There will be no Rapture!!!

[posthuman]

Adam had no life to impart, lost his righteousness, and was incapable of saving his wife. Not only didn't he die for her, he was incapable of dying for her.

Moses is a type, but was not able to lead them into the promised land.
Joshua is a type, but did not give them rest.
The offerings are a type, but the blood of the sacrifices could not remove sin.
David is a type, but could not build the house of the LORD.
John is a type, but his baptism did not save.

Adam doesn't need to be Christ in order to foreshadow what Christ would do.

 

[Cameron143]

Moses is a type, but was not able to lead them into the promised land.
Joshua is a type, but did not give them rest.
The offerings are a type, but the blood of the sacrifices could not remove sin.
David is a type, but could not build the house of the LORD.
John is a type, but his baptism did not save.

Adam doesn't need to be Christ in order to foreshadow what Christ would do.

All true. But the content of being like Christ is offered in Romans 5. The only likeness there is representation of the human race.

 

[posthuman]

His only chance to save her was not to eat. He wasn't thinking of her, but himself.

would that have saved her?
do the lost receive eternal life by our faith?

in the end tho both of them were saved, by their confession and faith.

 

[posthuman]

All true. But the content of being like Christ is offered in Romans 5. The only likeness there is representation of the human race.

the trespass and the gift are both compared and contrasted - and both involved the death of the man so that the bride would not die alone.

what i'm saying is Adam knowingly giving up his life to be with his bride, prefigures Christ laying down His life to be with us.
for Adam it was sin and ineffective, but for Jesus it is righteousness and gives us life - just like if you or i touched a leper, we would be unclean, but when Jesus touches one, the leper becomes clean. we can have the same compassion in our hearts, but we don't have the power in ourselves to heal the world - only if it is God dwelling in us does that kind of thing take place by our hands.

He is human, like us, but He is also God, unlike us. Adam couldn't do the God parts - the fig leaves had to come off, and they had to be clothed with robes God Himself made

maybe Adam thought he could - but i would think that's deception too, so i doubt it. i think more likely he knew it wouldn't save her: he did it anyway, knowing it was wrong.

 

[Cameron143]

would that have saved her?
do the lost receive eternal life by our faith?

in the end tho both of them were saved, by their confession and faith.

Agree. But he was representative of mankind. Had he remained faithful, he would have inherited eternal life for all mankind.

 

[posthuman]

He is human, like us, but He is also God, unlike us. Adam couldn't do the God parts - the fig leaves had to come off, and they had to be clothed with robes God Himself made

maybe Adam thought he could - but i would think that's deception too, so i doubt it. i think more likely he knew it wouldn't save her: he did it anyway, knowing it was wrong.

i don't think they expected the fig leaves to work. i think it was an expression of their shame, like wearing sackcloth and ashes. imo the tree of dying is a fig.

 

[posthuman]

Agree. But he was representative of mankind. Had he remained faithful, he would have inherited eternal life for all mankind.

perhaps without her

Christ also wept for the lost

 

[cv5]

i don't think they expected the fig leaves to work. i think it was an expression of their shame, like wearing sackcloth and ashes. imo the tree of dying is a fig.

Agree. They were in effect GRAVECLOTHES.
A symbol of mourning and regret.

 

[cv5]

maybe Adam thought he could

I doubt it. I think Adam pretty much always knew what he was doing. Every step carefully considered and calculated.

 

[cv5]

How? Christ died for our sake, taking our sin upon Himself, to impart life and righteousness to us. Adam had no life to impart, lost his righteousness, and was incapable of saving his wife. Not only didn't he die for her, he was incapable of dying for her.
And this makes a mockery of the context of Romans 5. The only similarity there between Adam and Christ is that they both represented the human race.

If anything, he could have refused sin, achieved eternal life, and hoped to save her this way.

Theoretically, the death of Adam MAY have been sufficient propitiation for the fall of the Woman (we will never know).
But it would have been a fixed 1:1 ratio in any case.

What we DO have now is an INFINITE LIFE that is an exceedingly overabundant propitiation for a still finite but innumerable number of sinners who have chosen/been chosen for salvation in His Name.

Because of course God always "overdoes it" when His sanctification and glory is at stake.

