Will there be a fourth temple in Jerusalem?

vassal · Aug 16, 2024

Many think they are the spiritual church but in truth, few are chosen. The chosen are the ones who do the father's will, who obey him and Love him above all else.

I assure you the New Jerusalem is not a metaphor and will happen as God ordained it the time of his choosing. Then God will be with us forever.

TheDivineWatermark · Aug 16, 2024

I've been repeatedly pointing out this very verse ^ ... and yet you say,

Pilgrimshope said:

Now, one of the problems I'm detecting (as to why you aren't seeming to grasp parts of what I'm pointing out), is that you seem to be doing the "STAB-and-GRAB" method of interpreting a passage.

By that I mean:

--you are EQUATING two DISTINCT verses [/subject], v.22 and v.32, BY merely insisting that TWO DISTINCT GREEK WORDS are the same (they aren't!--Not in the Greek!), SO THEREFORE (you reason) they MUST cover the PRECISE EXACT SAME MATTERS (they don't!);

--the Greek word in your verse 22 (where the English says "be FULFILLED") is the Greek word "plēroō - G4137";

--whereas the Greek word in verse 32, IS NOT THAT SAME WORD... Instead is the Greek word "ginomai - G1096" - "shall have taken place"

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Just because two phrases seem to have the SAME wording, does not automatically mean they covering the same point.

In verse 22 (with its "SO THAT") is not making the point that the "70ad events" are the SUM TOTAL of ALL OT PROPHECIES.

It's just saying those (the 70ad events) cannot be LEFT OUT (other wise "all" WON'T be fulfilled--some will have been left out... which we know is NOT THE CASE.) Nowhere is it making the point that the "70ad events" CONCLUDE all OT PROPHECIES (as though the OT prophecies "END" with THEM).[/QUOTE]

Pilgrimshope · Aug 16, 2024

Lifted_by_the_word said:

“All-of Israel will be saved=All flesh will be saved=All those who have a heart of flesh will be saved.”

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Hear another parable:

There was a certain householder, ( God ) which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen,( israel ) and went into a far country:

and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, ( the early prophets like Elijah the tishbite ) that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. ( Israel’s treatment of the prophets he sent them )

Again, he sent other servants more than the firstthe latter prophets proclaiming the messiah kingdom was coming ) and they did unto them likewise.

But last of all he sent unto them his son, ( Jesus the messiah which the ot promises would come ) saying, They will reverence my son.

But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. ( Israel rejected thier king and savior and had him crucified )

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,( God ) which made a marriage for his son,( messiah ) and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: ( early prophets sent to israel ) and they would not come.

Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, ( latter prophets sent to isreel ) Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:2-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:37-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If they reject the messiah they are done for like anyone else. If they accept the gospel they’ll be saved like everyone else that land is cursed heaven is the promised land

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13-14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The promised land isn’t on this earth

“In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

People still looking for this earth are missing Al the new testements revelations of the old we need to look up beyond what our eyes can see to what the lord promises show us

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Pilgrimshope · Aug 16, 2024

vassal said:

“And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But he spake of the temple of his body.”
‭‭John‬ ‭2:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We worship God as he dwells within us like he did for a pattern in tbe Old Testament man made temple before he came to dwell In man’s hearts and be with them

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

at he o my reason ever for a temple was a holy place for Gods spirit to dwell with the people among them . It was useful only before he came into his temple the body of Christ the one he made and not man now those in Christ are his temple there’s never going to be a time when his spirit leaves us and goes back to dwell hidden in a building he’s in the open now with us now we don’t have to go to a temple anymore to meet with God

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and need to go to a temple he’s in it alrwady and we’re there too

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19‬ ‭

Pilgrimshope · Aug 16, 2024

TheDivineWatermark said:

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“Now, one of the problems I'm detecting (as to why you aren't seeming to grasp parts of what I'm pointing out), is that you seem to be doing the "STAB-and-GRAB" method of interpreting a passage.”

Its that you put so many parenthesis and you is set so many of your own tboughts into what each word or letter means that I cant understand even what your point is friend I’ve been clear I can’t I derrrsnd the way you are presenting whatever your points are. I can’t even understand what you are trying to say or what your point is

My presentation isn’t very good either not at all , but at least it’s reletively coherent and I do t need to re interpret what each word means to ale anything fit.

