Understanding God’s election

[homwardbound]

OK, how about commenting on the election Scriptures?

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Yes, according to the Bible, God's elect are chosen through Jesus Christ:

• Ephesians 1:3–6
  God's blessings are linked to the Son in several ways, including being chosen "in him" and adopted "through Jesus Christ".
  
  
  
• John 3:36
  God says, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life".
  
  
  
• 1 John 5:10
  God says, "Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself".
  
  
  
• Ephesians 1:13, 2:8-9
  God saved people individually when they believed the gospel message.
  
  

The doctrine of election is found in both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible. It's based on the idea that God chose to save some people from the human race after they fell into sin. God's choice was made in accordance with his will and purpose, and was something he delighted in.

• Pastoral Thoughts on the Doctrine of Election - Desiring God
  Nov 30, 2003 — Ephesians 1:3 says, "[God] chose us in [Christ] before the foundation of the world." In other words, when God planned ...
  
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• Chosen by God - The Biblical Basis for Election - Faith Church
  May 4, 2021 — In fact, it is something found in many different places in Scripture (unless otherwise noted, all quotes are from the ...
  
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• What Is the Doctrine of Election? | Crossway Articles
  Aug 23, 2022 — Four times in Ephesians 1:3–6 he links the blessings of God's sovereign, electing grace to the Son: we are blessed “in...
  
  

 

[Cameron143]

Sure about this statement? Do all Christians, in everything, give thanks? Nope. God's word will come to pass, but God's will? Is sin part of God's will for your life? Do you sin?

1 Thessalonians 5:
15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

There is both a prescriptive and a descriptive will of God. You can look it up the difference. It will be helpful for you.

 

[homwardbound]

Sure about this statement? Do all Christians, in everything, give thanks? Nope. God's word will come to pass, but God's will? Is sin part of God's will for your life? Do you sin?

1 Thessalonians 5:
15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

I see that is why God in Son came here to earth to stop the mess we as people are in under Law, that no one can ever be perfect ever of the self ever
So we can now choose to believe God willingly and not harm others at all ever again on purpose ever in our born again Spirit, Born new by God in risen Son to us, those that believe otherwise those that do not are still lost in their sins and are not learning new. Thank you to Father and Son as Won (One)

 

[John146]

You can look it up the difference.

Look it up where? Man's explanation? I'd rather stick with God's word. It will define itself.

 

[homwardbound]

Look it up where? Man's explanation? I'd rather stick with God's word. It will define itself.

For we will know the truth that sets us free, each person will or will not if one chooses to not believe, thanks John 146. Me, I am in process still learning and not learning then see to see what I thought was not good for me then one day saw oh yeah it is. God is good all the time as good is God all the time, for us all to see it
Either believe it or not

 

[GWH]

Man's will is subject his nature. And God is sovereign, so His will always comes to pass. And every prayer that is prayed acknowledging this is answered exactly as it is prayed...not my will, but Thine be done. Every other prayer is the prayer's desire. James tells us that this is praying for things to consume according to our desires. Why would God answer such prayers?
Further, the way to obtain the desires of our hearts is by delighting ourselves in the Lord. There is already a prescribed means to receive our desires. Hence, prayer is another means of God's will being done on earth as it is heaven.

It is helpful to note with regard to God's will that there are two meanings: God's intentional will provides morally competent humans the ability/free will to resist His intentional will or plan of salvation within limits, which is called His permissive will.

 

[Cameron143]

Look it up where? Man's explanation? I'd rather stick with God's word. It will define itself.

Well, you haven't found it in the word of God yet. Perhaps a human teacher would prove helpful. Just make sure they give biblical passages to support their claims.

 

[homwardbound]

It is helpful to note with regard to God's will that there are two meanings: God's intentional will provides morally competent humans the ability/free will to resist His intentional will or plan of salvation within limits, which is called His permissive will.

Sorry yet it seems to me you are straining out Gnats and those that join in with you are prone to swallow camels
Asking you directly
Do you believe God sent Son for you personally, have you received the new life offered you from God to you in risen Son Jesus for you?
Please answer only
Yes or no
Me, my answer Yes I believe God and trust God, exercising this done work of love and mercy for us all

 

[Cameron143]

It is helpful to note with regard to God's will that there are two meanings: God's intentional will provides morally competent humans the ability/free will to resist His intentional will or plan of salvation within limits, which is called His permissive will.

Actually thanks. I should have said permissive and prescriptive wills.

