the Sabbath

[Magenta]

Galatians 5:14, Ecclesiastes 12:13, Romans 13:10b The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

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Galatians 5:14, Ecclesiastes 12:13, Romans 13:10b The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law

 

[Magenta]

Do you not believe that God blessed those who obey and those who don't end up cursed? God cannot lie, which is why we see what He promises at the end of time Rev 22:14-15


For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Galatians 3:10-11

So how in your own words what is Paul saying in this verse any different than what was stated in my post. It actually proves my point.

What laws are written in the "book of the law" that Paul is saying we are not justified by. How does someone in faith live- by being obedient to what God says or disobedient?

What is the definition of love to God and what commandments summarize love to our neighbor? Or do you feel thats up to each individual, we can choose our own definition.

Please use scripture to prove your answers, Disagreeing with someone because you do not like what the verses say is not a good argument.

You should stop being dishonest by pretending I don't use Scripture.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You should stop being dishonest by pretending I don't use Scripture.

I never once said you didn't use scripture- I asked you to use scripture to answer the questions I asked.

Do you care to show which commandments fulfill love and does that mean we are breaking them or keeping them. People seem to use it as a case not to obey them for some strange reason, when its not what it means.

 

[Magenta]

I never once said you didn't use scripture- I asked you to use scripture to answer the questions I asked.

Do you care to show which commandments fulfill love and does that mean we are breaking them or keeping them. People seem to use it as a case not to obey them for some strange reason, when its not what it means.

Asking me to use Scripture instead of just giving my opinion is definitely you telling me that I don't use Scripture so stop being dishonest. We go over the same points again and again and again and nothing changes regardless of ALL the Scripture verses people give you. Telling us people are teaching lawlessness is a lie also. Keeping the Sabbath was never given as a commandment in the New testament. Somehow you have confused or blended the new and old covenants and think you are good when you're not. Perhaps you are a Jew and feel you have to keep the law but then you turn around and say Christ fulfilled some of the law so you don't have to keep those laws... well guess what????? Christ fulfilled all of the laws. If you do not know that that is written in the Bible I can't help you and I can't look it up right now either because if I navigate away from this page I lose the post. I'm on my phone.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

the works of the law Paul is referring to is circumcision to be saved

Becoming circumcised required one to keep the whole law, thereby falling from grace and nullifying the work of Christ. Are there any spiritually duller people than sabbatarians who can't understand the plain wording of scripture?

Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Galatians 5:2-4​

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Becoming circumcised required one to keep the whole law, thereby falling from grace and nullifying the work of Christ. Are there any spiritually duller people than sabbatarians who can't understand the plain wording of scripture?

Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Galatians 5:2-4​

He is referring to the book of the law, not the law that we should only worship God or any of the Ten Commandments- they are completely different laws. The law Paul is referring to is circumcision as seen by the context Gal 2:3,7,8,9,12, Gal 5:2,6,11 Gal 6:12,13,15. Circumcision is not part of the Ten Commandments, it is part of the law of Moses, written in the book

God's law is perfect Psa 19:7 our perfect Savior could not write and imperfect law. Paul often just uses the word "law" but we need to understand the differences between the laws. The law that is perfect for converting the soul never becomes the law that is contrary and against. Deut 31:24-26

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

God's law is perfect Psa 19:7 our perfect Savior could not write and imperfect law. Paul often just uses the word "law" but we need to understand the differences between the laws. The law that is perfect for converting the soul never becomes the law that is contrary and against. Deut 31:24-26

Imperfect priesthood with a weak law. The law was only brought in to condemn Christ, thereby removing sin forever, God's commandment is eternal life. Believe it and be saved

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Hebrews 7:11-12​

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For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. Hebrews 7:19​

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For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3​

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Imperfect priesthood with a weak law. The law was only brought in to condemn Christ, thereby removing sin forever, God's commandment is eternal life. Believe it and be saved

