The Coup
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You are really mistaken brother.
1.) In the history of the US, there was only one instance where a president didn't automatically get their party's nomination. They don't do the primary for the incumbent president in all other instances.
2.) We agree, not every person in a party is behind every party's candidate... Especially when literally NO ONE voted for that party's candidate. This may be a news flash for you, but a president stepping down after assuring everyone he is mentally competent only to drop out and automatically nominating his VP and skipping the primary altogether has never happened before.
3.) Independent voters couldn't even vote for or against Kamala. The delegates are voting in Kamala. She has the required amount to get the official nomination. How can anyone run against her when she has the require number of delegates that have PLEDGED for her already? Another news flash for you... Delegates that were appointed to vote for Biden at the DNC will be using them to vote for Kamala even though they weren't intended for her. That isn't democracy.
4.) Trump campaigned for the "Reform Party" in 2000 and dropped out before any state primaries. He didn't get a single electoral vote because he never lasted long enough. This was also 24 years ago, not 4 years ago and not for the same party. How can you compare getting Reform Party votes to getting the GOP votes 24 years later? Since 2000, Trump won the 2016 and 2024 nomination (and was the auto nominee in 2020). Kamala... not so much.
Wow! You worked that out all on your own. That's impressive. Now, explain to me how that's some sort of sin or illegal activity in your understanding of things. Yes, she may be the only one that has said that and she may have agreed to be the only one who said it. I don't know anything about her motive in speaking the words that she spoke in the conversation that you're referring to, but...
Is that a sin? Did she break some law? Or is it just not sittin' right in yer gullet? Please get to the issue. How is Mrs. Pelosi having a position that others don't have; being willing to tell people who ask, that she thinks she was a big part in his decision to step down, a sin or some unlawful act or some nefarious plot? I mean really, I don't even think the leading candidates of the GOP would proclaim so loudly on a national platform that they had been involved in some nefarious plot. Why is it a nefarious plot that Mrs. Pelosi spoke with the president and apparently convinced him to step down? Why?
What is it about this whole scenario of Pres. Biden deciding to step out of the race, no matter who had his ear to convince him to do so, that you find untenable. Honestly, your complaint in this matter sounds like someone who just has to be mad about something.!!!!! "Gosh darnit!!! I'll find something to be mad about!!!" That's what it's sounding like to me.
You're all upset that Mrs. Pelosi talked Pres. Biden into not continuing his campaign. You think that's somehow so unfair that heads should roll!! Why????? Were you going to vote for him? Are you a closet Democrat and you think your rules are how the democratic party should operate? Has anyone even broken a rule or regulation or law? What are you screamin about???? Did you not get your bottle this morning?
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God bless and vote wisely, if you can,
Ted
Hey @Smoke
Right, but that doesn't mean that there aren't some democrats who want someone else on the ticket. That's all I'm saying that there is generally always a desire, especially among a group so large, that everyone is going to be GOP, that some won't be in agreement with the person on the ticket. That's why you may even find a few ballots cast by democrats for the GOP guy. You get into the millions of people and you've got a hard job of trying to pigeonhole that many folks into just one choice in their minds.
And for the record, yes I know and have known that it's an extremely rare occurrence that the incumbent doesn't get a free ticket through the party's nomination process. Yes, I know that. But your second point makes it clear that you know what I said is true.
Don't know why this came up. You seem to be stuck on the DNC coming up here in a week. When I spoke of the people who are moving to independent so that they can vote for whoever they choose, I assumed you knew that would only be in the general election. My apologie. Yes, at the DNC only democrats will be casting votes. What that has to do with the questions on the table, escapes me.
How switching a party's delegate votes from one to another, in the circumstance that one drops out is exactly the way the democratic process is supposed to work. And that new person still has to have the favor of the people when they actually get to the DNC. I mean if the Kentucky delegation doesn't want to have their former Biden votes given to Kamala, then at the DNC they can vote however they'd like. That's the democratic process that the DNC uses. I can't speak for the GOP, but I'm guessing they won't even let you in the door if you don't swear an allegiance to their frontrunner.
