Understanding God’s election
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Salvation has never changed and I apologize if I suggested that any group is superior to another. Just because the OT doesn't disclose the full picture of salvation doesn't mean salvation hasn't always been by grace through faith. No one can belong to Christ apart from being a partaker of the Spirit.
So...this begs the question: did Abraham belong to Christ? Of course he did. Was he saved by grace through faith? Yup. Was faith the result of God speaking to him? Sure was. Same as anyone today. He was indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
In order for the other people and groups you mentioned to be saved is that God gave revelation of Himself to them. This is always the case when salvation occurs.
So...this begs the question: did Abraham belong to Christ? Of course he did. Was he saved by grace through faith? Yup. Was faith the result of God speaking to him? Sure was. Same as anyone today. He was indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
In order for the other people and groups you mentioned to be saved is that God gave revelation of Himself to them. This is always the case when salvation occurs.
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That right. And everyone in the world has the Bible which is all the revelation they need.
The Canaanites ALSO had documentary evidence BTW. And testimony.
As did Pharaoh. HE KNEW about Abraham, Issac, Jacob and Joseph. HE KNEW that they were Gods elect priests.
And God reminded him.
And "firstborn" son is a title. Jacob traded stew for it.
[Exo 4:22 KJV]
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel [is] my son, [even] my firstborn:
[Exo 4:23 KJV]
And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, [even] thy firstborn.
The Canaanites ALSO had documentary evidence BTW. And testimony.
As did Pharaoh. HE KNEW about Abraham, Issac, Jacob and Joseph. HE KNEW that they were Gods elect priests.
And God reminded him.
And "firstborn" son is a title. Jacob traded stew for it.
[Exo 4:22 KJV]
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel [is] my son, [even] my firstborn:
[Exo 4:23 KJV]
And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, [even] thy firstborn.
Understanding God’s election
This is one of the most Misunderstood word in scripture -----
People ---God had a plan before He Created this earth ---that plan was to incarnate His Son to walk this earth and become the ultimate Sacrificial Lamb to free all people of all Sin for all time ----- Past --present and future Sins are forgiven for All people -----God does not just Elect--( choose ) some to be saved and others not to be saved -----
That is not what this word elect means -----we were all elected to be adopted back into God's family through Jesus Christ ---before God Created this world and us Humans -----that was in His plan -----
Ephesians 1:4-6
Common English Bible
4 God chose us in Christ to be holy and blameless in God’s presence before the creation of the world.
5 God destined us to be his adopted children through Jesus Christ because of his love. This was according to his goodwill and plan
6 and to honor his glorious grace that he has given to us freely through the Son whom he loves.
God does not show Favoritism ---
The greek word for Elect
Eklektos
ek-lek-tos'
Parts of Speech Adjective
Eklektos Definition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 22
How does one become a Christian ----accept Christ -----we have free will to Choose to Accept Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross --or Refuse Jesus Christ and what he did on the Cross ----
That is our choice ---God elected ALL People to come back into His Family by our receiving Salvation and it is there for us ---we are the ones who choose to be in the elected or chosen or not to be -----
God wants Everyone Saved
Not all people choose to be saved ------the Elect are God's Saints who have personally chosen to accept His Salvation offer -----
God Knows our Hearts and knows who's heart will be receptive to His Gospel ----and God allows the people who's hearts are hardened toward Him and His Word to have their way ----God does not Force people to come to Him ----we have free will to Choose LIFE or DEATH -----
This is one of the most Misunderstood word in scripture -----
People ---God had a plan before He Created this earth ---that plan was to incarnate His Son to walk this earth and become the ultimate Sacrificial Lamb to free all people of all Sin for all time ----- Past --present and future Sins are forgiven for All people -----God does not just Elect--( choose ) some to be saved and others not to be saved -----
That is not what this word elect means -----we were all elected to be adopted back into God's family through Jesus Christ ---before God Created this world and us Humans -----that was in His plan -----
Ephesians 1:4-6
Common English Bible
4 God chose us in Christ to be holy and blameless in God’s presence before the creation of the world.
5 God destined us to be his adopted children through Jesus Christ because of his love. This was according to his goodwill and plan
6 and to honor his glorious grace that he has given to us freely through the Son whom he loves.
God does not show Favoritism ---
- Deuteronomy 10:17: "For the Lord your God is the God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, mighty, and awe-inspiring God, showing no partiality and taking no bribe"
- Ephesians 6:9: "There is no favoritism with him"
- Romans 2:11: "For there is no favoritism with God"
The greek word for Elect
Eklektos
ek-lek-tos'
Parts of Speech Adjective
Eklektos Definition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 22
- picked out, chosen
- chosen by God,
- to obtain salvation through Christ ---Christians are called "chosen or elect" of God
- chosen by God,
How does one become a Christian ----accept Christ -----we have free will to Choose to Accept Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross --or Refuse Jesus Christ and what he did on the Cross ----
That is our choice ---God elected ALL People to come back into His Family by our receiving Salvation and it is there for us ---we are the ones who choose to be in the elected or chosen or not to be -----
God wants Everyone Saved
Not all people choose to be saved ------the Elect are God's Saints who have personally chosen to accept His Salvation offer -----
God Knows our Hearts and knows who's heart will be receptive to His Gospel ----and God allows the people who's hearts are hardened toward Him and His Word to have their way ----God does not Force people to come to Him ----we have free will to Choose LIFE or DEATH -----
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that’s what this about
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
John 3:3, 5-6
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( the sinner dies ) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.( the child of God is born n Christ ) knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-4, 6-7
this leads into a necassary behavioral change
“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. ( we have to stop serving sin )
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: ( stop letting sin control our actions ) but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. ( and choose to start serving God with our actions )
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. ( we don’t have the excuse we’re just sinners anymore if we’re born again can’t be new and also still the old )
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. ( is it okay for us to sin now because of grace ? By no means )
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
( we can choose to yield to and obey sin or obedience )
whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, ( we used to be just sinners lost not capable ) but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
Romans 6:12-18 KJV
But through obeying the truth of the gospel we are made free from sins power to control us and dominate us as before the sinner dies with Christ . It’s not freedom from doing what’s right but freedom from sins power over us our deeds ll determine the end
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
John 3:3, 5-6
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( the sinner dies ) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.( the child of God is born n Christ ) knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-4, 6-7
this leads into a necassary behavioral change
“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. ( we have to stop serving sin )
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: ( stop letting sin control our actions ) but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. ( and choose to start serving God with our actions )
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. ( we don’t have the excuse we’re just sinners anymore if we’re born again can’t be new and also still the old )
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. ( is it okay for us to sin now because of grace ? By no means )
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
( we can choose to yield to and obey sin or obedience )
whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, ( we used to be just sinners lost not capable ) but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
Romans 6:12-18 KJV
But through obeying the truth of the gospel we are made free from sins power to control us and dominate us as before the sinner dies with Christ . It’s not freedom from doing what’s right but freedom from sins power over us our deeds ll determine the end
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I don't believe in freewill either. An individual's will is subject to some nature. One is either a slave to sin or set free by Christ, who is then one's new Master.
Because we are all in Adam, we all begin as slaves to sin. Read Ephesians 2:1-3 to see what that looks like. This is what necessitates salvation.
Because we are all in Adam, we all begin as slaves to sin. Read Ephesians 2:1-3 to see what that looks like. This is what necessitates salvation.
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