Gift of Tongues

[Eli1]

@jacko what are you using to compile these answers, ChatGpt?
I'm asking because i find the format interesting, since i work with computers, but i never use ChatGpt.

 

[jacko]

@jacko what are you using to compile these answers, ChatGpt?
I'm asking because i find the format interesting, since i work with computers, but i never use ChatGpt.

My brain… haha JK… chatGPT

 

[GaryDavidMorris]

My silent prayer works just fine for me.
No need to say a word.
My God already knows what I need.
I trust Him to do what is best and lead me to do the right thing.

I won't comment on your relationship with God or His ability to hear silent prayers but have you ever asked the question "What does biblical prayer, that of the Jews, and First Century Christians look like?". What does the Bible say about it? It seems to present audible prayer as the norm. Even the instructions by Jesus to go into the inner room of the house to avoid the motive of 'to be seen by men' suggest audible prayers. Many have reported transformation in their personal relationship with God when they started praying out loud.

 

[Musicmaster]

Have you read what you just wrote? Basically you are saying you won’t believe any signs any wonders until you see it with your own eyes, sound familiar?

You apparently did not read what I wrote. Jesus said that those signs will follow those who believe. Are you able to do those things? If not, then why? THAT was my question. Do you not believe, for if you cannot do those things as Jesus promised would follow those who believe, then you must not believe? Isn't that reasonable?

Is that not sound reasoning from the scriptures? Is there some sort of allegorical twist that is applied to what Jesus said in order to wiggle out from under the burden of implications from what Jesus said?

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

He can’t believe because he hasn’t seen it with his own eyes

I don't need to see miracles that were promised under the Kingdom Gospel for those who were under that Gospel. We are under the Gospel of Grace, not the Kingdom Gospel. Failure to rightly divide the word of truth is what causes confusions in the Armenian system of beliefs.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Here is Hebrews 11:1 in the original Koine Greek, along with a transliteration and English translation:

Greek Text

Hebrews 11:1
“Ἔστιν δὲ πίστις ἐλπιζομένων ὑπόστασις, πραγμάτων ἔλεγχος οὐ βλεπομένων.”

Transliteration

“Estin de pistis elpizomenōn hypostasis, pragmatōn elegchos ou blepomenōn.”

English Translation

“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” (NKJV)

Word-by-Word Breakdown

1. Ἔστιν (Estin): “Now is” or “is” — linking faith to the definitions that follow.
2. πίστις (pistis): “Faith” — a firm belief or trust, especially in God.
3. ἐλπιζομένων (elpizomenōn): “Things hoped for” — the things believers anticipate or trust in, based on God’s promises.
4. ὑπόστασις (hypostasis): “Substance” or “assurance” — often translated as the foundation, essence, or realization of what is hoped for.
5. πραγμάτων (pragmatōn): “Things” — referring to real matters or realities.
6. ἔλεγχος (elegchos): “Evidence” or “conviction” — the inner assurance or proof of these unseen realities.
7. οὐ βλεπομένων (ou blepomenōn): “Not seen” — highlighting the invisibility of these matters, which are beyond physical perception.

Summary

This verse emphasizes that faith is a solid assurance (hypostasis) of what believers hope for and an inner conviction (elegchos) of the unseen spiritual realities. Faith, therefore, provides both the foundation and proof that make hope a reality, despite its invisibility. This passage encourages believers to trust in God’s promises as though they are as real as the things they can see.

And yet the single-Gospel gang continue to tout the idea that it's just one continuous Gospel throughout, believing in a works-based salvation, which is contrary to "unmerited favor," otherwise known as grace.

MM

 

[Publican]

There’s a physical limit to how long you can pray before your human brain runs out of things to pray for typically about one hour. I’ve heard that when you pray in the spirit, you can pray for multiple hours easily. Prayer warriors like the late Pastor Cho Would pray for five hours a day.

I've never prayed for five hours. I would have to get out an Atlas or a phone book. But that does not mean I wouldn't like to go there.
If there's anything Satan attacks me with relentlessly these days its my prayer life, and from literally every angle. If you can lift me up in this regard, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Publican]

Your opinion that these verses mean asking out loud is just your opinion.
I stand by my post.
I know that God hears my silent prayers.

He does indeed hear silent prayer. Your every thought is known to Him, so of course he hears your unspoken prayers. But does that mean we should avoid audible prayer? I'm not sure if that's what you're saying.

 

[Publican]

I will say this about speaking in tongues.
What is taking place today and called speaking in tongues is not what happened in Jerusalem as recorded in Acts.

Not generally no. However, I have heard many reports of the gift of tongues serving this purpose through the years.

 

[DRobinson]

I won't comment on your relationship with God or His ability to hear silent prayers but have you ever asked the question "What does biblical prayer, that of the Jews, and First Century Christians look like?". What does the Bible say about it? It seems to present audible prayer as the norm. Even the instructions by Jesus to go into the inner room of the house to avoid the motive of 'to be seen by men' suggest audible prayers. Many have reported transformation in their personal relationship with God when they started praying out loud.

My post was in response to some suggesting that to pray aloud in some words of sounds that are not understood was a superior way to pray, that God will bless in a special way.
I do not need to please the flesh with my prayers. I do not need to pray or speak in "tongues" for God to hear my prayers or answer my prayers.
I often pray out loud when asked to do so. But I do not always speak clearly because of my deafness so I prefer not to do so.
God does not need a vocal prayer or a prayer in "tongues" or a special "prayer language" hear or to answer.
He already knows what is on our heart and what we need.

