MARK OF.....

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Yeah. I think people imagine just that: sitting on thrones dispensing judgement. No. Not happening. We become the radiance of our Father's glory.

Once had a vision of the 24 elders seated around the throne.They threw their crowns on the floor,and fell on their faces before the throne, and giving praise to the Lord.
All because I was trying to plead my case with worldly logic,and God refuted them in his mercy.
I say it was a vison but it was like I was there.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

The mark on the forehead is 666.Those who are of the Spirit,(7) water,(7) and the blood(7) have the name of the Lord written on their forehead.It's symbolic.They have their mind on the things of God and have his Spirit.
The middle number that represents the pineal gland is the Spirit,and the 2 other numbers beside the middle 6 represents their mind.

The brain is halved into 2.They're 2 living stone tablets with the Word written on them.The serpent changed the laws at the fall of man.
This is the Ark/holy place in our head that is symbolically New Jerusalem.When you repented it came down from the heavens from the Mountain top of Zion and into your heart.God came down and dwells with us.The Ark of the testimony came down from heaven.



The serpent is just doing what God Does and tries to be like him.Like I said earlier Things start with a thought and it goes down to your heart.No gematria needed to calculate the number of the beast.That's carnal thinking.Wisdom is given unto babes so even a child can have understanding if God revealed it to them.

 

[rrcn]

There is a reason this subject causes unlimited speculation. It would be reasonable to assume that correct identification of the mark of the beast is necessary to avoid receiving the mark of the beast. The secret rapture theory encourages endless speculation which will keep a lot of people busy until the day of salvation has passed.
[Jer 8:20 KJV] 20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.
[Rev 22:11 KJV] 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

The reason is that the secret rapture theory is not taught by the Bible. After the Protestant reformers received the Bible in their own language and could compare it's teachings to those of the Roman Catholic Church (a church that from it's early days combined pagan religion with Christianity in order to appeal to both pagans and Christians) they arrived at the conclusion that the Catholic Church is the antichrist (not a man, though the Pope is the visible head and a representative of Satan). As the reformers studied the word of God *** and correctly identified the church as a whore the backlash caused support to fade for the false teachings and as Christians turned away from error the RCC launched what is known as the counter reformation. The Jesuit order was tasked with derailing the Reformation and a Jesuit scholar named Francisco Ribera (1537–1591) was given the work of camouflaging the anti-christ which he did by the false narrative which eventually led to futurism. The linked article about Ribera covers this.,and lists the basic tenents:
Then, he proposed, the Antichrist, a single individual, would:

• Persecute and blaspheme the saints of God
• Rebuild the temple in Jerusalem
• Abolish the Christian religion
• Deny Jesus Christ
• Destroy Rome
• Be received by the Jews
• Pretend to be God
• Kill the two witnesses of God
• Conquer the world.

To accomplish this, Ribera understood the 1260 days and 42 months and 3½ times of prophecy literally, rejecting an interpretation as 1260 years.

***
Are the two witnesses the old and new testament?
[Heb 4:12 KJV] 12 For the word of God [is] quick, an
d powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
[Eph 6:17 KJV] 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
[Rev 1:16 KJV] 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

There is a reason this subject causes unlimited speculation. It would be reasonable to assume that correct identification of the mark of the beast is necessary to avoid receiving the mark of the beast. The secret rapture theory encourages endless speculation which will keep a lot of people busy until the day of salvation has passed.
[Jer 8:20 KJV] 20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.
[Rev 22:11 KJV] 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

The reason is that the secret rapture theory is not taught by the Bible. After the Protestant reformers received the Bible in their own language and could compare it's teachings to those of the Roman Catholic Church (a church that from it's early days combined pagan religion with Christianity in order to appeal to both pagans and Christians) they arrived at the conclusion that the Catholic Church is the antichrist (not a man, though the Pope is the visible head and a representative of Satan). As the reformers studied the word of God *** and correctly identified the church as a whore the backlash caused support to fade for the false teachings and as Christians turned away from error the RCC launched what is known as the counter reformation. The Jesuit order was tasked with derailing the Reformation and a Jesuit scholar named Francisco Ribera (1537–1591) was given the work of camouflaging the anti-christ which he did by the false narrative which eventually led to futurism. The linked article about Ribera covers this.,and lists the basic tenents:
Then, he proposed, the Antichrist, a single individual, would:

• Persecute and blaspheme the saints of God
• Rebuild the temple in Jerusalem
• Abolish the Christian religion
• Deny Jesus Christ
• Destroy Rome
• Be received by the Jews
• Pretend to be God
• Kill the two witnesses of God
• Conquer the world.

To accomplish this, Ribera understood the 1260 days and 42 months and 3½ times of prophecy literally, rejecting an interpretation as 1260 years.

***
Are the two witnesses the old and new testament?
[Heb 4:12 KJV] 12 For the word of God [is] quick, an
d powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
[Eph 6:17 KJV] 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
[Rev 1:16 KJV] 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength.

They are the Two Witnesses of Revelation.The water and the blood.
The Ark/New Jerusalem on top of Mount Zion comes down from heaven when you receive the Holy Spirit.
In this second picture of a silhouette you can see how God has created us as a living Ark of the Covenant,and the Holy Spirit sits on the mercy seat.
When we testify of the Word you can see another Ark in our chest like in the picture of our lungs.On the mercy seat is the heart/Holy Spirit,and our lung are the Two witnesses/cherubim.
And just like how our brains are liken to 2 living stone tablets with the Word written on them, so are our lungs are liken to 2 living stone tablets with the Word again written on them.
He created us in this way because he makes a way for us through his Word to be his witnesses.
Not only that, our lungs are Gods store houses.With every breath and exhale it's like God refilling his store houses when they empty.There's never a spiritual famine.He created us to be his witnesses, and to give him praise and glory,yet there's some people here who would rather argue and jokingly mock others.
They're wasting their breath.and the more you think on that the more you realize just how bad it really is whenever you take action on thoughts that are not of God.
To put it bluntly that is your offering unto the Lord.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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They are the Two Witnesses of Revelation.The water and the blood.
The Ark/New Jerusalem on top of Mount Zion comes down from heaven when you receive the Holy Spirit.
In this second picture of a silhouette you can see how God has created us as a living Ark of the Covenant,and the Holy Spirit sits on the mercy seat.
When we testify of the Word you can see another Ark in our chest like in the picture of our lungs.On the mercy seat is the heart/Holy Spirit,and our lung are the Two witnesses/cherubim.
And just like how our brains are liken to 2 living stone tablets with the Word written on them, so are our lungs are liken to 2 living stone tablets with the Word again written on them.
He created us in this way because he makes a way for us through his Word to be his witnesses.
Not only that, our lungs are Gods store houses.With every breath and exhale it's like God refilling his store houses when they empty.There's never a spiritual famine.He created us to be his witnesses, and to give him praise and glory,yet there's some people here who would rather argue and jokingly mock others.
They're wasting their breath.and the more you think on that the more you realize just how bad it really is whenever you take action on thoughts that are not of God.
To put it bluntly that is your offering unto the Lord.

the two witnesses

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John is pointing directly to another prophecy recalling this prophetic vision

“and said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: and two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:2-4, 11, 14‬

So when is the only time that lord of the earth is revealed with two annointed one’s standing with him ?

“And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, and was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. ( the lord of the earth )

And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him.

Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah .”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭17:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Here’s another thing to correlate Elijah oreached for three and an half years and had the power to shut the heavens to cause no rain . And Moses ministry gave him the power over water to turn it to blood and to cause plague. The two witnesses

“These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: ( Elijah’s ministration )

and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, ( Moses ministration) as often as they will.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“….and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

same length of time of Elijah’s ministry.


Moses represents the law which witnesses of Christ

elijah represents the prophets whicch witness of Christ

“; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭

the Old Testament law wot eases of Christ and the ot prophets witness of Christ

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

the two witnesses

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John is pointing directly to another prophecy recalling this prophetic vision

“and said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: and two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:2-4, 11, 14‬

So when is the only time that lord of the earth is revealed with two annointed one’s standing with him ?