Look friend thisnis wby I dont understand

“In verse 22 (with its "SO THAT") is not making the point that the "70ad events" are the SUM TOTAL of ALL OT PROPHECIES.”

That’s jibberish in my head I don’t know what your talking about or what you are trying to even say

Again look

“It's just saying those (the 70ad events) cannot be LEFT OUT (other wise "all" WON'T be fulfilled--some will have been left out... which we know is NOT THE CASE.) Nowhere is it making the point that the "70ad events" CONCLUDE all OT PROPHECIES (as though the OT prophecies "END" with THEM)”

i have absolutely no clue and I challenge really anyone to make sense of what you’ve posted here lol I’m sorry man I don’t get what you are saying . It’s not that I’m not trying it’s that to me it’s jibberish and means nothing .

Im not trying to insult you or waste my time you are speaking some language I can’t comprehend so I’m going to move on. Non insult intended maybe it’s just me but I can’t understand anything you write maybe ten percent but not enough to keep going with this

Pilgrimshope · Aug 16, 2024

Lifted_by_the_word said:

look what Jesus said when he came offering salvation to israel first this is the breath of his mouth the spirit

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth;

the flesh profiteth nothing:

the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

little bIt later in that same prophesy

“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, and shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live,

and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭37:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

look what Jesus said before he died

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

look what happened when Jesus was raised up

“And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:51-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13, 16‬ ‭

That’s the promised land when it says they’re “ they all died in faith …and confessed they were strangers on earth but believed the promises “ it’s talking about men like Abraham Noah abel Moses women like Sarai or rahab people of faith. They died never having received the promises on earth but they believed there was something better waiting tbat God told them about in the heavens so when they died they died in faith looking for something better than this broken world

cv5 · Aug 17, 2024

Aaron56 said:

Nope. That is a massive failure to understand God's future plans and intentions. The millennial Temple is an aspect of the redeeming of the Nation Israel, which itself is an aspect of THE FULFILLMENT OF THE NEW COVENANT on their part!

What is God's intended purpose for all of these OT passage regarding the restoration Of the NATION Israel and THE Temple?

SALVATION of the gentiles in the Millenium. God is REDEEMING ISRAEL as His elect ambassadors to fulfill His will to be witnesses and preach and serve as priests, RECOMMISSIONING THEM to the task that they formerly abrogated.

And this RECOMMISSIONING task is first noted (and recommences) in the DOTL, the tribulation, where the 144,000 sealed Israelites selected from the twelve tribes and the two witnesses are called into service. These two witnesses are undoubtedly Elijah and Moses.

So all of a sudden we see 144,000 from the twelve tribes, and Moses and Elijah, super-duper Jews all of them, preaching to an unsaved world, with vast numbers of gentiles being saved.

Now.....overlay this scenario onto all of the OT prophecies pertaining to THE Temple and the role of Israel in the millennium.
Get the picture?

So yes, of course there will be a brick and mortar millennial Temple.

BTW....this "departing from the Temple" thru the East gate and over the Mount of Olives happened TWICE. But will never happen again after the SC. And people think there will be no millennial temple? A foolish error, as the pattern is obvious and intentional.

Mat 24:1
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Eze 11:23
And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.

Eze 44:2
Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut

cv5 · Aug 17, 2024

OK all of you a-mills out there, we need an explanation for all of this.
Who are the subjects of these prophecies? When will this occur?

Hos 2:16
And it hath come to pass, in that day, An affirmation of Jehovah, Thou dost call Me -- My husband, And dost not call Me any more -- My lord.

Hos 2:17
For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name.

Hos 2:18
And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.

Hos 2:19
And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.

Hos 2:20
I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.

Hos 2:21
And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth;

cv5 · Aug 17, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

It says that all that was written was being fulfilled it’s talking about the prophets.

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. ( like Daniel said would come )

Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. ( the nt prophecy wasn’t yet written the ot was about to be fulfilled )

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-22, 32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that same generation Jerusalems temple was destroyed and the city also burned up and destroyed and the people were scattered into the nations by rome.

after that there’s never a new testement word stating a rebuilding of an earthly Jerusalem all the nt talks about is the heavenly Jerusalem where Christ ( son of man ) is in David’s throne at the right hand of God and inheritance of that kingdom

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:2‬ ‭

Did this happen in 70AD? I think not.