 

[Cameron143]

the trespass and the gift are both compared and contrasted - and both involved the death of the man so that the bride would not die alone.

what i'm saying is Adam knowingly giving up his life to be with his bride, prefigures Christ laying down His life to be with us.
for Adam it was sin and ineffective, but for Jesus it is righteousness and gives us life - just like if you or i touched a leper, we would be unclean, but when Jesus touches one, the leper becomes clean. we can have the same compassion in our hearts, but we don't have the power in ourselves to heal the world - only if it is God dwelling in us does that kind of thing take place by our hands.

He is human, like us, but He is also God, unlike us. Adam couldn't do the God parts - the fig leaves had to come off, and they had to be clothed with robes God Himself made

Again, all correct, but the fig leaves came after sin, thus, after his ability to save was past. And Adam, like Christ, was able to save. Had he not sinned, eternal life would have come through him. But I disagree that his motivation was selfless in partaking of the fruit.

 

[Cameron143]

Theoretically, the death of Adam MAY have been sufficient propitiation for the fall of the Woman (we will never know).
But it would have been a fixed 1:1 ratio in any case.

What we DO have now is an INFINITE LIFE that is an exceedingly overabundant propitiation for a still finite but innumerable number of sinners who have chosen/been chosen for salvation in His Name.

Because of course God always "overdoes it" when His sanctification and glory is at stake.

Adam did not possess eternal life before sinning. As God's representative for the human race, he could only attain it by not sinning. He couldn't become sin for her.

 

[cv5]

But I disagree that his motivation was selfless in partaking of the fruit.

Any how do you explain that position? What exactly did Adam hope to gain by intentionally sinning, knowing full well the implications?

 

[cv5]

Adam did not possess eternal life before sinning.

Ahhhh.....no.

God created Adam to enjoy eternity with Him. There is no doubt that Adam was created eternally alive because he was "unioned" with The Life. No sin, no breach, no interruption. Perfect fellowship, perfect life as God defines life.

 

[cv5]

Here you go @Cameron143 .....everything that you do not know of the account of Genesis 3.
Its only about 20 hours or so. Piece of cake.

Adam And Eve... What really happened?

1st Adam vs. The 2nd Adam. They're more alike than you might think

Adam, Eve & Satan. Do you really think you know this story?

Deep Teaching On Adam & Eve. This is the stuff you're not supposed to hear

Did Adam Blame Eve? It's not what you may have thought

Eve Is Dying Right In Front of Adam. If you were Adam, what would you do?

Satan, Why Did You Pick A Snake? Would Adam have been fooled by a snake?

Why A Tree Of Death? What caused the Tree of Death to be put in the garden of Eden?

Genesis 2 and 3... NOT Seeker Sensitive! That's why most churches don't teach this

 

[Cameron143]

i don't think they expected the fig leaves to work. i think it was an expression of their shame, like wearing sackcloth and ashes. imo the tree of dying is a fig.

Again correct. But at that point Adam had no means to save her. Obedience would have been a faithful act on his part; not disobedience.
And Christ didn't die so we wouldn't die alone. He died so we might live.

 

[Cameron143]

Here you go @Cameron143 .....everything that you do not know of the account of Genesis 3.
Its only about 20 hours or so. Piece of cake.

Adam And Eve... What really happened?

1st Adam vs. The 2nd Adam. They're more alike than you might think

Adam, Eve & Satan. Do you really think you know this story?

Deep Teaching On Adam & Eve. This is the stuff you're not supposed to hear

Did Adam Blame Eve? It's not what you may have thought

Eve Is Dying Right In Front of Adam. If you were Adam, what would you do?

Satan, Why Did You Pick A Snake? Would Adam have been fooled by a snake?

Why A Tree Of Death? What caused the Tree of Death to be put in the garden of Eden?

Genesis 2 and 3... NOT Seeker Sensitive! That's why most churches don't teach this

All probably great. But missing my point. Adam couldn't disobey and die to save Eve. He could only be faithful to save her.

 

[Cameron143]

Ahhhh.....no.

God created Adam to enjoy eternity with Him. There is no doubt that Adam was created eternally alive because he was "unioned" with The Life. No sin, no breach, no interruption. Perfect fellowship, perfect life as God defines life.

Disagree. Like Christ, he would have had to fulfill all righteousness to have eternal life.

 

[Cameron143]

Any how do you explain that position? What exactly did Adam hope to gain by intentionally sinning, knowing full well the implications?

Because he wasn't deceived. He knew eating led to death.

 

[Cameron143]

perhaps without her

Christ also wept for the lost

She was part of the human race he was representing.