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Hebrews 7:11-12​

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For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. Hebrews 7:19​

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For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3​

The Ten Commandments is the law that defines what sin is when breaking 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30

The law of Moses, with the earthy priesthood and animal sacrifices is the law that was added as a prescription for transgressing God;s law until Jesus came. Heb 10:1-22 Heb 9:9-14

The law being referred to in Heb7 is the law on the priesthood because the law said it had to come from the tribe of Levi and Jesus came from the tribe of Judah so in order for Jesus to be our High Priest, the priesthood law had to change, not the law that we can now worship other gods, steal, or break the least of these that defines sin. It was week because the priesthood was based on man, in the New Covenant, the better promise is Jesus is now our High Priest so instead of sacrificing animals for sin- breaking God's law- we can go directly to Jesus when we repent and confess our sins. His blood can cleanse us of all unrighteousness and when He heals He says Go and sin no more. Meaning God and keep the commandments as sin is the transgression of His law. Sin didn't change, just how they are forgiven has changed.



Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For [d]He testifies:

“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, (of the Levitical priesthood, the context)19 for the law made nothing [e]perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:

“The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
‘You are a priest [f]forever
According to the order of Melchizedek’ ”),
22 by so much more Jesus has become a [g]surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save [h]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, [i]harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

The bible is not meant to be read, it is meant to be prayerfully studied and context is so important. There is a real spiritual war out there and the devil is doing everything in his power to lead people astray. God's Word is to be the light to our path Psa 119:105 and while its easy to listen to popular teachings of man, if it doesn't line up with the bible its dangerous. Only God's Truth sets us free. Every time we start believing a lie its puts us in the devils captivity.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The law being referred to in Heb7 is the law on the priesthood because the law said it had to come from the tribe of Levi and Jesus came from the tribe of Judah so in order for Jesus to be our High Priest, the priesthood law had to change, not the law that we can now worship other gods, steal, or break the least of these that defines sin. It was week because the priesthood was based on man, in the New Covenant, the better promise is Jesus is now our High Priest so instead of sacrificing animals for sin- breaking God's law- we can go directly to Jesus when we repent and confess our sins. His blood can cleanse us of all unrighteousness and when He heals He says Go and sin no more. Meaning God and keep the commandments as sin is the transgression of His law. Sin didn't change, just how they are forgiven has changed.

All of the law came through the tribe of Levi, the 10 commandments included, because Moses was a Levite. The whole law had to change because it was weak through man's flesh. It demanded righteousness, but had no power to make man righteous because it's purpose is to condemn unrighteousness.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

All of the law came through the tribe of Levi, the 10 commandments included, because Moses was a Levite. The whole law had to change because it was weak through man's flesh. It demanded righteousness, but had no power to make man righteous because it's purpose is to condemn unrighteousness.

No, two different laws

There is a law that defines sin and one that was added because of sin, different laws that serve different purposes.

The Ten Commandments came from God written by God's finger placed inside the ark of the covenant

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

no more was added to the Ten Commandments
Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

The law of Moses came from Moses placed outside the ark of the covenant that contained the curses for breaking God's holy and eternal law, the Ten Commandments

Deut 31: 24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

God did not leave it up to man to write His holy and perfect law- He wrote it Himself and after speaking the Ten Commandments, He added no more to it Deut 5:22 and write it personally on stone with His own finger, its a standalone unit. Perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 written by our perfect Savior.

The purpose of the Ten Commandments is so we can see our sin

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Romans 3:20 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

The commandments are so we are not depending on our own version of right or wrong doing (righteousness) but on God's

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word,
For all Your commandments are righteousness.

And His righteousness is everlasting

Psa 119:142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
And Your law is truth.

Basically the law shows we are dirty (sinners) and shows our need for Jesus, a Savior to save us from our sins. Which requires us to repent and have a change of direction.

You take away God's law, there is no need for grace, and if we have no need for grace then we have no need for a Savior, if we have no need for a Savior than we are all lost.