 

[Lynx]

And yet the single-Gospel gang continue to tout the idea that it's just one continuous Gospel throughout, believing in a works-based salvation, which is contrary to "unmerited favor," otherwise known as grace.

MM

Where does saved by Grace versus works come in? Speaking in other tongues is a sign given by God, not something I learn how to do.

You may think it doesn't happen anymore, but you will never convince somebody who has experienced it.

But assuming I am wrong... What of it? Why do you argue so hard about this? If you argue with everybody in the world who is wrong, you will never get anywhere and you will die of terminal frustration. There are lots of people who are wrong, they are determined to stay wrong and nothing you do will ever convince them to be right.

 

[Lynx]

Here is Hebrews 11:1 in the original Koine Greek, along with a transliteration and English translation:

Greek Text

Hebrews 11:1
“Ἔστιν δὲ πίστις ἐλπιζομένων ὑπόστασις, πραγμάτων ἔλεγχος οὐ βλεπομένων.”

Transliteration

“Estin de pistis elpizomenōn hypostasis, pragmatōn elegchos ou blepomenōn.”

English Translation

“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” (NKJV)

Word-by-Word Breakdown

1. Ἔστιν (Estin): “Now is” or “is” — linking faith to the definitions that follow.
2. πίστις (pistis): “Faith” — a firm belief or trust, especially in God.
3. ἐλπιζομένων (elpizomenōn): “Things hoped for” — the things believers anticipate or trust in, based on God’s promises.
4. ὑπόστασις (hypostasis): “Substance” or “assurance” — often translated as the foundation, essence, or realization of what is hoped for.
5. πραγμάτων (pragmatōn): “Things” — referring to real matters or realities.
6. ἔλεγχος (elegchos): “Evidence” or “conviction” — the inner assurance or proof of these unseen realities.
7. οὐ βλεπομένων (ou blepomenōn): “Not seen” — highlighting the invisibility of these matters, which are beyond physical perception.

Summary

This verse emphasizes that faith is a solid assurance (hypostasis) of what believers hope for and an inner conviction (elegchos) of the unseen spiritual realities. Faith, therefore, provides both the foundation and proof that make hope a reality, despite its invisibility. This passage encourages believers to trust in God’s promises as though they are as real as the things they can see.

Dude. Relax.

I know that speaking in other tongues is a thing, but he is determined to not believe it. You're never going to argue him into believing it. Just let him be wrong and get on with it.

 

[Publican]

I won't comment on your relationship with God or His ability to hear silent prayers but have you ever asked the question "What does biblical prayer, that of the Jews, and First Century Christians look like?". What does the Bible say about it? It seems to present audible prayer as the norm. Even the instructions by Jesus to go into the inner room of the house to avoid the motive of 'to be seen by men' suggest audible prayers. Many have reported transformation in their personal relationship with God when they started praying out loud.

Considering that I have yet to find a single prayer recorded in scripture that was not audible, I wholeheartedly agree.
This is purely anecdotal and I'm not pushing any particular doctrine, but Yah instructed me as a new believer to open my mouth to Him. I had not fought God on a single issue since my conversion up to that time. But this insistence from the Spirit went on for a couple of weeks before I gave in. I don't know how many words I got out of my mouth before the Spirit fell upon me, it wasn't many.

Father taught me to pray out loud, and let me be clear, He taught me. I'm not trying to suggest that He does the same work in everyone. But if there is anyone out there who doesn't pray audibly, do it. I personally experienced God in a way that day that I have not experienced Him before or sense. I won't tell you what happened because you would not believe me. Cry unto God with your while heart, read the Psalms, David will show you how its done.

 

[jacko]

Dude. Relax.

I know that speaking in other tongues is a thing, but he is determined to not believe it. You're never going to argue him into believing it. Just let him be wrong and get on with it.

Ok you are right… I won’t let his unbelief drag me down.

 

[Lynx]

Considering that I have yet to find a single prayer recorded in scripture that was not audible, I wholeheartedly agree.

Reckon who would have known about, much less recorded, the inaudible prayers?

Mind you, I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm not saying you are right either.

I'm just saying you could have picked a better illustration for your point.

 

[GWH]

Haters gonna hate bruh..

You can flex and start your own thread anytime, buddy. There are people here with a heart to learn, and share.

And apparently there are some who hate or do not have a heart to learn what Scripture says about speaking in tongues.

 

[Publican]

Reckon who would have known about, much less recorded, the inaudible prayers?

Mind you, I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm not saying you are right either.

I'm just saying you could have picked a better illustration for your point.

I'll try harder to make you happy in the future.

 

[jacko]

And apparently there are some who hate or do not have a heart to learn what Scripture says about speaking in tongues.

Respectfully, and what are your qualifications to “teach”? So that I may learn.

 

[Publican]

Respectfully, and what are your qualifications to “teach”? So that I may learn.

There's that hate word again. If the sun ever shines on these folks they will simply melt away, snowflakes.

 

[Lynx]

I'll try harder to make you happy in the future.

The point still stands. Who could hear, much less record, the inaudible prayers?