Yes, and Kamala dropped out in December. A full 10 months before the general election. And she didn't get any electoral votes for the same reason.
Funny how that works, huh?
God bless and vote wisely
Ted
He there @ThereRoseaLamb
You apparently didn't read the question. It was on 'electoral votes'. Can you look up how many 'electoral' votes she got in that year and report back when you've got it?
God bless and vote wisely,
Ted
They were denied an opportunity to elect a different candidate under a false pretense that Biden was mentally healthy. Sounds pretty nefarious when he drops out after it's too late.... Well, not too late for a virtual primary, but who can be bothered by that, right? Why you keep making a point I am not arguing "escapes me".
Sorry, wasn't sure you were aware because you made a statement that there are always people in the party of the incumbent president to demand a primary nomination. I don't think it was ever on this level... Could you cite a time when there were as many people and politicians asking for a primary in the incumbent president's party (aside from the one instance I mentioned)?
I figured my point went over your head that it's pretty nefarious to bypass the primary process so they could install Kamala who would not stance a chance in a normal primary.
You're correct that this is the normal process. However, never was this process created to bypass the party's nomination process to an incumbent president as to install their VP as the nominee without a single vote. I think you understand the rarity and significance of utilizing this process in this way. Had Biden died yesterday, no one would have a leg to stand on if the Democrats use the current protocol in using his delegates on the next Democrat nominee. My point is that, under false pretenses, they allowed Biden to take the party's nominee and not do a primary only to strongarm him to not run and instead install Kamala. You keep pretending not to understand.
My point was that she didn't receive any delegates BECAUSE she quit before any state did their primary (just as Trump did for the Reformed party in 2000). The difference is, Trump won in 2016 and 2024 and was the automatic nominee in 2020... This is recent and for the GOP party... not the Reform Party. You're comparing apples and tuna fish.
Number of primary votes for President Trump: 17,015,756
Number of primary votes for Kamala Harris: 0
Zero Democrats were behind the Democrat contender in this election.
Zero? I don't think so. I hear that Obama is behind her campaign. So that is at least 1 democrat.
Well, in about a week, you'll get to find out how many democratic votes VP Harris. The DNC hasn't been held yet.
I gotta say, I'm not sure why you guys seem to be coming off as so upset about the situation. I mean clearly, according to your assessments she hasn't a chance of winning. What? Do you want the Democratic party to put out a stronger contender? Why? Have I gone through some space continuum that now the GOP wants to make sure that the democratic party runs a better candidate than this loser that you all seem to agree that VP Harris is? Don't you want the democratic party to put up a loser, no good candidate that's worse than yours? Isn't that how you see VP Harris?
God bless,
Ted
God bless,
Ted
And after it is over there will still be zero primary election votes. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you. She was selected, not elected.
You really don't see the irony? The party that claims Trump is a threat to democracy cares nothing about democratic principles.
In fact it is anti-Democracy and pro-tyranny. Free speech is the only way to preserve democracy, and that is why it is guaranteed in the 1st Amendment. So free speech is being shut down by the Deep State, Big Government, Big Tech, and the media. Censorship has been coordinated by all. Now tyranny is already established in the UK. And the EU planned to shut down Musk's interview with Trump.
Democracy is rule by the people. They are very concerned about protecting "their democracy". They are not interested in the rule by deplorables.
If we're gonna impale the Democrats for not holding a primary after Biden dropped out, we have to do the same thing for the Trump campaign who killed several state primaries in 2019 to keep his competitors off the ballot. People keep forgetting this.
Hi @NightTwister
Honestly, I don't see the issue. But obviously it's bothersome to you. Sorry, man.
God bless,
Ted
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Didn’t Republicans try to impeach Biden and remove him from office?
And you upset because someone made a request?