 

[Inquisitor]

The phrase "repent" is a central part of Jesus' message in the Gospels, and He uses it multiple times to call people to turn from sin and return to God. Below are the key instances where Jesus Himself uses the word "repent" in the King James Version of the Bible.

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 11:20
Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:

Matthew 12:41
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."**
(This verse includes a concept closely tied to repentance — a complete turning and transformation.)

Mark 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mark 6:12
And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 10:13
Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Luke 13:3
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Luke 13:5
tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Luke 15:7
say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Luke 15:10
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

Luke 17:3-4
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 3:19 (Though spoken by Peter, Jesus' message of repentance is carried on through His disciples)
repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Unfortunately as I feared, you have forgotten the words of Christ and follow someone else, you refuse the words of Jesus the son of God about repentance, one of the main themes in the Gospel of Jesus that you have truly forgotten!

This verse below that you quoted is what the gospel is for.

Mark 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

To be saved you need to believe in Jesus.

Turn (repent) and believe in Jesus.

Romans 10:9-10
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him
from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness,
and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Your definitely opposing the simple gospel of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

 

[Inquisitor]

No, two different laws

There is a law that defines sin and one that was added because of sin, different laws that serve different purposes.

The Ten Commandments came from God written by God's finger placed inside the ark of the covenant

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

no more was added to the Ten Commandments
Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

The law of Moses came from Moses placed outside the ark of the covenant that contained the curses for breaking God's holy and eternal law, the Ten Commandments

Deut 31: 24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

God did not leave it up to man to write His holy and perfect law- He wrote it Himself and after speaking the Ten Commandments, He added no more to it Deut 5:22 and write it personally on stone with His own finger, its a standalone unit. Perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 written by our perfect Savior.

The purpose of the Ten Commandments is so we can see our sin

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Romans 3:20 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

The commandments are so we are not depending on our own version of right or wrong doing (righteousness) but on God's

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word,
For all Your commandments are righteousness.

And His righteousness is everlasting

Psa 119:142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
And Your law is truth.

Basically the law shows we are dirty (sinners) and shows our need for Jesus, a Savior to save us from our sins. Which requires us to repent and have a change of direction.

You take away God's law, there is no need for grace, and if we have no need for grace then we have no need for a Savior, if we have no need for a Savior than we are all lost.

The Gentiles never had the law and they were still guilty before God.

Romans 2:12
For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law.

You don't need the letter of the law to know what is right and wrong.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The Gentiles never had the law and they were still guilty before God.

Romans 2:12
For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law.

You don't need the letter of the law to know what is right and wrong.

Jer 19:7 “The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?

Why we need to depend on God for everything, including obeying what He deems is righteous Psa 119:172 instead of what we feel is right or wrong

 

[vassal]

Asking me to use Scripture instead of just giving my opinion is definitely you telling me that I don't use Scripture so stop being dishonest. We go over the same points again and again and again and nothing changes regardless of ALL the Scripture verses people give you. Telling us people are teaching lawlessness is a lie also. Keeping the Sabbath was never given as a commandment in the New testament. Somehow you have confused or blended the new and old covenants and think you are good when you're not. Perhaps you are a Jew and feel you have to keep the law but then you turn around and say Christ fulfilled some of the law so you don't have to keep those laws... well guess what????? Christ fulfilled all of the laws. If you do not know that that is written in the Bible I can't help you and I can't look it up right now either because if I navigate away from this page I lose the post. I'm on my phone.