“And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, and was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. ( the lord of the earth )

And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him.

Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah .”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭17:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Here’s another thing to correlate Elijah oreached for three and an half years and had the power to shut the heavens to cause no rain . And Moses ministry gave him the power over water to turn it to blood and to cause plague. The two witnesses

“These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: ( Elijah’s ministration )

and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, ( Moses ministration) as often as they will.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“….and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

same length of time of Elijah’s ministry.


Moses represents the law which witnesses of Christ

elijah represents the prophets whicch witness of Christ

“; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭

the Old Testament law wot eases of Christ and the ot prophets witness of Christ

Two Olive trees=the tree of good and evil, and the tree of Life.
Tree of good and evil=water.
Tree of Life=blood.
Together they're as one,and are the fulfillment of the Law.
Moses does represent the Law.He gave the commandments and also held up the brazen serpent.There we can see both water and blood.

The two golden lampstands is the church,but God always reserves his remnant like Elijah.And he does represent the prophets who warn the people to turn from their worldly ways,repent and turn back to God.

Zechariah 4:6
Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

Spirit,Water,Blood.

I could say that the Two Witnesses of Revelation are the 144,000, and that would be truth because they're first fruits and testify of the Two Witnesses during the tribulation,who would have the Spirit of Moses and Elijah.
Scripture always gives clues to what the remnant do, and how the water and the blood are associated with them.

Zechariah 3:9-10
For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

Zechariah 4:7-9
Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.


Cloak of Elijah=Spirit of the Lord.
Cloak on Elijah=Water.
Cloak on Elisha=blood.

Torn temple veil=water and blood,the fulfilling of the Law.
You need the water and blood to enter the Holy Place and have a personal relationship with God.
There is the Spirit,Water,and the Blood again.

There's so many examples.One of the biggest ones people don't know is who stood before the Lord when he was on the cross.It was the Two thieves.One represented the water,who was on the left side of Jesus on his own cross,and the other on the right side on his own cross represented the blood ,the one who mocked Jesus.
Which one got to go with him into the Kingdom of God?
At the death of Jesus you have the Spirit when Jesus gave up the Holy Ghost,the water,the thief who asked Jesus to remember him,and the blood.The one who mocked Jesus.
Just like on the Ark of the Covenant of the OT when the Two cherubim are 'standing' before the Lord of the earth.
The crown of gold around about the Ark of the OT represents the Church and the followers of Jesus stood there around about at his cross.Both Jews and gentiles,which included Romans,Pharisees and the Sadducees.

Luke 13:34
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

24 ribs for the 24 elders who represent the Church are gathered around the Holy Spirit/heart under the wings of the two cherubim just like this picture on the Living Ark of the Covenant.



Exodus 25:11
“And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about.”

 

[Inquisitor]

After the Protestant reformers received the Bible in their own language and could compare it's teachings to those of the Roman Catholic Church (a church that from it's early days combined pagan religion with Christianity in order to appeal to both pagans and Christians) they arrived at the conclusion that the Catholic Church is the antichrist (not a man, though the Pope is the visible head and a representative of Satan). As the reformers studied the word of God *** and correctly identified the church as a whore

The Reformers repeatedly identified the Pope as the antichrist.

Luther himself stated it repeatedly.

"This teaching [of the supremacy of the pope] shows forcefully that the Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ, because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power, which, nevertheless, is nothing, and is neither ordained nor commanded by God".

John Knox wrote on the Pope:

"Yea, to speak it in plain words; lest that we submit ourselves to Satan, thinking that we submit ourselves to Jesus Christ, for, as for your Roman kirk [church], as it is now corrupted, and the authority thereof, whereon stands the hope of your victory, I no more doubt but that it is the synagogue of Satan, and the head thereof, called the pope, to be that man of sin, of whom the apostle speaks."

