbath-keeping because they were keeping every Sabbath Act 15:21 if that's the "law" you are trying to connect it to. So were the gentiles Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44
Acts 15:And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
Not referring to any of the commandments of God. Paul contrasts these laws and said keeping the commandments of God is what matters 1 Cor 7:19 Jesus warned not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30
But we have free will
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There are separate and distinct laws as shown by clear scripture by God. Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 nothing more was added to the Ten Commandments Deut 5:22 if you think you know better that's not something you will need to work out with me. God wrote and God spoke His perfect law. Psa 19:7 no greater Authority,
The law of Moses included the law of God, because God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12- His version. One law is sin when breaking the other law was added because of sin. Different laws that serve different purposes.
The law of Moses included the law of God, because God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12- His version. One law is sin when breaking the other law was added because of sin. Different laws that serve different purposes.
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Exodus 34:1 And the LORD said to Moses, “Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke.
Exodus 34:28 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Same commandments.
God gave Moses other laws written by Moses, but were separated from God's law- the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 34:28 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Same commandments.
God gave Moses other laws written by Moses, but were separated from God's law- the Ten Commandments.
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Thats was never the argument as said, there was the Ten Commandments and the laws written by Moses in a book Deut 31:24-26. The Ten Commandments was not added because of transgression, it is what sin is when breaking 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 James 2:10-12
Why it was a sin for Cain to murder Abel. Where there is no law there is no transgression Rom 4:15. The only law that deals with thou shalt not murder is in the Ten Commandments God laws that defines sin when breaking written by God personally. His standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 His perfect law converting the soul Psa 19:7
Why it was a sin for Cain to murder Abel. Where there is no law there is no transgression Rom 4:15. The only law that deals with thou shalt not murder is in the Ten Commandments God laws that defines sin when breaking written by God personally. His standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 His perfect law converting the soul Psa 19:7
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Deuteronomy 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone
God instead of deleting His law wrote it in our hearts, went from tables of stone to tablet of the heart and He is the one doing, if we cooperate with Him. John 14:15-18
According to Jesus no one is walking in the spirit of the law by breaking the letter. Jesus related our thoughts and feelings to breaking the Ten Commandments and said He doesn't even want thoughts that lead to breaking them and in doing so one would be sinning and in fear of Judgement Mat 5:19-30
God instead of deleting His law wrote it in our hearts, went from tables of stone to tablet of the heart and He is the one doing, if we cooperate with Him. John 14:15-18
According to Jesus no one is walking in the spirit of the law by breaking the letter. Jesus related our thoughts and feelings to breaking the Ten Commandments and said He doesn't even want thoughts that lead to breaking them and in doing so one would be sinning and in fear of Judgement Mat 5:19-30
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I don't need luck, I have Jesus. Was Jim Tour's thoughts not good enough? I agree with him 100%.
I've been born again over 50 years. I have never observed the Sabbath according to the Old Testament. I was saved while I was in the military. They expected me to show up for duty whatever time of day or night, I worked every Saturday while at sea and for one hour on every Sunday. One time I worked at least 12 hours a day for 3 weeks straight. It was during the Vietnam war. I had no choice in the matter. Did God condemn me for that? Not that I noticed.
I believe that everyone needs a day of rest once a week. What day is not important. The Sabbath was made for man, as Jesus said. We are not machines. Every day is the Lord's day for me. I am blessed abundantly, more than I ever imagined possible. Jesus is my Lord and my Life. No Law can either add to that or take away from it.
I've been born again over 50 years. I have never observed the Sabbath according to the Old Testament. I was saved while I was in the military. They expected me to show up for duty whatever time of day or night, I worked every Saturday while at sea and for one hour on every Sunday. One time I worked at least 12 hours a day for 3 weeks straight. It was during the Vietnam war. I had no choice in the matter. Did God condemn me for that? Not that I noticed.
I believe that everyone needs a day of rest once a week. What day is not important. The Sabbath was made for man, as Jesus said. We are not machines. Every day is the Lord's day for me. I am blessed abundantly, more than I ever imagined possible. Jesus is my Lord and my Life. No Law can either add to that or take away from it.
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