Magenta again and again we turn in circles

The Sabbath was given as a COMMAND it is one of the 10 Commandments, to say otherwise is contrary to scripture did you ever read the commandments Given to us by GOD, repeated by Jesus? ( IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS) You obstinately stick to your false doctrine and will not admit you are wrong. I have never meat someone as obstinate as you. You are a false teacher I can prove this right now here it is;

This verse below shows clearly the importance of measuring all teachings against the law and the Word of God comes from Deuteronomy 4:2, where God explicitly instructs His people not to add to or take away from His Word:

"You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." (Deuteronomy 4:2, NKJV)​

This verse makes it clear that God's Word is complete and authoritative, and any teaching or instruction must be in harmony with the commandments He has already given. The law (God's revealed Word) serves as the standard against which all other teachings are tested.

your words about the sabbath by taking away the sabbath from the commandments of GOD proves without a doubt you are a false teacher.

 

[vassal]

This verse below that you quoted is what the gospel is for.

Mark 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

To be saved you need to believe in Jesus.

Turn (repent) and believe in Jesus.

Romans 10:9-10
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him
from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness,
and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Your definitely opposing the simple gospel of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Believing in Jesus certainly but also do his will and follow him not simply believing.

Please do read James he will explain what i just wrote in great detail and James is clear and easy to understand, you can't miss.

Blessings.

 

[SaysWhat]

15: But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16) which is any of the commandments 1 John 2:4

If we have faith in Jesus we would follow His teachings and do them. James 1:22

most of these God requires you to put that person to death, as stated in the old testament.

 

[SaysWhat]

Magenta again and again we turn in circles

The Sabbath was given as a COMMAND it is one of the 10 Commandments, to say otherwise is contrary to scripture did you ever read the commandments Given to us by GOD, repeated by Jesus? ( IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS) You obstinately stick to your false doctrine and will not admit you are wrong. I have never meat someone as obstinate as you. You are a false teacher I can prove this right now here it is;

This verse below shows clearly the importance of measuring all teachings against the law and the Word of God comes from Deuteronomy 4:2, where God explicitly instructs His people not to add to or take away from His Word:

"You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." (Deuteronomy 4:2, NKJV)​

This verse makes it clear that God's Word is complete and authoritative, and any teaching or instruction must be in harmony with the commandments He has already given. The law (God's revealed Word) serves as the standard against which all other teachings are tested.

your words about the sabbath by taking away the sabbath from the commandments of GOD proves without a doubt you are a false teacher.

That includes killing people who break commandments of the OT.

You are a false teacher if you don't avacate killing commandment breakers plain and simple. And you should help with the execution.

 

[SaysWhat]

Even just gathering wood in your area on a Sabbath throw him in the shredder. Just arresting the person isn't good enough.

Numbers 15
32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day.

33 Those who found the man gathering wood brought him to Moses, Aaron, and the whole congregation,

34 and because it had not been declared what should be done to him, they placed him in custody.

35 And the LORD said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death. The whole congregation is to stone him outside the camp.”

36 So the whole congregation took the man outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD had commanded Moses.

 

[Pasifika]

Do you not believe that God blessed those who obey and those who don't end up cursed? God cannot lie, which is why we see what He promises at the end of time Rev 22:14-15


For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Galatians 3:10-11

So how in your own words what is Paul saying in this verse any different than what was stated in my post. It actually proves my point.

What laws are written in the "book of the law" that Paul is saying we are not justified by. How does someone who lives by faith live- by being obedient to what God says or disobedient?

What is the definition of love to God and what commandments summarize love to our neighbor? Or do you feel thats up to each individual, we can choose our own definition.

Please use scripture to prove your answers, Disagreeing with someone because you do not like what the verses say is not a good argument.

Do you obey all God's commandments or just one? As it says, "if you Love me keep my commandments"..

 

[SaysWhat]

Sabbath keepers without practicing the whole law is the tradition of men, because they are not willing to do the whole law from the old testament. Just as the Pharisees were doing, splitting the law to please themselves. Jesus mentions the commandment and judgment that should be obeyed. Of course this is just pointing out the hypocrisy of the Pharisees.

Matthew 15
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?

4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’

5 But you say that if anyone says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever you would have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’

6 he need not honor his father or mother with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.