The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.
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ah OK so now back to the actual thread topic. which is not kjv.
the Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek.
is it worth knowing anything about Hebrew and Greek or is everything that can be known about the God from His Word clear of om a translation into this pagan language we call English?
is study and seeking out knowledge and nuances a waste of time?
because the OP says the scripture is simple and you don't need any education to understand the very words of omniscient God.
the Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek.
is it worth knowing anything about Hebrew and Greek or is everything that can be known about the God from His Word clear of om a translation into this pagan language we call English?
is study and seeking out knowledge and nuances a waste of time?
because the OP says the scripture is simple and you don't need any education to understand the very words of omniscient God.
these threads pop up regularly, and i have over the years begun to suspect that when they do, it indicates that the person who took the time to start them, had had a conversation with someone.
and in that conversation, i suspect that the other person thought the OP was either wrong about something or missing something important, and tried to explain it by pointing out a nuance of the original language, or a Jewish custom or way of argument, or an historical fact, or something like that which would change the way the OP ought to understand some scripture or doctrine.
and i imagine the OP was not as educated in these things as the person whom they were talking to, and they didn't like being contradicted, or didn't like the feeling that this person was acting like they had something to teach them, and the conversation became adversarial in some way.
and i suspect the OP came away from it thinking, this other person is just a know-it-all, and that you really don't need to know-it-all to understand Christianity.
so they came to the BDF and aired their feelings in the form of a "you don't need a bunch of education or study to understand the Bible" thread.
that's my suspicion.
and i always have this objection, that, while the essential truth of gospel can be understood by anyone, and God can give anyone understanding through the Spirit, it is absolute foolish madness to go around discouraging people from education, from study, from devotion to seeking out all the nuances and details of the knowledge of God in the finest points of the scriptures. it's damaging. it's stupid.
so like i said earlier: the Bible is not simple. you can spend your entire life trying to pull all the meaning out of a single paragraph of it. it's the word of God. Please have respect for that! don't ever imagine your tiny little human understanding has been able to wrap itself around even a single word of it - - God's thoughts are infinitely higher than ours, we will never run out of meaning no matter how deeply we dig into it.
don't let's be satisfied with a superficial understanding of our Husband.
and in that conversation, i suspect that the other person thought the OP was either wrong about something or missing something important, and tried to explain it by pointing out a nuance of the original language, or a Jewish custom or way of argument, or an historical fact, or something like that which would change the way the OP ought to understand some scripture or doctrine.
and i imagine the OP was not as educated in these things as the person whom they were talking to, and they didn't like being contradicted, or didn't like the feeling that this person was acting like they had something to teach them, and the conversation became adversarial in some way.
and i suspect the OP came away from it thinking, this other person is just a know-it-all, and that you really don't need to know-it-all to understand Christianity.
so they came to the BDF and aired their feelings in the form of a "you don't need a bunch of education or study to understand the Bible" thread.
that's my suspicion.
and i always have this objection, that, while the essential truth of gospel can be understood by anyone, and God can give anyone understanding through the Spirit, it is absolute foolish madness to go around discouraging people from education, from study, from devotion to seeking out all the nuances and details of the knowledge of God in the finest points of the scriptures. it's damaging. it's stupid.
so like i said earlier: the Bible is not simple. you can spend your entire life trying to pull all the meaning out of a single paragraph of it. it's the word of God. Please have respect for that! don't ever imagine your tiny little human understanding has been able to wrap itself around even a single word of it - - God's thoughts are infinitely higher than ours, we will never run out of meaning no matter how deeply we dig into it.
don't let's be satisfied with a superficial understanding of our Husband.
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I don't see a reason to learn a foreign language to be required to know the true God of the Bible and Jesus His only begotten Son.
I used to know pastors who could not carry a conversation to lead a Greek speaker to the Lord, try to lead us to think we were utterly dependent upon them to understand the Scriptures.
I used to know pastors who could not carry a conversation to lead a Greek speaker to the Lord, try to lead us to think we were utterly dependent upon them to understand the Scriptures.
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How disappointing. It reminds me of a day my mom and I were visiting another church we kind of liked. They had a guest speaker, but before they could get started they had to take care of some in-house business. The main pastor publicly reprimanded and demoted one of the young, assistant pastors because of his prideful behavior. It was clear this was hard for the main pastor who was a compassionate man. Then the guest speaker spoke. He was an elder who was so incredibly arrogant that he openly asserted that the congregants needed him to interpret the Bible for them. What I saw was God showing where the young man would have ended up if he was not corrected so.
And while it might be useful to study some Greek or Hebrew, it is certainly not needed since Holy Spirit is our teacher and he teaches in deeper ways than the head.
And while it might be useful to study some Greek or Hebrew, it is certainly not needed since Holy Spirit is our teacher and he teaches in deeper ways than the head.
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A few simple Bible study Rules!
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"Simplicity In Christ!"
Amen.
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A few simple Bible study Rules!
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"Simplicity In Christ!"
Amen.
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the question posed by the OP is whether education and devotion to study is worthless or worthwhile, not whether translations into pagan English exist or not.
that's not quite how he phrased it, but ultimately what it's about is should you bother reading the Bible more than once?
after you have the gist of it is there nothing in it worth spending time on?
i mean why do we even have a BDF?
we all wasting our time here?
this God stuff is a piece of cake, let's go help little old ladies across the street instead of hashing out theology?
that's not quite how he phrased it, but ultimately what it's about is should you bother reading the Bible more than once?
after you have the gist of it is there nothing in it worth spending time on?
i mean why do we even have a BDF?
we all wasting our time here?
this God stuff is a piece of cake, let's go help little old ladies across the street instead of hashing out theology?
He is our Husband and we are his betrothed bride.
how much about your Husband do you want to know?
if His native language isn't yours, would you spend any time trying to learn it?
would you pore over His love letters to you, meditating on every word? or read them once and stick em in the attic?
how do we love Him?
if we count the ways do we run out of numbers or stop before we pull off our shoes because we are def. gonna need our toes?
how much about your Husband do you want to know?
if His native language isn't yours, would you spend any time trying to learn it?
would you pore over His love letters to you, meditating on every word? or read them once and stick em in the attic?
how do we love Him?
if we count the ways do we run out of numbers or stop before we pull off our shoes because we are def. gonna need our toes?
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Nope. Two points. First, the KJV is not the inerrant word of God. Second, the Bible is God's word, which is spiritual and can only be spiritually understood (1 Corinthians 2:14).
If all we required was intellect, only the intelligent would understand God's word and we would not need the Spirit of revelation. No, you don't need a degree or a doctorate to know God's word. You do need the Holy Spirit to reveal it to you.
If all we required was intellect, only the intelligent would understand God's word and we would not need the Spirit of revelation. No, you don't need a degree or a doctorate to know God's word. You do need the Holy Spirit to reveal it to you.
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posthuman,
I dont think that what he meant. we have so many good translations of the bible. some translators even who nearly starved themselves to death to translate with the spirit.
Much learning doesn't mean a person will ever understand it only those with the spirit can. Harriet tubman never had a education but what did they say of her? they said when she spoke it sounded like someone was talking from the bible.
I dont think that what he meant. we have so many good translations of the bible. some translators even who nearly starved themselves to death to translate with the spirit.
Much learning doesn't mean a person will ever understand it only those with the spirit can. Harriet tubman never had a education but what did they say of her? they said when she spoke it sounded like someone was talking from the bible.
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