The Reformers always identified the Pope as the antichrist.

 

[SomeDisciple]

Ezekiel‬ ‭16:1-2, 13-16, 28, 30, 32-33, 35-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Jerusalem’s destruction was about to happen by rome.

Ezekiel's prophecy was fulfilled hundreds of years before the Roman Empire even existed.

So when in the first century were Christians prevented from conducting business?

 

[rrcn]

Ezekiel's prophecy was fulfilled hundreds of years before the Roman Empire even existed.

So when in the first century were Christians prevented from conducting business?

Another problem with the Catholic church’s lie which has deceived so many is in crediting the anti-christ with building a temple and the covenant associated with his actions. Satan has never made a covenant as far as I can tell foot the Bible.
As we discuss the old covenant and the new covenant we can see that the Bible lifts Jesus up as the mediator of the covenant, not a sinister fictional creation of man.
[Heb 8:10 KJV] 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[Heb 10:16, 29 KJV] 16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; ... 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[Heb 12:24 KJV] 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.
[Heb 13:20 KJV] 20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

 

[SomeDisciple]

Another problem with the Catholic church’s lie which has deceived so many is in crediting the anti-christ with building a temple and the covenant associated with his actions. Satan has never made a covenant as far as I can tell foot the Bible.
As we discuss the old covenant and the new covenant we can see that the Bible lifts Jesus up as the mediator of the covenant, not a sinister fictional creation of man.
[Heb 8:10 KJV] 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[Heb 10:16, 29 KJV] 16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; ... 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[Heb 12:24 KJV] 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.
[Heb 13:20 KJV] 20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

I'm used to getting filibusters when I ask Pil a question; it's just usually from him. Do you have an actual answer to that question? Because, believe it or not; I've actually spent some time reading the scriptures; so, just quoting them without conveying what you think they mean is extremely ineffective.

 

[rrcn]

I'm used to getting filibusters when I ask Pil a question; it's just usually from him. Do you have an actual answer to that question? Because, believe it or not; I've actually spent some time reading the scriptures; so, just quoting them without conveying what you think they mean is extremely ineffective.

Sorry about that, what I was saying is the Jesus is the mediator of the covenant, not the anti-Christ. There will not be another temple on earth, Jesus is in the original temple now mediating his blood in our behalf.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There will not be another temple on earth

How do you know this so confidently when the Bible says that there will be TWO future temples on earth. Yes Jesus in in the heavenly temple, but that's another topic.

 

[rrcn]

How do you know this so confidently when the Bible says that there will be TWO future temples on earth. Yes Jesus in in the heavenly temple, but that's another topic.

What are the references, and what are their purpose?

 

[Nehemiah6]

What are the references, and what are their purpose?

The references are already posted in other threads.

As to their purposes, the third temple will be set up by Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who believe they are serving God by resuming temple worship. All plans are already in place. It remains to be see how and when construction will begin, regardless of the Muslim Dome of the Rock. And the Antichrist will hijack this temple and set up the Abomination of Desolation in the Holy Place. Daniel speaks of this.

The fourth temple is the one described in detail by Ezekiel. I have posted a separate thread on this. God has not revealed how the fourth temple will be reconciled with the finished work of Christ, but that it will become a reality cannot be doubted, and it must be reconciled since there are no contradictions on conflicts in the Word of God.

These temples do not conflict with the fact that the Body of Christ is also a metaphorical and spiritual temple, with the Holy Spirit resident within. And that the heavenly temple which is in Heaven at present has Christ as our Great High Priest in Heaven. This is the true temple, and Solomon's temple was patterned after this (David received the blueprint).

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Two Olive trees=the tree of good and evil, and the tree of Life.
Tree of good and evil=water.
Tree of Life=blood.
Together they're as one,and are the fulfillment of the Law.
Moses does represent the Law.He gave the commandments and also held up the brazen serpent.There we can see both water and blood.

The two golden lampstands is the church,but God always reserves his remnant like Elijah.And he does represent the prophets who warn the people to turn from their worldly ways,repent and turn back to God.