 

[John146]

Well, you haven't found it in the word of God yet.

Because there's no such thing. It's a man made theology. When the bible goes against a certain man made theology, man in turn, makes up things to fit his theology.

 

[John146]

There has to be two different types of "God's wills" in the bible, because if not, the bible goes against the RCC Calvin theology.

 

[jacko]

I see 1+ billion Muslims, generations and generations bowing and to worship to their false profit... yet he does open the heart of a select few Muslim who believe. Why did they get so blessed and not others, I don't know.

For the rational mind is not possible to comprehend Jesus as God if you are born into Islam after 20 generations,
living in Saudi Arabia, the law, the culture, the food, tradition, country and rituals, the family lineage and the curse for 20 generations. Only by the hand of God can he make it happen.

 

[Cameron143]

Because there's no such thing. It's a man made theology. When the bible goes against a certain man made theology, man in turn, makes up things to fit his theology.

It's hardly made up. There is scripture to support the position. You may not agree with the position, but it isn't man-made.

 

[homwardbound]

Because there's no such thing. It's a man made theology. When the bible goes against a certain man made theology, man in turn, makes up things to fit his theology.

That might be why the first chosen added 316 commands to those Ten, never seeing it was Love 1 Cor 13:4-7 all along love GOD first above everything else
that what was meant and to this day still is meant, to me at least
i see the first four commands as God first, the last six follow in unison, seeing Jeremiah 29:11 God only wants what is good for us. kept telling the first chosen this. They continued to refuse and not see it. Made up their own ways and sinned hurting others in that process
however God does just love us all y’all. Today grace leaves us with a reprobate mindset that needs new life, yet will not get installed, until one sincerely asks God, not self or anyone else in my honest thought as no more me in charge willingly

 

[rogerg]

Yet God has called us all to choose to believe God in risen Son or not
Any scriptures on that you might have, love the call you are in and do, thank you

Belief is not a matter of choice; it is a gift, one not bestowed upon everyone.

(partial list)

[Phl 1:29 KJV]
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

[Act 13:48 KJV]
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

[Jhn 6:29 KJV]
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

[Jhn 10:26-27 KJV]
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

[Gal 5:22 KJV]
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

[1Pe 1:4-5 KJV]
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

[1Pe 1:20-21 KJV]
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

[2Th 2:13 KJV]
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

 

[GWH]

Sorry yet it seems to me you are straining out Gnats and those that join in with you are prone to swallow camels
Asking you directly
Do you believe God sent Son for you personally, have you received the new life offered you from God to you in risen Son Jesus for you?
Please answer only
Yes or no
Me, my answer Yes I believe God and trust God, exercising this done work of love and mercy for us all

Yes!

 

[GWH]

There has to be two different types of "God's wills" in the bible, because if not, the bible goes against the RCC Calvin theology.

LOL!

 

[GWH]

I see 1+ billion Muslims, generations and generations bowing and to worship to their false profit... yet he does open the heart of a select few Muslim who believe. Why did they get so blessed and not others, I don't know.

For the rational mind is not possible to comprehend Jesus as God if you are born into Islam after 20 generations,
living in Saudi Arabia, the law, the culture, the food, tradition, country and rituals, the family lineage and the curse for 20 generations. Only by the hand of God can he make it happen.

To rogerg also,

It is because they chose to believe and be blessed. Despite having a fallen/selfish nature, we must maintain that God provides people the ability to be saved or else He is responsible for their cursedness. However, Jesus per Isaiah indicates that souls can become so hardened or callous that only a vestige of moral free will remains before they pass on to judgment (MT 13:14-15).

 

[cv5]

To rogerg also,

It is because they chose to believe and be blessed. Despite having a fallen/selfish nature, we must maintain that God provides people the ability to be saved or else He is responsible for their cursedness. However, Jesus per Isaiah indicates that souls can become so hardened or callous that only a vestige of moral free will remains before they pass on to judgment (MT 13:14-15).

Agree.

 

[Cameron143]

To rogerg also,

It is because they chose to believe and be blessed. Despite having a fallen/selfish nature, we must maintain that God provides people the ability to be saved or else He is responsible for their cursedness. However, Jesus per Isaiah indicates that souls can become so hardened or callous that only a vestige of moral free will remains before they pass on to judgment (MT 13:14-15).

Romans 1 makes clear that man is responsible and accountable. This doesn't negate what Roger posted.