Dan 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

cv5 · Aug 17, 2024

cv5 said:

Dan 12:12
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Well that is an inconvenient verse.....for the a-mills that is.
A perfect fit for us who are wise though.

cv5 · Aug 17, 2024

cv5 said:

Nope. That is a massive failure to understand God's future plans and intentions. The millennial Temple is an aspect of the redeeming of the Nation Israel, which itself is an aspect of THE FULFILLMENT OF THE NEW COVENANT on their part!

What is God's intended purpose for all of these OT passage regarding the restoration Of the NATION Israel and THE Temple?

SALVATION of the gentiles in the Millenium. God is REDEEMING ISRAEL as His elect ambassadors to fulfill His will to be witnesses and preach and serve as priests, RECOMMISSIONING THEM to the task that they formerly abrogated.

And this RECOMMISSIONING task is first noted (and recommences) in the DOTL, the tribulation, where the 144,000 sealed Israelites selected from the twelve tribes and the two witnesses are called into service. These two witnesses are undoubtedly Elijah and Moses.

So all of a sudden we see 144,000 from the twelve tribes, and Moses and Elijah, super-duper Jews all of them, preaching to an unsaved world, with vast numbers of gentiles being saved.

Now.....overlay this scenario onto all of the OT prophecies pertaining to THE Temple and the role of Israel in the millennium.
Get the picture?

So yes, of course there will be a brick and mortar millennial Temple.

BTW....this "departing from the Temple" thru the East gate and over the Mount of Olives happened TWICE. But will never happen again after the SC. And people think there will be no millennial temple? A foolish error, as the pattern is obvious and intentional.

Mat 24:1
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Eze 11:23
And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.

Eze 44:2
Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut

Just in case anyone missed the point:

Eze 11 - physical Temple
Matt 24 - physical Temple

Drumroll.....
Eze 44 - physical Temple

That sequence alone is enough to prove the millennial Temple as a future fact.

Nehemiah6 · Aug 17, 2024

cv5 said:

Correct. No Christian should doubt this.
Something else to keep in mind is that the city of Jerusalem is practically equidistant from the North (9,290 km) and South (9,978 km) poles. So almost at the center of the earth.

DavyP · Aug 18, 2024

That Dan.11 was already fulfilled is just a theory by some, and does not align with Jesus quoting from the Book of Daniel, nor about some false idea that Dan.11:31 AOD event is a different one than the one in Dan.12.

This event in Daniel 12 is the same "abomination of desolation" event being described in Daniel 11:31 by the "vile person"...

Dan 12:9-12
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

It is very clear that Daniel is being told about the same AOD event covered in both the Daniel 8 chapter, and the Daniel 9:27 verse, and the Daniel 11 chapter, that it is an event assigned for the 'end' of this world just prior to Christ's future return. So Jesus' warning about the "abomination of desolation" in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 when He was giving the main SIGNS of the end, is about all... of those AOD Daniel examples.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
KJV

The 1290 day period will be 30 days after that latter 1260 half of the Dan.9:27 symbolic final 70th "one week" meant for the end of this world. The 1335 day period is an additional 45 days after the 1290 day period. Those latter 2 periods are for the cleansing of the future Millennial sanctuary, and then those who remained faithful in Christ being blessed.

HOW then, should the Daniel 11:31 "abomination that maketh desolate" be interpreted? Antiochus Epiphanes only served as an 'ensample' back in 165 B.C. for the FINAL abomination idol to be setup by the coming false-Messiah in Jerusalem at the end of this world. Anyone who admits there will be an AOD event for the END of this world is already admitting that Antiochus IV only served as a 'pattern' for the FINAL AOD event at the end of this world. The Dan.12 example even reveals emphatically that it is speaking of the AOD event being at the end of this world.

So brethren, don't allow men's doctrines that want us to deny the Daniel 11:31 example with saying it was already history, for those men only do that to keep you from comparing those events the "vile person" does with what the final Antichrist will do at the end of this world. And those men who are in confusion about this, have even gone so far with trying to hide the 'dual' fulfillment of the "vile person" prophecy that they try to claim the events of the final 70th week of Dan.9:27 were fulfilled by Christ Himself, which is a lie.

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