Zechariah 4:6
Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

Spirit,Water,Blood.

I could say that the Two Witnesses of Revelation are the 144,000, and that would be truth because they're first fruits and testify of the Two Witnesses during the tribulation,who would have the Spirit of Moses and Elijah.
Scripture always gives clues to what the remnant do, and how the water and the blood are associated with them.

Zechariah 3:9-10
For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

Zechariah 4:7-9
Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.


Cloak of Elijah=Spirit of the Lord.
Cloak on Elijah=Water.
Cloak on Elisha=blood.

Torn temple veil=water and blood,the fulfilling of the Law.
You need the water and blood to enter the Holy Place and have a personal relationship with God.
There is the Spirit,Water,and the Blood again.

There's so many examples.One of the biggest ones people don't know is who stood before the Lord when he was on the cross.It was the Two thieves.One represented the water,who was on the left side of Jesus on his own cross,and the other on the right side on his own cross represented the blood ,the one who mocked Jesus.
Which one got to go with him into the Kingdom of God?
At the death of Jesus you have the Spirit when Jesus gave up the Holy Ghost,the water,the thief who asked Jesus to remember him,and the blood.The one who mocked Jesus.
Just like on the Ark of the Covenant of the OT when the Two cherubim are 'standing' before the Lord of the earth.
The crown of gold around about the Ark of the OT represents the Church and the followers of Jesus stood there around about at his cross.Both Jews and gentiles,which included Romans,Pharisees and the Sadducees.

Luke 13:34
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

24 ribs for the 24 elders who represent the Church are gathered around the Holy Spirit/heart under the wings of the two cherubim just like this picture on the Living Ark of the Covenant.

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Exodus 25:11
“And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about.”

Two Olive trees=“


“Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my Lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:11, 13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“and was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭17:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭

“Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.”
‭‭James‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

try to look at it within the context of the Bible without putting anything else in there it leads to a very clear conclusion

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Ezekiel's prophecy was fulfilled hundreds of years before the Roman Empire even existed.

So when in the first century were Christians prevented from conducting business?

“Ezekiel's prophecy was fulfilled hundreds of years before the Roman Empire even existed.”

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The end of the prophets

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when it began to be fulfilled

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee.

The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“all the prophets and the law prophesied ( ot prophecy )

until John.”( nt fulfillment )

“For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Either jesus is wrong or you are

 

[SomeDisciple]

For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Either jesus is wrong or you are

Bro, the days of vengeance had to be fulfilled, because they were a part of what was written- because to fulfill ALL, every part has to be fulfilled. The days of vengeance are part of that, but not the whole thing. Like if you are going to take a shower, you have to wash your elbows if you whole body is going to be clean; but that doesn't mean you are only going to be washing your elbows.

Why did you skip Ezek 16:29? Because that tells you who Jerusalem's "lover" was that destroyed Jerusalem in that prophecy. Ezekiel lived in the first temple period and into the Babylonian captivity. The days of vengeance in Luke refers to later prophets.

 

[Magenta]

1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Bro, the days of vengeance had to be fulfilled,

“Bro, the days of vengeance had to be fulfilled, because they were a part of what was written”

This is about what happened after Jesus came not before it’s about the same things he speaks of in Matthew 24-25 mark 13 ( I think ) and many other places .

“Son of man, set thy face toward the mountains of Israel, and prophesy against them, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys; Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places. And your altars shall be desolate, and your images shall be broken: and I will cast down your slain men before your idols. And I will lay the dead carcases of the children of Israel before their idols; and I will scatter your bones round about your altars. In all your dwellingplaces the cities shall be laid waste, and the high places shall be desolate; that your altars may be laid waste and made desolate, and your idols may be broken and cease, and your images may be cut down, and your works may be abolished. And the slain shall fall in the midst of you, and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Yet will I leave a remnant, that ye may have some that shall escape the sword among the nations, when ye shall be scattered through the countries. And they that escape of you shall remember me among the nations whither they shall be carried captives, because I am broken with their whorish heart, which hath departed from me, and with their eyes, which go a whoring after their idols: and they shall lothe themselves for the evils which they have committed in all their abominations. And they shall know that I am the LORD, and that I have not said in vain that I would do this evil unto them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭6:2-10‬ ‭

think it through and then read what Jesus was telling his generetion was about to happen to them in judea and Jerusalem and the surrounding areas …..then realize rome carried it all out even through the Jewish dispersia which left them desolate

I don’t know brother it’s not worth arguing I believe we’re in a New Testament and the old is why Israel has been desolate for the past two thousand years but be he church is still somewhat alive in some

I believe we should be looking into what corresponds to Jesus second coming to gather those in Christ the church

and not corresponding to what he told Israel’s saints in the covenant before Jesus came forth. Because I believe they are two separate testimonies promising two seperate things and one is fulfilled a curse because of sin the other a blessing because of faith

But brother I’m just a guy in a forum with thoughts and opinions I don’t speak from authority or thinking it can only be what I think . It’s okay if we don’t agree with me anyways.





The law and prophets had been written promising the kingdom of God would come to israel . Before Jesus and John came forth that the last of the prophets promised with a new covenant

But they rejected it when he came like he said they would and crucified thier king the messiah just like he said they would . And because of this he destroyed them and left the land desolate just like he said he would and he scattered the remnant that believed into the world carrying the gospel , just like he said he would in the prophets and the law itself where the curses all begin for then who broke his covenant

thats my point the old testement , is a prophecy of the new and Jerusalems desolation was fulfilled in 70 ad and the people were scattered into all nations exactly as the law and then prophets said they would be.

thats all been fulfilled Jesus generetion fulfilled it just like he said would happen

that’s why I keep quoting the things from scripture like this

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then to save length here skip down to Jesus explaining this part

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:32‬ ‭

now what happened the next fourty years or so after he said that to judea and Jerusalem ?

it’s better to learn from the Bible than to

now …..this is what Jesus said to Jerusalem when he was among them before they crucified him

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:37-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He explained really in several places tbat this was going to happen in tbier generation because they had rejected him look at this parable for example

“And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country. And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard. And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty. And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled. And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some. Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son. But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be our's. And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.

What shall therefore the Lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭12:1-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That tells us about israel and the Old Testament and how the rejection of messiah was the final straw when they rejected Jesus and the gospel God sent the invitation out to everyone else and destroyed thier inheritance offering the better one in the gospel to all through Christ who they rejected now anyone can be saved

“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. ( Go into all the world and preach the gospel to everyone whoever believes shall be saved )

So those servants went out into the highways, ( the anpostles annd servants of the early church ) and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”( everyone that believes the gospel sent forth from jesrualem that day herring salvstion and the hope of all Men )
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:2-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the Old Testament prophecies are bout israel and thier specific esrthly covenant with God it could have been a blessing or a curse they chose the curse and desolation when they rejected the gospel which was thier rightful inheritance

the new testement prophecy is yet to be fulfilled like this concerning of jesus second coming as each testament concludes with the coming of the messiah

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

arhats what we look forward to now not Israel’s esrthly promises in the Old Testament that’s been fulfilled is my point they rejected the kingdom and we’re destroyed but can still individually repent and accept Jesus no matter who we are flesh wise

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Two Olive trees=“


“Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my Lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:11, 13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“and was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭17:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭

“Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.”
‭‭James‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

try to look at it within the context of the Bible without putting anything else in there it leads to a very clear conclusion

I can't help but see these things in scripture.The one where Jesus is on the cross is so amazing,and probably one of the best ones God has revealed to me,and it reveals just how much in control he really is.I 'see' the Ark of the Covenant at the cross.The cherubim,the crowns of gold round about.The offering,and the Spirit of the Lord.

Why is it that it's like our bodies have a story to tell?Because it's within our DNA as well! so of course we can 'see' it make up our whole being.Man,what a revelation!Glory to God!
I'm really happy to share these things with the Church.Our DNA is liken to a scroll within a clay pot.